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vulcancolak
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posted June 15, 2012 05:30 PM |
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Campaings on HARD difficulty ?
FOR A LONG TIME i'm searching videos, faqs and tips about 2 of 1 homm 5 mission and i don't think anyone can complete this mission on hard difficulty
 inferno campaign chapter 3
Anyone truly believes can finish this quest on hard difficulty ?
important note: i'm hardcore player, i'm NOT using save and load system during the missions
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Elvin
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posted June 18, 2012 06:07 PM |
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I've finished all H5 campaigns on hard, it is manageable. However your build or which spells you get can greatly affect how easy or hard a mission is. Is this the mission with Gilraen or the one where sylvan units desert you every turn? The one with Gilraen was very challenging, especially on version 1.0. I'd suggest that you patch your game if you already haven't. What's your build/spells?
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vulcancolak
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posted June 19, 2012 05:37 AM |
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i'm not using spells because agrael attack 11 and spell damage is 4. My most powerful spell doesn't deal more damage than normal attack.
Patch is 1.6 (latest)
let's talk about my strategy
i'm already used all strategies (don't capture the 1st'town about the week of sylvan units, create units from main base, rushing to 2nd towns, staying defense, etc) and i can't find anything.
Gilraen's army is absolutely powerful than my army and only problem is not Gilraen, other heroes are powerful too with their armies. Other problem is my first town. My support heroes CANNOT gather forces because each week too much pixies, blade dancers and master hunters causes problems for the my support heroes that means agrael is the only one who can hire and return defense but this means my 1st elven town is completely defensless. When i try to attack top left town, phoenix army kills 25-50% of my army.
i'm already used EVERY UNIT but gilraen's army is too much powerful.
i don't think anyone can complete this mission on hard difficulty (no save and load during the mission) i was searched walktrought videos on hard difficulty but i can't find.
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Elvin
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posted June 21, 2012 11:15 AM |
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Destructive might not help but dark always does. Mark of the damned and maybe excruciating strike would help, it sure helped me take down Gilraen. I do not recall the map outline but I wasn't relying much on secondaries, it was Agrael moving around killing heroes and gaining experience. Logistics felt pretty essential there. If memory serves I avoided getting close to Gilraen until I defeated the other heroes and captured the other towns but it has been a long time.
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JoonasTo
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posted June 21, 2012 03:49 PM |
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I replayed the map on heroic, you don't need another town besides the first sylvan. Secondary heroes are also rather useless.
Just get the Green Dragons on Week 3 and upgrade them before Girael comes.
As he comes to attack in the end of Week 4, use a secondary hero to attract him back so he doesn't reach you on that week but only on Week 5 Day 1 so you can buy yourself a week's population.
He will attack you in your town and you should be able to beat him. I beat him using teleport assault on the Smaragd Dragons(teleport in, strike, fly back) but any means, especially dark should suffice.
This is what my build looked like.
You would be better off with defense/dark/enlightenment instead of warmachines but due to having luck and getting light, I got into the loop for fire resistance so...
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Elvin
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posted June 21, 2012 07:09 PM |
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Hehe the classic AI luring exploit 
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JoonasTo
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posted June 21, 2012 09:42 PM |
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If that fire resistance didn't screw me, I would have just flaming ballistaed the snow. 
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vulcancolak
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posted June 23, 2012 11:04 PM |
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Thanks everyone but my problem isn't that. i can defeat first army but problem is not first army. When i defeated first army, secondary army attacking me and threat level is minimum hard. Yesterday i'm tried 2 more times but nothing still changed.
if i can defeat first army, secondary army will crush me like a bug (defeat)
if i can't defeat first army that means defeat
if i want to capture other towns, other sylvan heroes can stop me easily
btw i'm tried to attaction with my other heroes but COMPUTER IGNORES ALL OF MY OTHER HEROES !
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JoonasTo
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posted June 26, 2012 07:42 PM |
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If they ignore your other heroes, that means they do not see them.
When do you rush through the Phoenixes? You shouldn't break through them before you can take them with minimum losses. Dragons highly preferable, treants could work as well.
What is your hero build like?
How good of a player are you?
If you have a battle where you might lose your hunters(sprites for example), don't take them into the battle. You'll be able to use them to kill a lot of tough creeps and having gold/gem/crystal mines early is the key here.
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vulcancolak
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posted June 27, 2012 03:37 AM |
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What is your hero build like?
i will record the game with fraps, i'm just started campaigns again you'll see it
How good of a player are you?
enough the finish campaign on hard difficulty (only 2 missions i can't complete on hard)
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Elvin
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posted June 27, 2012 11:45 AM |
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Truth be told factions can play so much different and the difficulty of each mission is so random compared to the others that a person's ability is hard to judge. A good inferno player could be a poor dungeon player or the campaign may require a specific type of play you are not used to etc.
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vulcancolak
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posted June 30, 2012 06:48 PM |
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i'm surrender. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE NO ONE CAN COMPLETE THIS MISSION ON HARD DIFFICULTY WITHOUT SAVE
Today first time i can defeated gilraen's army and i said "finally, i can complete this mission on hard difficulty" but...
Another army can defeat me easily.
Before gilraen attacks me i can gather army and i will use useful items from bottom right.
When gilraen appears, army threat is hard but i can delay their army with my army but when the end on the week, he decides to attack castle.
When i fought on open terrain
+ agrael have a high attack but defense is low that means attacking the enemy asap is important
- enemy actually have a 120-160 blade dancer and 20-25 unicorns. i can't counter him because i'm gathering master hunter, elder druid and succubus (because this is my only chance)
When i fought in the castle
+ army gains luck and morale when defending the castle (good homm players knows if you command another race's units, they have a -2 morale penalty)
+ luck and morale is important for my range units
+ Phantom Forces is really useful (if you don't have phantom forces, select as starting bonus at 2'nd mission)
- agrael's defense is really low but i will teach +2 defense from the middle arena
But that's not enough. I can defeat Gilraen but secondary army quickly attacking me with threat level NO CHANCE
when i want to escape from town, enemy gains 3'rd town and that means is defeat because my inferno base upgrades is limited.
i don't believe if anyone says "i can comlete mission 3 on hard difficulty)
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Elvin
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posted July 01, 2012 09:19 PM |
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I'd send you a screenshot but sadly I have lost my saves 
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JoonasTo
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posted July 02, 2012 09:53 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 21:54, 02 Jul 2012.
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Used two heroes to slow Gilraen down(also magic missile him a few times) because he came a day too early (I wonder why?).
Only made imps from the inferno castle to serve as sacrifice(and to siphon mana if needed).
Tried to avoid fighting sprites where I could(unavoidable losses, if I had to, took away my shooters and sprites to make them wasp imps).
Didn't take Berserk scroll yet, won't need it that much and the fight for it is tough early on (haven't wandered there again).
ABUSED THE PITFIENDS!
Mines week 1 (crystal, gem, gold) & 2 (sulphur, mercury, gold). Got Dragons week 3. Didn't take hunters into risky fights. Haven't touched the phoenixes.
Save just before the Gilraen fight is here.
Another hero will come down after the fight, I think it was Ylthin but wasn't much of an issue. Played it safe, waited a week, beat her and then ravaged the map starting from the upper right corner castle.
Oh yeah, it's played on heroic.
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OEA
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posted July 03, 2012 08:35 PM |
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i played this on hard 1.5 but with saves.
few things to know taking the first town triggers the weekly sylvan huge stacks in your paths events so timing when you take this town can be important. next thing to know is you can reach the upper left town without going thru the pheonix just but thru the mountains behind first town from the left had side and take out the earth elementals on the road there (i did this with the 10 pixies i got from the first tree on road to first town).
i actually went gung ho on this map and had taken the first town as fast as possible and the second before the end the week. which is very doable but needed some save/load work as there were other heroes around the second town that were lurking waiting to take it down.
honextly i also was able to take the third town in five more days but gilrean returned immediately and i counldnt take him even with all castle defenses ( i returned to earlier save and decided not to be so bold).
but the thing that really made this map easy was the fact that once gilrean came out he went straight for the first town went inside and never left again! not sure if this is the same in 1.6 but in 1.5 this seemed to be the ticket. with gilrean sitting there i was able to take the upper right no problem (after tracking down the other heroes who didnt have much since i stole the other town first week.
i did build up first town and used three weeks of their troups to finish the druids.
gilrean also, once first town was in view, ignored my heroes even when he could have taken them (my agreal was at the first crossroads getting his supply of inferno troops for the druid run and got ignored and beside him was my lure noob).
if you want to be conservative take the first town on d1w2 so the slvans dont spawn and rush to town 2(upper left) and then just build up that town taking out druids as fast possible (i had to wait till week three to get by the treants) then when girean comes out lure him to first town with noob hero and let him camp there the rest of the map for a no problem victory.
another sad thing is that gilrean never bothered to build up the first town (and i hadnt bothered either) the troops that i fought after clearing the map were the troops he had when he went in needless to say the fight was a breeze as i had taken awhile to get all stats and levels.
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vulcancolak
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posted July 03, 2012 11:06 PM |
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OEA but that's the bug ? i'm trying to say "mission is impossible on hard difficulty when you try normal ways (no bug no exploit)
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OEA
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posted July 04, 2012 12:09 AM |
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Edited by OEA at 00:29, 04 Jul 2012.
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do you mean gilrean never leaving the town again is a bug? lol didnt realize thought this was scripted.
but still rushing the second town is a great idea. for other suggestions you could just avoid taking the nearest town (thereby not triggering the sylvan mass spawning) and rush the second town (there is a goldmine right by this town) build it up and then take first town and immediately rush the druids.
with second town (which has been built up first week by ai) you will have equal troop production (he still has good initial troops but no dragons) as gilrean unless he visits the first town and gets reinforcements (not sure if ai builds up this town.) and you would still have inferno troops also.
so perhaps with a few weeks sylvan growth and a suicide hero with the inferno troops gilrean might be taken out.
or the other way around might be better beat down gilrean with the sylvan and then bring in the inferno with agreal (actually this is probably better as it avoids the morale penalty not to mention better gating).
its too bad that gilrean not leaving first town is a bug (if this is the bug you refer to) as waiting till he leaves the 3rd town and taking the nicely built up town is such a great thing to do!
this actually makes me think of another possibility by building up more sylvan troops and timing it right when gilrean leaves third town you might be able to capture a weeks growth and cause gilrean to come back and attack third town where you can castle defend (this might be tough as one of the other heroes likes to hang around on the north road hoping to retake the second city and having to actually siege the third city would hurt.)
in my game if i had actually taken some of the sylvan creature with me when i had followed the other hero back to third town (which this hero couldnt reach in time so tried to lure me away instead and i just walked into the town) i might actually have been able to hold the city against gilrean as it was it was reasonably close that i was bummed i could not repeat this advance with more troops (when i tried there was always a third hero with marginal troops but enough that the towers would have done enough damage to me to make taking gilrean impossible).
still with a better player they might have been able to take gilrean in my situation when i had the third castle (i saved the situation.) i am still a noob to h5 but have been playing this series regularily since homm1 meaning i still play games of 2 or 3 at least once a month,
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vulcancolak
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posted November 12, 2012 05:14 AM |
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Hello again. I've tried to finish demon campaing 3 on hard difficulty a lot of times and it's obviously IMPOSSIBLE.
i've tried dozens of tactics and there is no way to finish mission 8 on hard difficulty
if still you're saying "i can finish man, come on" like etc, record your game and share with us, otherwise i'll not believe anyone...
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Elvin
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posted November 12, 2012 11:52 AM |
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I've also managed to kill a garrison of 15 pit lords, 15 pit fiends, 15 pit spawns, 300 familiars, 300 horned leapers and 15 melee and 15 shooter witches on day 9 with stronghold and necro but I wouldn't expect you to do it either  Or 35 emerald dragons on day 13-14 with dungeon. People with 2 years of multiplayer experience can pull off some neat tricks and I wasn't even in the top players. But still pretty close I have no need to prove myself, I have done that long ago.
Heroes is easy to learn, difficult to master as they say.
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vulcancolak
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posted November 14, 2012 12:17 AM |
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by the way i want to say again, i'm a hardcore player and i'm not using save/load during the missions and i don't believe anyone can pass this mission on hard difficulty
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