|
| Thread: I really don't like this in so called democracy | |
|
Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
|
posted July 16, 2012 05:53 PM |
|
|
I really don't like this in so called democracy
I hate when clumsy, stupid, nepotist or (worst case) corrupted politicians, after their reign time ends, simply lay low for a year or two, then, change their party and "rule" again.
A good example is Po(or)land. Once we were under Soviet regime, there was a "socialistic" pro-Soviet party. People from that party were universally hated. Guess what! after this pro-soviet party dissolved, its former members simply switched sides. Ten years later one of them became Prime minister, the others got lucrative posts. The banner keeps changing, but those ****nuggets remain the same.
What's the point of voting? Sooner or later, the party you vote for will absorb those old, discredited politicians and become the same **** all over again.
I really think that at the end of current party's rule, the members should be put under vote. If people decide such person is not trustworthy and failed in the role given to him/her, the politician should simply be denied the possibility of getting any political post at all, getting rid of those useless, corrupted, stinking goats forever.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 16, 2012 06:17 PM |
|
|
Ending with no one being in office.
Become a politician yourself!
|
|
Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
|
|
posted July 16, 2012 06:24 PM |
|
|
|
He has a point. The parties, especially the most corrupt ones, tend to enforce certain "hard lists" on the voters so the latter have little choice and ultimately pick the entire list, not the people in it (think of it as a bag with good and rotten fruits). Provided that every party tends to have such candidates in its lists, guess what happens.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 16, 2012 07:32 PM |
|
|
Either someone did something illegal - then they can be investigated and maybe put to trial.
Or they didn't. You can't just say, hey, I don't like the face of that mugger - he was a member of the CP Poland and should die a horrible death.
Such allegations have to be PROVEN first. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.
So generally this is a really, really foolish idea.
|
|
master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
|
|
posted July 16, 2012 07:39 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I really think that at the end of current party's rule, the members should be put under vote. If people decide such person is not trustworthy and failed in the role given to him/her, the politician should simply be denied the possibility of getting any political post at all, getting rid of those useless, corrupted, stinking goats forever.
Interesting idea...
|
|
Seraphim
Supreme Hero
Knowledge Reaper
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 12:01 AM |
|
|
Quote:
I hate when clumsy, stupid, nepotist or (worst case) corrupted politicians, after their reign time ends, simply lay low for a year or two, then, change their party and "rule" again.
Why? If you dont like the product, dont buy it...
Quote:
What's the point of voting?
You know the answer already.
Quote:
Sooner or later, the party you vote for will absorb those old, discredited politicians and become the same **** all over again.
Yes, that happens often. The only thing you can do is not vote for that guy. I see it in this way, politics is like show business. If its profitable ,it happens.
Quote:
If people decide such person is not trustworthy and failed in the role given to him/her, the politician should simply be denied the possibility of getting any political post at all, getting rid of those useless, corrupted, stinking goats forever.
Dont you see the faulty logic in your argument? You are invoking human judgement to prevent human behaviour. And then, who are these "People" that should decide if somebody failed? Anyone can be corrupted.
The useless stinking goats cannot be permanently removed if they fail, failing is not a crime. If they fail to lessen the taxes, you dont vote for him/her.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 06:00 AM |
|
Edited by Elodin at 06:05, 17 Jul 2012.
|
In the US presidents are limited to two terms in office. Unfortunately the same is not true of Congress. I favor an amendment to the Constitution to establish term limits for Congress. Two terms should be plenty. Also, I favor an amendment to allow a recall election of the president, senators, representatives, and judges, including supreme court judges. Both elected and appointed officials should be able to be held accountable by the people.
Corrupt politicians maintain their footing in politics because there are too many sheep who want to be fed by them and because of lazy people who do not investigate what the politicians stand for. Of course some people have given up entirely and no longer vote. That in my opinion is being lazy too.
When the people do not hold politicians accountable politicians grow more and more corrupt. We have only "the people" to blame for tolerating corrupt politics.
____________
Revelation
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 09:21 AM |
|
|
In Germany, in the Middle Ages we had something called "Pranger". The Pranger was an instrument of public humiliation, a punishment that exposed your shame to the public, which, in most towns could do anything with the defendants except hit them or otherwise hurt them - emptying the chamber pots over them or even pee on them, throw bad eggs or rotten food, spit at them...
I often think, that this would be a very fitting pubnishment for corrupt or otherwise criminal public servants.
Of course, determining the guilt would have to come first - by a regular and official court and not by public voting. Real life and determining guilt isn't a TV voting show and shouldn't become one.
|
|
Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 09:45 AM |
|
|
|
In Germany the things are not like in Eastern Europe. When Christian Wulff resigned because of some half-arsed suspicions of corruption, here in Bulgaria we laughed with tears. You know why? 50% or more of the deputies in the current National Assembly are allegedly corrupt, our current prime-minister is mentioned in an official CIA report about the organised crime in the country (among the alleged crime bosses, if I'm not clear enough) and has a not-so-bright past which is a public secret, our current minister of interior has been accused of acquiring real estates in a very unclear manner (between 4 and 9 for about an year, all of a sudden) which are currently redistributed among members of his family, etc. Yet all these people stay in power like nothing has happened and this just one of the many such governments for the last 23 years. Really, you Germans are no fun. Come to live for a few years in a former Eastern Bloc country and you might as well change a lot of your opinions about the democracy and how it should look like.
|
|
Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 11:18 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Why? If you dont like the product, dont buy it...
It's like food. If you find you don't like all of it, you'll starve to death trying to be true to your ideals.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours
|
|
master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 11:26 AM |
|
|
A QP for you,Doomforge!
|
|
del_diablo
Legendary Hero
Manifest
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 11:46 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Ending with no one being in office.
Become a politician yourself!
so short of asssinating all the politicans, how can he stop a setup voting scheme that involves all parties having defacto power and a 15 year waiting line with corruption to become a actual high ranking politican?
____________
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 17, 2012 01:05 PM |
|
|
Quote:
In Germany the things are not like in Eastern Europe. When Christian Wulff resigned because of some half-arsed suspicions of corruption, here in Bulgaria we laughed with tears. You know why? 50% or more of the deputies in the current National Assembly are allegedly corrupt, our current prime-minister is mentioned in an official CIA report about the organised crime in the country (among the alleged crime bosses, if I'm not clear enough) and has a not-so-bright past which is a public secret, our current minister of interior has been accused of acquiring real estates in a very unclear manner (between 4 and 9 for about an year, all of a sudden) which are currently redistributed among members of his family, etc. Yet all these people stay in power like nothing has happened and this just one of the many such governments for the last 23 years. Really, you Germans are no fun. Come to live for a few years in a former Eastern Bloc country and you might as well change a lot of your opinions about the democracy and how it should look like.
That's because you don't have a Western democracy. I mean, realistically spoken, what you had in the Eastern Block some twenty years ago was an oligarchy plus a black market crime scene, with borders being quite vague and often non existent. After the iron curtain was pulled away, suddenly the black marketeers could come forth, "washing" their wealth and call themselves "businessmen" now. This is not so unlike the situation in the US after the prohibition, with the big difference, that there were no "honorable" business millionaires, since the only other wealthy persons were the politicians, corrupt or "only" party-profiteer.
And with those people controlling the economy of your countries ... what do you expect?
This can be changed only by FORCE - the people would have to kill them all and distribute all the wealth starting with a real democracy - however, you may got the numbers, but they not only got the money, they also have the guns and the goons.
That has nothing to do with democracy. It's just that the criminals are in control.
|
| |
|
|
