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War-overlord
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posted August 05, 2012 06:00 PM |
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Eitherway, don't make Ubisoft out as evil misers because they misjudged one project.(Not suggesting that JJ said they are)
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Dave_Jame
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posted August 05, 2012 06:37 PM |
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Well on thing is true.
The pirats DLC showed that Limbic can add new features to the game. Create new abilities and parts of the game.
The T. bird is a new creature. Yes its looks are taken from the pheonix. but this is not the problem of Limbic. But the problem of Ubi and their willingness to give money to Puppet works.
But its abilities are a mix of old and new features. Like the tree being the lightning rod etc. This shows that Limbic has the ability and skills to make new things.
Also the Dynasty pet features is somehow new.
It is not like taking old features and adjusting values (Like a Artifact set or a Dynasty weapon).
The other question would be, how much of this could have been left behind after BH.
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 05, 2012 07:33 PM |
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Well on thing is true.
The pirats DLC showed that Limbic can add new features to the game. Create new abilities and parts of the game.
The T. bird is a new creature. Yes its looks are taken from the pheonix. but this is not the problem of Limbic. But the problem of Ubi and their willingness to give money to Puppet works.
But its abilities are a mix of old and new features. Like the tree being the lightning rod etc. This shows that Limbic has the ability and skills to make new things.
Also the Dynasty pet features is somehow new.
It is not like taking old features and adjusting values (Like a Artifact set or a Dynasty weapon).
The other question would be, how much of this could have been left behind after BH.
They also showed that they can screw up the game and create new bugs with patches and DLCs, so it's not that easy.
I think you're too optimistic and I believe that Limbic can't afford to make an expansion, as Ubisoft already stated. Unless they gave them a lot of months to do that...and still, making a new faction, implementing it, dealing with bugs, etc won't be an easy task.
On top of that, if they already having trouble with patches : Do you really think that they can make an expansion parallel to patch procesing? I don't think so
As for H7, if they really want to make it, probably they won't start until the next spin-offs of the mark M&M are out and depending of the benefits they'll decide. Maybe?
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MattII
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posted August 05, 2012 10:36 PM |
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Wasn't Ubisoft in charge of all the big decisions on game mechanics and didn't they keep changing their minds over the things?
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War-overlord
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posted August 05, 2012 11:48 PM |
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So the guy, who claimed to be from BlackHole, said. If you believe him.
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Brukernavn
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posted August 06, 2012 12:32 AM |
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I get the Low-hopes attitude, but there is no need to be spitefull.
And yes, Ubisoft got the budget-allocation wrong for Heroes VI. That does not make them tight-fisted misers.
I believe I was being sarcastic, not spiteful.
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I'm not against a gaming company making money in general, or any company for that matter. After all, profit is necessary for a company to "survive". Rather I'm objecting to Ubisoft in particular and their practices. For instance;
- Releasing the game despite the overwhelming feedback regarding bugs and balancing issues in the beta.
- Using fan communication as a marketing stunt, but in reality ignoring most of the community input while having a we-know-better-than-you-attitude until forced to do otherwise in fear of bad publicity (example: Town screens).
- Overpriced DLCs for an unfinished game.
- Horrible internet DRM, which does not only punish those who buy the game but ruin their saves and as of recently pose a security threat to their computer (although DRM controversies can be regarded as a Ubisoft trait).
- Leaving both developers that worked on the Heroes games under them bankrupt (for reasons unknown, but is undoubtedly at least partly their fault).
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I think I'll stop there before I get too much off topic. But regarding an expansion, based on their behavior so far, I believe they'll focus on patching and DLCs (as long as people are willing to pay for the latter) since it involves a lot less work and has a lower risk of failure compared to an expansion.
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Dave_Jame
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posted August 06, 2012 06:46 AM |
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- Releasing the game despite the overwhelming feedback regarding bugs and balancing issues in the beta.
This is called a Deadline. The game was already half a year late and christmas was comming. I do not say it was good but it was nescesary or the project would go down the drain, and potentionaly all of MaM franchise. I see this as the less of two evil.
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- Using fan communication as a marketing stunt, but in reality ignoring most of the community input while having a we-know-better-than-you-attitude until forced to do otherwise in fear of bad publicity (example: Town screens).
Well yes they do this, But i the same time, they do thing the community wants. (Example Town screens). And at the same time. Did you read all those moronic complaints the "community" has all over the internet? Half of them are contraproductiv or based on the fact that people dislike changes whitout understading their concept. For example look at the survay at this topic. Half of balancing issues are due to the fact they want the game to be more like Heroes III or any other older game (Example making Champions much stronger then other units). This is bad, and the community should feel bad about it. We need inovation otherwise we will A die, B end like all the repetive none inovative franchises who are all the same and bring nothing new (CoD, Diablo)
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- Overpriced DLCs for an unfinished game.
Point 1: the DLC is out not even a month. The price will go down sooner or later. And this was stated by ubi.
Point 2: I paid less then 8€ for it, which is the standard price in my contry. For the content that it brought, i think this price is reasonable.
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- Horrible internet DRM, which does not only punish those who buy the game but ruin their saves and as of recently pose a security threat to their computer (although DRM controversies can be regarded as a Ubisoft trait).
If i recall correctly, the threat problem was solved in less then a Day. I did not even get to make the changes and they solved it. I do not understand why you pull this one out.
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- Leaving both developers that worked on the Heroes games under them bankrupt (for reasons unknown, but is undoubtedly at least partly their fault).
Where the hell did you get the Idea that NIVAL is bankrupt? They are fine andstill working. And about BH, the reason they bankrupt is partialy and unofficialy knowen. And we can belive what we have been told by bouth sides, they have the same or greater credit for their own downfall
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I think I'll stop there before I get too much off topic. But regarding an expansion, based on their behavior so far, I believe they'll focus on patching and DLCs (as long as people are willing to pay for the latter) since it involves a lot less work and has a lower risk of failure compared to an expansion.
This may be true, but patches do not bring you income, and you have to pay for the work that has been done. The DLC's produce income, but they do not create one thing that I think is one of Ubi's goals with heroes VI.
Let us say thati belive ubi is following a different concept with the MaM franchies. And even if I hate it, i can call it the Blizzard model. How do I thik this work? Well, quality games do not bring that much income when compared to their costs. A game like Heroes VI is very cost worthy to create. But they bring you one thing - fame. As ubi stated Heroes VI is a flagship of the franchise, the game that should have the spotlight and look the best. On the other hand they will make other less cost worthy games that will bring aprox. the same many into the company, but withl a lower cost. Example of such "Golden gooses" Cloud be Clash of Heroes, or in the future the Duel of Champions. You can look at these games and you see that theit production cost could not have been as high as the cost of Heroes VI. But especialy in online games like Heroes Kingdoms, or Duel of Champions. People do not have a problem to pay "let us say a 2-5€" a month whitout realisng that after a few months the have payed the same price as for the quality game but ona a game that had a much lower production cost, just because it is easier to build a house brick by brick then to transport it to the location in one pice.
This is the reason why I think that Ubi will make an expansion and it will make it soon. Thay need the spotlight that no other game in this franchies (with the exeption of a old school RPG) can reciev from the begining. And even if the project would only cover it's production cost, it would pay of for them in the long run.
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Zenofex
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posted August 06, 2012 07:29 AM |
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The pirats DLC showed that Limbic can add new features to the game. Create new abilities and parts of the game.
I haven't played it myself but two extra maps with some artifacts - from what I've heard - is hardly something "new". And wasn't Mazrhin the main (the only?) person behind this DLC? That's Ubisoft (or more accurately, the Heroes VI map editor), not Limbic.
I still fail to see how this DLC has proven anything at all, it added virtually nothing to the game but yet you keep claiming that it was a sound move.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted August 06, 2012 01:14 PM |
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The pirats DLC showed that Limbic can add new features to the game. Create new abilities and parts of the game.
I haven't played it myself but two extra maps with some artifacts - from what I've heard - is hardly something "new". And wasn't Mazrhin the main (the only?) person behind this DLC? That's Ubisoft (or more accurately, the Heroes VI map editor), not Limbic.
I still fail to see how this DLC has proven anything at all, it added virtually nothing to the game but yet you keep claiming that it was a sound move.
I have to be vulgar right now so please excuse me.
But are you a total Idiot or just a brainwashed Monkey? Did you even red my entire post or have you just quoted the first few lines?
In case you sold your brain to resurche purpesus I am going to write down one more time the things that are NEW and not "Remade" in the DLC
Point one: The New boss that has been introduced is very different from any in the vanila game. As a Unit, it hes new abilities that are not based on any spell or ability of a different creature. Yes not all abilities are new, but at least half of them. Also the tree that works like a lightning-rod is a rather new trik with the code. This proves that Limbic (If this was not part of BH leftovers) has the ability to create new features to the skill and battle map parts of the game.
Ponit two: Limbic managed to add the Dynasty pet feature to the game. it is not a big feature, and I do not think it works 100% correctly just yet but still it is something new that was not there. I am not a IT expert so I do not know how difficult this task cloud have been. But it is there.
And finaly Point three even if the elemental conflux is just a small step forward it shows that Limbic has the ablity to create new map objects.
So in the end we do not only have copy-pased features like Heroes. DW. Artifact sets. But also features that are a bit more complicated like DP, New Creature abilities and Map obects. Three things that I see as crucial for making and expansion. Graphics are outsourced, they are done by a 3rd party. So all you have to know is "How to put new features into the game (DP)", "How to create new abilities for new creatures (TB)", and "How to create new functional map obects (EC)"
Yes offcorce anybody with a basic knowladge of programig could do this. But gues what! They actually have this ability. You know, because they create games and so. So creating smal DLC's is a good practice. You know, to get to know the code better, try some thing's out. Make first some steps on a samller scale befor you start a big ptoject. Get to know the thing you work with.
Sure many of this "could" have been left behind by BH, but do we know that for sure? If was left behind then well, Limbic is going to stick to patching works. But if they know now how to expand the game, all they need is money (That depends on Ubi) and Work power. And belive me finding a willing programer in germany or central europe is not such a big problem.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted August 06, 2012 01:24 PM |
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A friendly warning for all concerned, please keep the tone civil. Arguments are to be expected either due to sarcasm, diametrically opposite views or misunderstandings but I do not want to see any thread derailed. Once your case has been made let us just leave it at that.
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 06, 2012 01:30 PM |
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- Overpriced DLCs for an unfinished game.
Point 1: the DLC is out not even a month. The price will go down sooner or later. And this was stated by ubi.
So now is still overpriced.
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Point 2: I paid less then 8€ for it, which is the standard price in my contry. For the content that it brought, i think this price is reasonable.
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- A non-exclusive campaign of two maps
- 1 pet
- 1 set of artifacts
- 1 Dinasty Weapon
- 1 new boss
- several new heroes
- 1 new scenario (or more? I'm not sure here)
This is reasonable for 10 €? You must be kidding. If I recall correctly, for around 25 € TotE came out, and I don't need to list all it added to compare with that list to humiliate the DLC.
Only if the DLC was 3-5€ then you could argue that it can be reasonable. But 10€? Hell no
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- Horrible internet DRM, which does not only punish those who buy the game but ruin their saves and as of recently pose a security threat to their computer (although DRM controversies can be regarded as a Ubisoft trait).
If i recall correctly, the threat problem was solved in less then a Day. I did not even get to make the changes and they solved it. I do not understand why you pull this one out.
No, the threat was solved in less than a day after we were told. The threat have been there for a long time, not one day.
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I think I'll stop there before I get too much off topic. But regarding an expansion, based on their behavior so far, I believe they'll focus on patching and DLCs (as long as people are willing to pay for the latter) since it involves a lot less work and has a lower risk of failure compared to an expansion.
This may be true, but patches do not bring you income, and you have to pay for the work that has been done. The DLC's produce income, but they do not create one thing that I think is one of Ubi's goals with heroes VI.
Tell that to the ones who have paid up to 55€ for a broken, bugged game since last October. Ubi already stated that they got a good amount of money with H6 sales, considering the state it was released. Asking for DLC for money for fixing the game that already paid is stupid.
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Lord_Immortal
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DoR Dev Team
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posted August 06, 2012 01:40 PM |
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For me there will almost certainly be in:
-Dungeon Town DLC(They said that a Dungeon town would be featured later in game)
-New M&M Game
-Bug Fixing(within the dungeon DLC/patch)
But I would like to see:
-Rampart,Academy,Battlement(Dwarven) and Fortress(Lizardman)
-Revampening of Sanctuary and Necropolis:
-Gray(No Upg) and Blood Red(upg) themes for Necropolis
-Zombies instead of Ghouls,Spinners as Elite and Undead Dragons as Champ.
-Making Mizu-Kami not upgrade and Yuki-Onna upgrade of the same troop,leaving 1 empty slot
-Making the Yuki-Onna more elemental-like
-Renamed Coral Priestesses to Medusa and making them a more offensive troop rather than support healer
-Empty slot filled with the middle naga specie(we have Coral and Deep,but not the third specie
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Quique30
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 06, 2012 02:20 PM |
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I have very low expectations. I think it'll be the Sandro DLC plus some M&M related project announcement.
Nothing big and fancy like an expansion or a new faction, etc. Hope I'm wrong, though.
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted August 06, 2012 02:31 PM |
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Reasonable?
- A non-exclusive campaign of two maps
- 1 pet
- 1 set of artifacts
- 1 Dinasty Weapon
- 1 new boss
- several new heroes
- 1 new scenario (or more? I'm not sure here)
This is reasonable for 10 €? You must be kidding. If I recall correctly, for around 25 € TotE came out, and I don't need to list all it added to compare with that list to humiliate the DLC.
Only if the DLC was 3-5€ then you could argue that it can be reasonable. But 10€? Hell no
I think you should look how a common DLC looks like. And as I saied, I paid 8€ not 10.. that is a 20% difference..
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If i recall correctly, the threat problem was solved in less then a Day. I did not even get to make the changes and they solved it. I do not understand why you pull this one out.
No, the threat was solved in less than a day after we were told. The threat have been there for a long time, not one day.
It is hard to fix somethin you do not know about. And when the found out, they correcet it rather fast. One question what OS do you use? if it is Windows, think about their security problems, which are well knowen yet many people still use them.
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This may be true, but patches do not bring you income, and you have to pay for the work that has been done. The DLC's produce income, but they do not create one thing that I think is one of Ubi's goals with heroes VI.
Tell that to the ones who have paid up to 55€ for a broken, bugged game since last October. Ubi already stated that they got a good amount of money with H6 sales, considering the state it was released. Asking for DLC for money for fixing the game that already paid is stupid.
I paid the full price of the game, collectors edition, a price around 80€ at that time, still I do not see any reason to act like you do. And do I prove me wrong, but does anybody force you to buy the Dlc? No they do not. But you still recieve the patches that fix your game. That means that buying the DLC does not have anything to do with the game beeing fixed. And If i recall well StormGiant you stated a while ago that you have not bought the game, how can you, even as a representative of a community know how somebody who bought, paied, played and saw the development of the game from first sight feel about it?
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Zenofex
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posted August 06, 2012 02:45 PM |
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Dave_Jame, if you intend to react like a frenzied fanboy, there's no point in discussing this further. And frankly your post makes little sense in regard to the things I said.
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 06, 2012 02:53 PM |
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Reasonable?
- A non-exclusive campaign of two maps
- 1 pet
- 1 set of artifacts
- 1 Dinasty Weapon
- 1 new boss
- several new heroes
- 1 new scenario (or more? I'm not sure here)
This is reasonable for 10 €? You must be kidding. If I recall correctly, for around 25 € TotE came out, and I don't need to list all it added to compare with that list to humiliate the DLC.
Only if the DLC was 3-5€ then you could argue that it can be reasonable. But 10€? Hell no
I think you should look how a common DLC looks like. And as I saied, I paid 8€ not 10.. that is a 20% difference..
Then, DLC prices aren't reasonable. And I'm sure about DLCs which cost 5€ and not 10€.
You paid 8€? Lucky you, but the official price is 10€, not 8.
PS: Even being a small content, it's bugged (saves issues, black screen, Crag Hack speciality, achievements that doesn't work, etc..). Another point against being reasonable, my friend.
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If i recall correctly, the threat problem was solved in less then a Day. I did not even get to make the changes and they solved it. I do not understand why you pull this one out.
No, the threat was solved in less than a day after we were told. The threat have been there for a long time, not one day.
It is hard to fix somethin you do not know about. And when the found out, they correcet it rather fast. One question what OS do you use? if it is Windows, think about their security problems, which are well knowen yet many people still use them.
Still, the threat has been there for some time, so it's a valid point against Uplay.
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This may be true, but patches do not bring you income, and you have to pay for the work that has been done. The DLC's produce income, but they do not create one thing that I think is one of Ubi's goals with heroes VI.
Tell that to the ones who have paid up to 55€ for a broken, bugged game since last October. Ubi already stated that they got a good amount of money with H6 sales, considering the state it was released. Asking for DLC for money for fixing the game that already paid is stupid.
I paid the full price of the game, collectors edition, a price around 80€ at that time, still I do not see any reason to act like you do. And do I prove me wrong, but does anybody force you to buy the Dlc? No they do not. But you still recieve the patches that fix your game. That means that buying the DLC does not have anything to do with the game beeing fixed. And If i recall well StormGiant you stated a while ago that you have not bought the game, how can you, even as a representative of a community know how somebody who bought, paied, played and saw the development of the game from first sight feel about it?
No, noone forces you to pay the DLC. But in interviews they stated that they release DLC in order to pay Limbic. So, if you don't buy DLC patches may stop and you may not get what you should get for what you paid.
Yes, I don't have the game, buy I've been translating everything in the last 13 months of H6 that have came out, I've talked with users who paid the game and share their opinions about the game, the patches, etc...and I think I have a generally idea of how this game came out and how it evolved.
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Dave_Jame
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posted August 06, 2012 05:12 PM |
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@Zenofex
I think you should really read what i wrote, not just skip over it. if I may reqoute you...
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I haven't played it myself but two extra maps with some artifacts - from what I've heard - is hardly something "new". And wasn't Mazrhin the main (the only?) person behind this DLC? That's Ubisoft (or more accurately, the Heroes VI map editor), not Limbic.
I still fail to see how this DLC has proven anything at all, it added virtually nothing to the game but yet you keep claiming that it was a sound move.
From this I have understood, and pleas prove me wrong that
1: you did not play the DLC ->that means you do not know what it is like, and what is in it from other sources than forums.
2: You think it is only 3 maps and Heroes, nothing more -> That is why I listed the features of the DLC that you had not mentioned.
3: You think Marzhin was the solo person behind the DLC. -> which is why i listed the features to show you, that thay are more then thing a mapmaker can do with his tools
4: How can you know what the DLC has added when you did not play it. how do you fail to see something when someone literaly writes it under your nose? You did not say "I do not think this is enought". You just said you failed to see it. This means for me that you ignore it, or you do not want to see it. Because if you would not ignore it, you would be able to say if it is enought or not what should be added, or cut out. There is most probably a new DLC on the way. So it is the best time to say what would you like to see in it. (Come to think of it, that is a good idea for a new topic)
And you can say I've overeacted or that I'm am a Fanboy. I do not think i fulfilled any of these acusations. I just strongly dislike when people keep "beating the dead horse". And this is exactly what you and Storm-Giant are doing. None of you has bought ot played the DLC, but still you say that it is bad whitout ever trying it. You only have your predjudice but no personal experienc.
@Storm-Giant
Now imagine that we actually are in a similar position. I also take care of a community. But unlike you, i know the game from first hand aswell. I have been helping people since the game come out. Translating info since the game has been announced. I have been substituding thechnical support so often I think i should be paid by Ubi. But I have also explored the game. Whitnes many of the bugs by my own. reveiwed the game from many sides and I am aware of many down sides of the game that are not thar offten discused, like the fact of extremly similar artifacts. Their situation would be catastrophical whitout the sets. From all this I should be the one who would criticises ubi, but I do not. Because I do not see only the bad things, but also the good things that have been made. I see how the game is beeing worked on and fixed. And sorry but I am not the kind of person who points out the bad things when I see that somebody is trying to fixed them. If I see they made a step in the good direction, I am going to encourage them they are on the right way. And you know what from my !experience! the DLC was a step into the right way.
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 06, 2012 06:43 PM |
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Well, the dlc is not a bad thing, but my wish is to see an expansion pack because it is the only chance to see new factions, and altough we got an entirely new Naga faction I think the number of factions in H6 is to small (knowing how many fan-favorite factions were thrown out). And about it being overpriced. There are more overpriced dlc's out there like a collection of stupid hats for your characters for "mere" 5$ and such... In my opinion all this frustration comes from the fact that many people are enraged with things like bugs and lack of game support and such. As such, we would really like to see some kind of apology, or at least a full-fledged expansion pack.
You see the problem with H6 is not what it is now (which I take for quite a good game), but what it should be when looking on the Heroes legacy. It pains me to see that the series is a victim of modern times game-making policies like small budget given, based on franchise popularity "because fans will buy it anyway" strategy and ultimately - Ubisoft's greed. It angers me to know that the time that should have been utilized for making an expansion pack was wasted on things like bug fixing and fights between devs and publishers. Seems to me that Ubisoft is probably trying to save the game (and their money) by making small dlc because they have only this much time at the moment. It's like 3DO Heroes Chronicles. We will see what the future will bring us...
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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
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posted August 07, 2012 08:59 AM |
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From this I have understood, and pleas prove me wrong that
1: you did not play the DLC ->that means you do not know what it is like, and what is in it from other sources than forums.
2: You think it is only 3 maps and Heroes, nothing more -> That is why I listed the features of the DLC that you had not mentioned.
3: You think Marzhin was the solo person behind the DLC. -> which is why i listed the features to show you, that thay are more then thing a mapmaker can do with his tools
4: How can you know what the DLC has added when you did not play it. how do you fail to see something when someone literaly writes it under your nose? You did not say "I do not think this is enought". You just said you failed to see it. This means for me that you ignore it, or you do not want to see it. Because if you would not ignore it, you would be able to say if it is enought or not what should be added, or cut out. There is most probably a new DLC on the way. So it is the best time to say what would you like to see in it. (Come to think of it, that is a good idea for a new topic)
And you can say I've overeacted or that I'm am a Fanboy. I do not think i fulfilled any of these acusations. I just strongly dislike when people keep "beating the dead horse". And this is exactly what you and Storm-Giant are doing. None of you has bought ot played the DLC, but still you say that it is bad whitout ever trying it. You only have your predjudice but no personal experienc.
I don't understand why do you think that I ignored the things you said - on the countrary, I didn't, I just consider them irrelevant. Let's see them:
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1: you did not play the DLC ->that means you do not know what it is like, and what is in it from other sources than forums.
So? I don't like what I read in the forums, therefore I refuse to spend 10 euro for this blatant attempt to milk the players but I have no right to state my opinion? And why is that? Have you seen me commenting the story of the DLC? Because this is the only thing that I have no right to comment. About the rest:
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Point one: The New boss that has been introduced is very different from any in the vanila game. As a Unit, it hes new abilities that are not based on any spell or ability of a different creature. Yes not all abilities are new, but at least half of them. Also the tree that works like a lightning-rod is a rather new trik with the code. This proves that Limbic (If this was not part of BH leftovers) has the ability to create new features to the skill and battle map parts of the game.
I couldn't care less about the new boss as I couldn't care less about the bosses in the original game because they add nothing to the game itself. Outside a campaign, they virtually don't exist. In a MP environment this is even more true.
As for what Limbic can add and what they can't (ignoring the part where you can't be certain that this is not a BH leftover) - sure, they can probably program a few skills for an unique creature that has no impact on the core of the game. So? Most modders can do it as well. You think this is enough to create a full expansion which consists of more than cosmetic changes?
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Ponit two: Limbic managed to add the Dynasty pet feature to the game. it is not a big feature, and I do not think it works 100% correctly just yet but still it is something new that was not there. I am not a IT expert so I do not know how difficult this task cloud have been. But it is there.
Again - how does this "pet" affect the game in general?
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And finaly Point three even if the elemental conflux is just a small step forward it shows that Limbic has the ablity to create new map objects.
Uh, yes, making a dwelling for creatures that already exist, this certainly adds a new flavour to the game and will make me replay it. Or maybe not.
In short - apart from the story, I see nothing new. If you are fine with such "content" - go ahead and spend your money on it. Crying out loud against the people who don't want to do the same and have their reasons only makes you look like a fanboy, despite your claims that you are not.
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Correct me, if I'm wrong, but his point isn't that the DLC would be great; his point is that the DLC gives reason to believe that Limbic will eventually be able to create new content fit for an add-on, given the monetary resources.
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