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JoonasTo
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posted January 30, 2013 09:52 PM |
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You obviously didn't get what I meant.
The percentage of population not ethnic swedes over time correlated with rape rates over the same period of time.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted January 30, 2013 09:52 PM |
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xerox
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posted January 30, 2013 09:55 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 21:56, 30 Jan 2013.
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So what's the point of doing that?
Here it's even questioned if a Swedish etnicity really exists.
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JoonasTo
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posted January 30, 2013 10:23 PM |
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It's an interesting point to question whether your rates really are just dependant on your legislation or if they're partly due to your failed immigration policies.
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Salamandre
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posted January 30, 2013 10:38 PM |
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Some facts?
A report by the Sweden Democrats published September 2010 and compiled from 114 of 253 court rulings from around the country, stated that 48% of convicted rapists in Sweden in 2009 were born abroad
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smithey
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posted January 31, 2013 01:36 AM |
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Edited by smithey at 01:37, 31 Jan 2013.
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Regarding ratios (if I understood correctly what Joonas was asking)
As seen on the first page, growth rate - rapes in Sweden since 1975
Ratio of rapists betwen the years as mentioned above the pie
61% immigrants and their children that was 20 years ago, nowdays it's as Sal said 48% of convicted rapists are immigrants, but lets not forget that conviction rate is less than 15% of the cases, of all rapes (reported) immigrants are responsible for roughly 75% while Swedes for only 25% of all rapes reported... I would say thats a failure of immigration policy, however they're not the only ones to blame, for example when something shocking as this happens
one of the horrible cases
Punishment is a silly one, and police/gov instead of protecting the victim does all it can to protect the identity/ethnicity of the offenders so Swedish people wouldnt think some of the immigrants are rotten apples... instead of actually doing a backgrond check on the person before they allow him into the country they much rather talk about their amazing progressive social engineering model that does wonders...
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Seraphim
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posted January 31, 2013 03:30 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 03:47, 31 Jan 2013.
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Who in the right mind would be host as an asylum from places with extreme islamic jihad and sharia?
Seriously, Sweden was an asyulum for Iraqi refugees, now syrian refugees, african refugees and so on.
Thats what you get for being obnoxiously stupid.
But hey, there is a first for everything.
I do find it funny that the most atheist countriy in europe is behaving in the dumbest way an incompetent entity could behave.
People dont understand that the saying "Live and let live" jsut does not work with the human race.
And again, why are you so outraged? Being stupid is nothing to be angry about.
As for the video link,
We all know, or rather I do, that it takes a certain amount of being stupid to compare humanitarian aid with spending...
Really, if you are going to host 100k people, dont snow about the spending because you are doing this for "Good will".
Honestly swedes, you got a state, a goverment and you cant govern your country.
Really, just go back to your monarchy and fix your mess or try Communism for once.
immgrant population in Le Sweden:
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Population
Finland 166,723
Iraq 125,499
Poland 72,865
Yugoslavia 70,050
Islamic Republic of Iran ´
63,828
Bosnia and Herzegovina
56,290
Germany 48,442
Denmark 44,951
Turkey 43,909
Norway 43,058
Somalia 40,165
Thailand 33,613
Chile 28,385
China (excluding Hong Kong)
25,657
Lebanon 24,394
Syrian Arab Republic
22,357
United Kingdom 21,883
Romania 21,016
India 18,622
United States of America
17,755
Afghanistan 17,489
Russian Federation
16,412
Hungary 15,441
Viet Nam 15,175
Ethiopia 14,314
Greece 12,062
Immigrants from other countries 359,003
Total immigrant population
1,427,296
The BOLDED parts indicate the "Immigration" problem of your country.
You know, accepting anything thats from the balkans, africa or the middle east + India + Russia is a bad thing.
Lots of people that wanna steal your "soul".
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blizzardboy
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posted January 31, 2013 03:43 AM |
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It's a little more complex than that.
You first need to realize that people aren't quite as overeager to leave their homelands as you think. There are plenty of Africans living in relative poverty that all the same live happy, fulfilling lives and don't have a particular desire to go through the emotional stress of moving somewhere foreign like Sweden and getting to have a pimp house in the prosperous subarctic. There are a limited # of people willing to immigrate in the world; the number is much larger than what rich countries are willing to annually admit, but it is still a limited number, and from that limited number there is an extremely more limited # of people with envied professional skills. The bulk of them are blue collar workers. Immigration is lifeblood for rich countries facing a native demographic crisis, and since there's only so many stellar immigrants to be found, a lot of the rest falls to the average Joe (or the average Mohammad). You can choose to avoid letting any of them in to avoid the social issues and crime that are bound to come along with it, but you may be avoiding a lesser evil only to run into a greater one, which is that you'll eventually have a lopsided population where a ****load of people are collecting retirement benefits and a smaller group of people are actually in the workforce. Very, very bad news.
Sweden is adopting a more aggressive strategy than its neighbors by soaking in lots of immigrants to force up their ****ty national growth. They're thinking in the long-term, 20 years from now. Of course it's highly debated whether or not it will actually pay off, but it is pretty standard that the social issues related to immigration generally decrease as you get into the 2nd generation.
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posted January 31, 2013 04:01 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 04:06, 31 Jan 2013.
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@ blizzboy
Well, you have a point but if people get pissed off, they could make a giant protest and force the country to close its "Borders" for immigrans.This is supposed to be a democracy. If people wanna die off from old age in their homeland, let it be. Why bother with demographics.
Look at switzerland.
I wonder why people want the EU anymore. Just revert back to pre EU rules and block everything and in return they should get out of foreign involement.
Let afghanistan rule itself and yeah, stop producing immigrants by war.
Maybe then, europe will lessen the noise its producing because of immigrants and we call all sleep and not deal with BS from EU.
Whats pissing me off is that people snow about immigration and yet their coountry is invloved in a war with their host country.
Just let arabs rule themselves, they clearly say "Freedom of speech, go to hell" so yeah...
leave afrians in africa, that will help the world actually, in a dark way, because it stops the spread of HIV.
I just wish every country that snowes about immigration closes all borders, deports all immigrants and by all means, stops snowing and messing with other countries.
Another way to stop the pissing off is to NOT invest in foreign aid.
You got a problem with foreign aid? Stop it. Simple as that.
As I said earlier, "live and let live" does not work with the human race.
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posted January 31, 2013 04:07 AM |
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If white ethnic natives don't like outsiders coming into their country, then they need to find a wooden club, grab the nearest woman, and put a baby in her. If not, then they need to shut the **** up and deal with it. Immigrants are saving the Western world, not the other way around.
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posted January 31, 2013 04:25 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 04:32, 31 Jan 2013.
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If white ethnic natives don't like outsiders coming into their country, then they need to find a wooden club, grab the nearest woman, and put a baby in her. If not, then they need to shut the **** up and deal with it. Immigrants are saving the Western world, not the other way around.
You know,after the WW2, where being nationalistic and stuff was great back then, people had the images of "nationalism" being bad photographed on them in the brain.
The whole, immigrant mess, is just the opposite phenomenon of that.
People should look at RUssia, which managed to increase its population in 2009. THey are strong nationalists, western style economy and yet they breed more than europe.
See, russians got it all right now...
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2009 Russia recorded a yearly population spike for the first time in 15 years, with a growth rate of 23,300.
In 2011, the population of Russia grew by 191,000 people, and reached a total of more than 143 million.
In the first eleven months of 2012, Russia's population increased by 276,200 people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth
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posted January 31, 2013 09:53 AM |
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When HC members start quoting Sweden Democrat sayings as facts it's pretty much game over as far as I'm concerned...
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Salamandre
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posted January 31, 2013 12:22 PM |
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I have no idea what's wrong or not with the Sweden Democrats. This being said, statistics compiled from court rulings public reports are not necessarily false because of the source publishing them. A debate is worth when the statistics are proved to be twisted, not when the source bringing them out is criticized.
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posted January 31, 2013 01:06 PM |
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I have no idea what's wrong or not with the Sweden Democrats.
Mentioning the word "Democrat" may bring up a speech about evil marxists in a land far away from Sweden, duh.
Regarding the subject: its pretty much hard to compare laws for "rape" when "rape" is classified as X,Y,Z in Sweden but only as X in other countries.
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artu
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posted January 31, 2013 01:48 PM |
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Seraphim, you can not reverse globalism, you can only modify it to a point. What you suggest is like trying to stay as tribes in the age of nation states. You'll be economically and politically consumed.
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posted January 31, 2013 02:00 PM |
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Would be nice to compare what constitutes as rape in different countries. To sum it up vaguely, in Finland it is "Forcing into intercourse by using force or the threat of a force". Also if the victim is unconsious or unable to tell his/her wants, that constitutes as rape.
In Sweded?
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smithey
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posted January 31, 2013 04:29 PM |
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Edited by smithey at 16:31, 31 Jan 2013.
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Its not like telling a girl hi in Sweden means you have raped her, there really isnt that much difference except for the fact that they have added some additions... Anyhow
Here's Sweden
What is the legal definition of rape?
Forced vaginal intercourse or a comparable sexual act, which is carried out by assault or threat of violence
How is consent understood?
Determined by whether force or threat of force was used. Unlike Germany, helplessness of the victim - where there is no force used - means it can still be rape.
What is meant by incapacity?
Having sex with someone by improperly exploiting them while they are unconscious is rape, under Swedish law. This may be due to unconsciousness, sleep, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, injury or mental disturbance - or otherwise in a helpless state (child for example)
Can a woman be charged with rape?
Perpetrator can be male or female.
Spousal rape
Outlawed in 1965. (first in the world I believe)
What is the maximum penalty?
Two to six years in prison, or four to 10 years for "gross rape" - depending on level of violence and whether more than one person assaulted the victim.
2 years for raping a child, happens all the time...
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posted January 31, 2013 06:01 PM |
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so how does any of these statistics solve anything? they just identify where the problems are§
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posted February 01, 2013 04:59 PM |
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I have no idea what's wrong or not with the Sweden Democrats. This being said, statistics compiled from court rulings public reports are not necessarily false because of the source publishing them. A debate is worth when the statistics are proved to be twisted, not when the source bringing them out is criticized.
The Sweden Democrats ARE racist and hooliganistic. Even their top politicians are hooligans in suit disguise. Scandal after scandal they keep slowly growing by spreading islamophobia and fear. They attempt to taint the swedish flagg with racism. If they one day come to rule, Sweden will lose its soul, good reputation and the average swede will be more immoral in general. The only thing I can see eye to eye with them is being tougher on crime except the part where I do not believe in judging based on skincolor or voice. I think the SD have even argued with their youth group over the Palestine conflict. They do not even seem to agree wether they hate jews or muslims. Any study made by them is untrustworthy but if something was just highlighted by them then it could be trustworthy.
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Seraphim
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posted February 01, 2013 05:44 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 17:45, 01 Feb 2013.
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Seraphim, you can not reverse globalism, you can only modify it to a point. What you suggest is like trying to stay as tribes in the age of nation states. You'll be economically and politically consumed.
I believe it is possible. The way the european countries are heading, they will pretty much end up as being isolationist.
The shift of focus will transfer to China and europe will end up in the stone age compared to the developments of China and Japan.
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