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MoS gets advantage when water mastery is unlocked, as then every additional CB (that turn) will give +2 mithril. And there are tons of water CB to be taken in one turn.

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Salamandre said:

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Look, my approach is that end game day should not be the ultimate goal. It wasn't mine when I imagined the 4 factions, but how to diversify game play and offer another angle for each. Funny enough, while MoS was expected to be first finishing, tests gave MoE first because of teleporters.

Then of course MoW is for lazy and narcissistic people, get mithril from thin air then convert 50 towns to inferno and become ultimate god.

So imo shouldn't be ranked on who finish first pattern, anyway it wasn't my design.

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Salamandre said:

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And I really appreciate your comments, I am flattered when someone puts some work into describing or playing my maps, given how much work I already put in.

Just one suggestion, don't cut sound in your videos, is a pity.  

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Salamandre said:

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MoS gets advantage when water mastery is unlocked, as then every additional CB (that turn) will give +2 mithril. And there are tons of water CB to be taken in one turn.

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Salamandre said:

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Yeah, using the oasis you can basically get infinite run that turn (tested?), as the program stores movement when get in boat then restores when land.

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Salamandre said:

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Never mind, I forgot the movement is increased until next fight, I get rusty. Was into the wrong idea that every time you land you can get the bonus. My bad.

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wasilix2 said:

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Salamandre said:

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Never mind, I forgot the movement is increased until next fight, I get rusty. Was into the wrong idea that every time you land you can get the bonus. My bad.

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That's ok! Happens even to the best of us

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Mures_ro said:

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wasilix2 said:

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Salamandre said:

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Never mind, I forgot the movement is increased until next fight, I get rusty. Was into the wrong idea that every time you land you can get the bonus. My bad.

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That's ok! Happens even to the best of us

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My game crashed due to HD upgrade while I was facing Ash in 4/1/6 MoW hell.Most likely I shall restart the game in Era 2 2.46.The question is:which faction is more "manly" to be played?So far,MoD is boring,MoW is too OP,MoE is easy,MoS has great bonuses...Some heroes are not leaving their walls (like Olema,just forgetfulness and job done),invaders can be easily killed by any secondary hero (unlike in Tew 3) and midgame,around almost all prisons you can find strong neutral units which help to level up the rookie quite decent.With some attention,I think MoW can be done in 4 months,converting towns is replacing teleport in a comfortable way.

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Salamandre said:

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Also I wonder if you guys take Arena every day. Once I get that stronghold, with every faction, I micromanage heroes around Commodus so his army is delivered every day to the Arena. Then using the extra ressources to buy mithril at the market.

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wasilix2 said:

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Mures_ro said:

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wasilix2 said:

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Salamandre said:

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Never mind, I forgot the movement is increased until next fight, I get rusty. Was into the wrong idea that every time you land you can get the bonus. My bad.

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That's ok! Happens even to the best of us

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My game crashed due to HD upgrade while I was facing Ash in 4/1/6 MoW hell.Most likely I shall restart the game in Era 2 2.46.The question is:which faction is more "manly" to be played?So far,MoD is boring,MoW is too OP,MoE is easy,MoS has great bonuses...Some heroes are not leaving their walls (like Olema,just forgetfulness and job done),invaders can be easily killed by any secondary hero (unlike in Tew 3) and midgame,around almost all prisons you can find strong neutral units which help to level up the rookie quite decent.With some attention,I think MoW can be done in 4 months,converting towns is replacing teleport in a comfortable way.

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After playing 3 factions so far (except MoD), I think that all factions I played are fairly simple/easy if played ok. The primary challenge, I think is the opening phase (up to maybe Dace), and then you either roll over everything or you do something wrong/play too slow.

Thus I can't really say which faction is more "manly" per se. You say MoW is too OP, and MoE is too easy. I'd say that MoS isn't much different.

I was much more resource starved as MoS in the beginning, but the fact that you have early access to logistics artifacts and admiral hats for all of your heroes helps a lot. Also it makes you progress much faster than with other factions unless you are willing to accept your heroes being idle, which is a challenge in itself (maybe except MoE after 2-1-1) because you have to be beating same heroes with a smaller army.

Funny thing, that at some point MoS becomes a real Master of Wealth. I read someone mention here, that MoW gets 3k or so of resources per day on month 6 as if it's a lot. MoS dwarfs it, I'm getting around 9k (or maybe even more now) per day on month 3. Also the mithril bonus allowed me to save a lot of mithril on devils and start using demons on galthran (3-3-1) with fairly little mithril spent to increase damage of devils up to that point. Needless to say, that all fights after that were utterly easy. With each other faction, I switched to demons only around Thunar (dude with 300k of dragon flies).

MoS so far though is my personal favourite. I don't consider fight difficulty though, because as I said, fights are very similar for all factions except maybe MoE has some more options which ultimately make fights even easier.

For me MoS strikes the perfect balance of micromanagement and speed. It allows you to get good results with the easiest micromanagement.

MoE can be much faster, but this speed comes at the cost of having to juggle teleports, which is an extremely tedious task, and I'd personally only play it either without much teleport abuse or trying to beat the current best result being something like 2-4-3. In theory, you can move for free by just setting teleports on your hero and in a cell nearby and using a teleport to cover this 1-cell distance. Meaning that you will only have to spend movement points on objects and maybe fights. Probably possible to finish on something like 2-1-7, but who in their right mind would be doing something like this?

On another hand, loading and developing all of your heroes is harder on MoW, because they are just too slow to do many meaningful things and swap for someone else in the same turn. MoS heroes start running like crazy next day after you release them from the prison (at least 6k movement points for the slowest of the slow).

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Mures_ro said:

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wasilix2 said:

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Mures_ro said:

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wasilix2 said:

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Salamandre said:

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Never mind, I forgot the movement is increased until next fight, I get rusty. Was into the wrong idea that every time you land you can get the bonus. My bad.

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That's ok! Happens even to the best of us

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My game crashed due to HD upgrade while I was facing Ash in 4/1/6 MoW hell.Most likely I shall restart the game in Era 2 2.46.The question is:which faction is more "manly" to be played?So far,MoD is boring,MoW is too OP,MoE is easy,MoS has great bonuses...Some heroes are not leaving their walls (like Olema,just forgetfulness and job done),invaders can be easily killed by any secondary hero (unlike in Tew 3) and midgame,around almost all prisons you can find strong neutral units which help to level up the rookie quite decent.With some attention,I think MoW can be done in 4 months,converting towns is replacing teleport in a comfortable way.

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After playing 3 factions so far (except MoD), I think that all factions I played are fairly simple/easy if played ok. The primary challenge, I think is the opening phase (up to maybe Dace), and then you either roll over everything or you do something wrong/play too slow.

Thus I can't really say which faction is more "manly" per se. You say MoW is too OP, and MoE is too easy. I'd say that MoS isn't much different.

I was much more resource starved as MoS in the beginning, but the fact that you have early access to logistics artifacts and admiral hats for all of your heroes helps a lot. Also it makes you progress much faster than with other factions unless you are willing to accept your heroes being idle, which is a challenge in itself (maybe except MoE after 2-1-1) because you have to be beating same heroes with a smaller army.

Funny thing, that at some point MoS becomes a real Master of Wealth. I read someone mention here, that MoW gets 3k or so of resources per day on month 6 as if it's a lot. MoS dwarfs it, I'm getting around 9k (or maybe even more now) per day on month 3. Also the mithril bonus allowed me to save a lot of mithril on devils and start using demons on galthran (3-3-1) with fairly little mithril spent to increase damage of devils up to that point. Needless to say, that all fights after that were utterly easy. With each other faction, I switched to demons only around Thunar (dude with 300k of dragon flies).

MoS so far though is my personal favourite. I don't consider fight difficulty though, because as I said, fights are very similar for all factions except maybe MoE has some more options which ultimately make fights even easier.

For me MoS strikes the perfect balance of micromanagement and speed. It allows you to get good results with the easiest micromanagement.

MoE can be much faster, but this speed comes at the cost of having to juggle teleports, which is an extremely tedious task, and I'd personally only play it either without much teleport abuse or trying to beat the current best result being something like 2-4-3. In theory, you can move for free by just setting teleports on your hero and in a cell nearby and using a teleport to cover this 1-cell distance. Meaning that you will only have to spend movement points on objects and maybe fights. Probably possible to finish on something like 2-1-7, but who in their right mind would be doing something like this?

On another hand, loading and developing all of your heroes is harder on MoW, because they are just too slow to do many meaningful things and swap for someone else in the same turn. MoS heroes start running like crazy next day after you release them from the prison (at least 6k movement points for the slowest of the slow).

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I enjoyed all factions,I was quoting what people said about them here(So Valery,I didn't intend to offend you,your maps are the only reason I keep playing ERA).Some early strats are more handy to some factions than others(MoD is able to fight cave of gods in 1/2/6,getting the resources for air upgrade - not sure about MoS;killing Pasis in 1/2/7,just like MoE and so on...).Sorry to disappoint you but MoE doesn't work that way (i.e. to finish the map in 2/1/7);I remember Mr. Green was finishing the map with MoE in 3/3/3,the pictures with the progress of his play are still  on this forum.A real challenge can be if you can find a faction to win WITHOUT farming demons...but I guess it's enough stress with the speedrun

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