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Corribus
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posted September 10, 2013 05:42 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
This was a discussion between John Kerry(D) and Rand Paul(R) over the proposition of military intervention. The president & co. have been making a lot of calls and holding a lot of conferences over the weekend to prep up for it. It looks like the debate is splitting the party lines pretty heavily.
If you look at the last several times Congress has voted on a military strike (going back to Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama, almost every time the vote has been split almost perfectly down party lines. What does that tell you? That the decision about whether or not to strike another country with lethal force has been for some time motivated only by politics. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?
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posted September 10, 2013 09:47 AM |
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Edited by Smithey at 09:47, 10 Sep 2013.
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You're not reading correctly Mvass, I didnt say there are no energy solutions, I said "There are no energy solutions that will work as greed takes precedence over everything else"...
People only take without giving back, the greed is killing everything except for them pockets, there are many solutions available to many problems but none of them are being used coz they're not profitable.
Humans are short-minded beings who coz of their selfish nature dont care much about the future, it's all about "carpe diem" and "you only live once" and so the cancer will keep spreading untill there's that ohh shi* moment, and our superiority complex makes us believe that we can solve everything so "why worry about tomorrow when we can have fun today"...
"smart people solve problems, wise men prevent them from happening" and we certainly arent wise men hence its the mighty dollar we'll keep chasing and not the betterness of the world.. untill it's too late that is...
All your solutions are nice in theory and work wonders in the ponyland but in our world corporations run things and its not the better world they're after but maximizing firms profits and those two dont go hand in hand one with the other...
The only way to stop cancer from growing is to cut it out.. but we got a bit off topic so Im gonna stop here, apologies to the OP...
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markkur
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posted September 10, 2013 10:02 AM |
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Edited by markkur at 10:03, 10 Sep 2013.
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Corribus said:
... That the decision about whether or not to strike another country with lethal force has been for some time motivated only by politics. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?
No. But the real reason for the constant split, I don't think obvious, do you? I think it must be some party-base (support) like Oil or business-ties (Arms)or both. And...to me, this seems always to happen surrounding fear in the Mid-East.
Related: Both the U.S. and Russia "say" they want World Peace and all the while both are constantly selling "the Arts of War" to the Sabre-rattlers. That's about as sensible as passing out bazookas and flame-throwers to a neighborhood in constant turmoil and telling them to get along.
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Fauch
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posted September 10, 2013 05:21 PM |
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Smithey said:
All your solutions are nice in theory and work wonders in the ponyland but in our world corporations run things and its not the better world they're after but maximizing firms profits and those two dont go hand in hand one with the other...
the problem would be to find the right incentives. it can clearly be much more profitable to abuse people than to do good. of course you can not expect to reach positions of power by doing good (in the sense of dominating others, not in the sense of having high responsibilities) so there should be some other reward.
so it seems Hollande is considering a vote at the parliament. he probably doesn't want to appear too undemocratic, but he probably wants to be sure the parliament will approve him first.
what happens if parliament says no but Obama starts the war anyway?
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smithey
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posted September 10, 2013 05:30 PM |
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I dont think he will start a war without the support of the congress, and if they say no, its a huge hit to his reputation coz its basically like saying "nobody has your back BO" 
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posted September 10, 2013 05:41 PM |
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I was talking about french parliament. would Hollande go to war anyway? it's not like this guy could get ashamed of anything, could he?
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posted September 10, 2013 05:41 PM |
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Smithey, so you think humans are so greedy and short-sighted that - what? That resource prices wouldn't rise as they become more scarce? If humans are as greedy as you say, the opposite would be true. Are they so short-sighted that they wouldn't have fewer children as they become wealthier? Western Europe is empirical evidence to the contrary.
I know being cynical and calling for the death of over half of the human race may sound cool, but it really isn't.
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smithey
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posted September 10, 2013 06:12 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Smithey, so you think humans are so greedy and short-sighted that - what? That resource prices wouldn't rise as they become more scarce? If humans are as greedy as you say, the opposite would be true. Are they so short-sighted that they wouldn't have fewer children as they become wealthier? Western Europe is empirical evidence to the contrary.
I know being cynical and calling for the death of over half of the human race may sound cool, but it really isn't.
When resources become more scarce (lets say only 10 ore is left) it doesnt mean people will say "wait, we need to stop this before its too late and we're left with no resources at all" instead the prices will indeed rise and those willing/capable to pay will buy the last pieces of that resource -> Resource depleted.. Which is what I was saying bro, we take and take without thinking of the future and without giving back..
If you cut down a tree and plant another you're keeping things balanced, if you just keep cutting down trees without planting any, you are destroying your own planet, eating everything like a cancer...
Western Europen people has fewer kids coz of the mentality, career + 1-2 kids is the norm and then they pay 40% taxes to support the non-westerners who are dropping 7 kids without paying taxes... Which is a whole different topic, but you just wait and see as Western Europe gets eaten alive by foreigners.. Western europe is facing extinction but they're too blind to see it coz of their Moral compass....
Dude, it has nothing to do with being cool, couldnt care about all that, Im just saying it the way it is, we will not stop untill its too late to stop it is our nature...
All worlds problems can be solved (hunger, wars, etc)... But nobody wants them solved coz there is no profit in that...
Strong Africa ? How we gonna get them diamonds and oil then ?
Peace in middle east ? How we gonna take that arab oil if we have no reason to be there ?
Third world countries ? How we gonna outsource our shi* ?
Cure for diseases ? yeah sure, if you pay us billions...
Come on mvass, you're talking theory not real world
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smithey
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posted September 10, 2013 06:16 PM |
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Fauch said:
I was talking about french parliament. would Hollande go to war anyway? it's not like this guy could get ashamed of anything, could he?
My bad.. frankly had no idea French are suuposed to go in at all, was sure its all about USA/UK/Qatar/Russia playing war games
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posted September 10, 2013 06:18 PM |
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posted September 11, 2013 01:00 AM |
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Edited by seraphim at 02:36, 11 Sep 2013.
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smithey said:
Western Europen people has fewer kids coz of the mentality, career + 1-2 kids is the norm and then they pay 40% taxes to support the non-westerners who are dropping 7 kids without paying taxes... Which is a whole different topic, but you just wait and see as Western Europe gets eaten alive by foreigners.. Western europe is facing extinction but they're too blind to see it coz of their Moral compass....
To each their woes. Its funny to see people get upset because their govs are not doing what you or your national compadres want.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa6ej3OfBhs
I know its far fetched and the callers do have valid points, but still. It might cause more discussions, maybe in another thread.
He does make some valid points,
It is quite ridiculous to ask foreigners to respect the foreign country they are in when in fact they are there only for self interest. There is no law that forces anyone to respect ones culture.
Human rights are rights, not laws. If some people want to live in "cages", they can if they consent to.
That is why there are sharia communities in various western countries.
Are they a positive development? I don't think so.
And as for making use of welfare, smithey, its called being smart and making use of free money.
If you make a system that is prone to abuse, it will be abused. Its a faulty system but that does not mean that it does not work or does not do its job. I don't know how law making works, but maybe make welfare time limited, like only for 12-18 months. That would force people to find a job before their welfare expires.
And as for Syria, maybe instead of so many countries screaming about war or non-intervention, why not open up the borders and be the angels they pretend to be. Heck, at least sending some food supplies and tents for refugees would be good.
Well, Bama and Putin agreed that Russia take Syrias chem weapons. So the "Rebels" who I still don't know who they are, what their numbers are and who provides command and control for them, seem to be in dire difficulties now.
I feel bad for Syria because it has the area with high historic value.
Babylon comes to my mind.
Now I womder why Syria never developed a tourism industry, but that might have to do something with the destroyed monuments.
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markkur
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posted September 11, 2013 05:25 AM |
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 , Kerry has his most superior Diplomatic moment and it was an accident.
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Fauch
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posted September 12, 2013 12:44 AM |
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btw, am I the only one here who linked this subject to 9/11?
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