Smithey said:

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Im walking into a building and I notice a girl (few steps away) so I hold the door for her (so it wouldnt slam in her face), she calls me a sexist pig...

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Corribus said:

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Sometimes you just gotta shake your head and sigh.

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Tsar-Ivor said:

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Is the term "Dutch Courage" politically correct? I was reading some quotes from judges and it seemed like quite a prejudicial phrase, that Dutch people only have courage when drunk, (I can attest to that, but still) or am I getting the wrong idea?

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Nocturnal said:

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And, on a side note, I recommend you to read your thread's title putting yourself in a raped woman's place. It's horrendous that people use this word, which stands for a nightmarish experience that ruin people's psychology, this easily.

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artu said:

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about reacting to the use of the word rape as a figure of speech, I dont know if to call that oversensitive to the point of naive or politically correct to the point of absurd but in both cases it is abysmal. Words like kill, rape, destroy etc.. will always have metaphorical usage in any language. Needless to say, to get killed is even worse than getting raped but if you take out phrases and metaphors containing the word kill from any language, you might as well cross off half of its richness. It's mindless stuff like this that makes people repelled from the mentality and turns them away from reconsidering their stance in situations where they can indeed be more sensitive.

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Salamandre said:

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heh, rape became mistreat. With all respect, sorry guys/mods, this is ridiculous. Please read artu's post on previous page, it says all you need to know about.

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Avirosb said:

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Again, saying things like "[Insert game here] killed my family" is a moronic thing to do, not because it's oh so offensive but because one comes off as a crass tryhard with zero originality.

Kind of like Ubi

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artu said:

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Zero originality isnt something the mods edit and "X game killed my family" is quite a dysfunctional metaphor.

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Avirosb said:

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Well so is "[developer] you-know-what'd this franchise".

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artu said:

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Nope. It's quite ordinary but it's functional. Actually, it's ordinary enough to be considered a dead metaphor.

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Avirosb said:

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Wait, so does metaphors have to make sense or not?
Because I'm pretty sure something as intangible as a franchise would not be able to either consent or dissent.

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artu said:

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It's the action that is being associated with another action and they are functionally analogous, when you talk about a killer movie, you are not talking about a subject that can commit murder, do you? Symbolism doesnt work that way. I'm sure you are aware of this on an intuitive level, when someone says "the company raped the merchandise" it is quite clear to anyone that rape means, they screwed it up harshly and on a level that caused great disapproval.

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Salamandre said:

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On the practical side, we have a CoC. Then we have censored words. Rape is not censored and in this context it was not offensive.

If mods start to add their own rules, we will have soon unintelligible posts, like: I snowed her, but the snow didn't want to snowball my snowberry. Hopefully her snowbird snowbrushed my snowy snowbush, and finally we could snowier some snowflakes, out of any snowploughs.

Just sayin'.

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Galaad said:

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I don't think is that. Out of the 3 first pages of the threads, two people did complain about the naming, and the thread's title still remains intelligible.

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artu said:

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That doesnt mean anything when the complaints are based on an absurd premise. If I talk about the punch line of a joke and someone complains that the word punch is offensive to victims of a beating, the mods shouldnt act upon it.

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Galaad said:

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Well I agree some people can be over-sensitive, but should mods ignore them ? Plus the word MISTREAT keeping caps lock ships good enough the message, imo.

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artu said:

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Galaad said:

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Well I agree some people can be over-sensitive, but should mods ignore them?

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Yes.

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Avirosb said:

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artu said:

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It's the action that is being associated with another action and they are functionally analogous, when you talk about a killer movie, you are not talking about a subject that can commit murder, do you? Symbolism doesnt work that way. I'm sure you are aware of this on an intuitive level, when someone says "the company raped the merchandise" it is quite clear to anyone that rape means, they screwed it up harshly and on a level that caused great disapproval.

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We don't have an equivalent of that in my language, which I'm kinda glad for.

Overuse of certain words for the sake of being edgy only serve to desensitize, and in turn trivialize serious matters.

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artu said:

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Avirosb said:

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Overuse of certain words for the sake of being edgy only serve to desensitize, and in turn trivialize serious matters.

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That is creating a problem out of nothing. Once again:

artu said:

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And about reacting to the use of the word rape as a figure of speech, I dont know if to call that oversensitive to the point of naive or politically correct to the point of absurd but in both cases it is abysmal. Words like kill, rape, destroy etc.. will always have metaphorical usage in any language. Needless to say, to get killed is even worse than getting raped but if you take out phrases and metaphors containing the word kill from any language, you might as well cross off half of its richness. It's mindless stuff like this that makes people repelled from the mentality and turns them away from reconsidering their stance in situations where they can indeed be more sensitive.

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There is not a single person on this earth who would be more sensitive to the action of rape, had the word not been used as a figure of speech.

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Avirosb said:

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artu said:

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That is creating a problem out of nothing.

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Happens all the time but gradually.

artu said:

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There is not a single person on this earth who would be more sensitive to the action of rape, had the word not been used as a figure of speech.

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That's what I'm saying, thanks to figure of speech most people are now okay with it.

Also, killing is pretty much universal and pretty much a requirement.
We kill animals for food, we don't like intruding insect or vermin,
we kill to inadvertently prevent overconsumption and overpopulation, etc.

Rape has none of those advantages, only the offender benefits from the deed.

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artu said:

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Read the sentence again, that's not what I said, and to claim people are less sensitive to the action because the word is used in a figurative way is just as meaningless as banning it.

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Nocturnal said:

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It's absurd that people can try to justify things that are wrong in an obvious way. To get killed and be raped is not in the same category. Everyone dies. Everyone can get killed by someone. But rape? Most (%91) of the people that are raped are women and nearly all (%99) of the rapists are male. And only men use the word rape in sentences in this way like the title of this thread. Men do it to women, ruin their lives and then use it in casual sentences like it is this light word. This is, of course, again because of sexism. No naivety or absurd oversensitivity here, it is a simple act of sexism. The use of this word in this way when nearly all women experience some kind of sexual assault in action or words in their lives, when it is found that, nearly 20% of all women surffer rape or attempted rape sometime in their life and when it is also estimated that only 1 in 7 rapes are being reported, this kind of justification can only be called cold-blooded. Your logic of comparing "kill" and "rape" would only be right if only women died and men were immortal. Then the use of the word "kill" in this casual way would also be sexism. Your, as a male, calling this irritation this word causes on responsible citizens "oversensitive" can only be translated as "yeah, men rape, get over it"

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Salamandre said:

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Nocturnal, your problem is that you run for authority first, and think second, if ever. I am sure the poster would have quickly agree to change its title if you simply asked, saying it hurts you.

But no, you choose to ignore the multiple definitions of "rape" -check dictionaries if in doubt, you can learn at any age- then focus only on the definition which hurts you. The word isn't even used as metaphor or speech form, it is correctly used.

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Avirosb said:

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artu said:

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Read the sentence again, that's not what I said, and to claim people are less sensitive to the action because the word is used in a figurative way is just as meaningless as banning it.

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Or contesting it.

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Avirosb said:

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Salamandre said:

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The word isn't even used as metaphor or speech form, it is correctly used.

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Meh, the franchise liked it.

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Salamandre said:

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ok avirosb, because you just like to argue for nothing, lets end it. Please check then tell us: the use of rape word here is fitting:

1st or 2nd definition? (you can choose another dictionary if you want)

Then we are done.

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Nocturnal said:

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Salamandre said:

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Nocturnal, your problem is that you run for authority first, and think second, if ever. I am sure the poster would have quickly agree to change its title if you simply asked, saying it hurts you.

But no, you choose to ignore the multiple definitions of "rape" -check dictionaries if in doubt, you can learn at any age- then focus only on the definition which hurts you. The word isn't even used as metaphor or speech form, it is correctly used.

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It is not me, dear Sal. I was not raped and I'm a male. For 3 years now, you haven't been able to understand that I don't only respond to things that hurt me but to every discriminating action, all of which you have embraced lovingly for all these years.

As an objection to the only-male objections here:

Here is an article from a writer that was raped. Trailer: It starts with saying "Using the word "rape" to describe anything other than the act of sexual violence is not only wrong, it is irresponsible."

A raped writer's article: "Stop Saying 'Rape' Out of Context"

And here is an article from a writer that is not talking about her own experience but the children in India.

The article "By trivialising the word 'rape', we endanger all women"

If you still can't see why this is wrong, I'm sorry, that's your personal problem you have to solve.

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GenyaArikado said:

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Im glad they changed the title. While rape may have grown to have other meanings, using such a strong word to talk about something so...relative feels idiotic.

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Avirosb said:

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Bringing up the word in any other than its intended context during everyday conversation would definitely be considered a faux pas where I'm from.

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Salamandre said:

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And where I am from "rape" is translated by "viol". Or "viol" is also a powerful literary word which is over used in all artworks, it meaning is similar to english "violated".

So, before everyone spurts like a damsel, you should understand that this forum is not essentially english, people may use english words which seem to them appropriate, thus don't playing offensive and run for authority first, but talk directly and explain. As I said, I am sure the poster would have agree to change. You didn't even ask, you accused first.

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Avirosb said:

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Salamandre said:

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So, before everyone spurts like a damsel, you should understand that this forum is not essentially english, people may use english words which seem to them appropriate, thus don't playing offensive and run for authority first, but talk directly and explain. As I said, I am sure the poster would have agree to change. You didn't even ask, you accused first.

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People who to them doesn't English well should take double action try not come off as offensive so much.

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artu said:

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nocturnal said:

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It's absurd that people can try to justify things that are wrong in an obvious way. To get killed and be raped is not in the same category. Everyone dies. Everyone can get killed by someone. But rape? Most (%91) of the people that are raped are women and nearly all (%99) of the rapists are male. And only men use the word rape in sentences in this way like the title of this thread. Men do it to women, ruin their lives and then use it in casual sentences like it is this light word. This is, of course, again because of sexism. No naivety or absurd oversensitivity here, it is a simple act of sexism. The use of this word in this way when nearly all women experience some kind of sexual assault in action or words in their lives, when it is found that, nearly 20% of all women surffer rape or attempted rape sometime in their life and when it is also estimated that only 1 in 7 rapes are being reported, this kind of justification can only be called cold-blooded. Your logic of comparing "kill" and "rape" would only be right if only women died and men were immortal. Then the use of the word "kill" in this casual way would also be sexism. Your, as a male, calling this irritation this word causes on responsible citizens "oversensitive" can only be translated as "yeah, men rape, get over it"

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That is quite illogical on many levels. The action itself and the word used as a figure of speech (although it has other meanings as well, for arguments sake, let's say the sexual one is or should be the only meaning) are irrelevant things, in terms of sensitivity. People don't normalize the act of sexual rape, when the word is used metaphorically, there is absolutely nothing suggesting such a causality. And the crime mainly being gender specific has nothing to do with the issue either, what then, if I say "the company sure works his employees like they are slaves,"  should black people be offended? This is not sensitivity, this is mixing apples and oranges on a very primary level. How about torture? Not everybody goes through torture, in fact, I'm quite positive, even less people are tortured, than raped, should I not say "the new Heroes game was so bad, it was a torture trying to play it!" How about animals, I love dogs but I can use the word in a pejorative way when talking about someone who's sucking up to his superiors. Is that insensitive?

There is nothing obvious(-ly wrong) about any of your presumed relationships between use of figurative speech and crime rates. Btw, if you additionally presume I am insensitive to women's issues just because I read the context when it comes to metaphors, you can check the threads and my posts about feminism itself on this very site. Nobody has to walk on egg-shells about figurative speech, just because you are trying to invent new ways to be able to act self-righteous.

Edit: And when it comes to the article, the real problem is not figurative speech but the patriarchal norms in India, I think it would be much wiser to focus on this part rather than some person writing "they played so bad my ears got practically raped" on his blog:

Indeed, the leader of one of India's political parties, Abu Azmi, recently said: "Women should not venture out with men who are not relatives. What is the need for roaming at night with men who are not relatives? This should be stopped. Such incidents [as the Delhi gang-rape] happen due to influence of western culture."

Mumbai Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh angered many earlier this year, after a 22-year-old photographer was raped in Mumbai, by suggesting that a "promiscuous culture" that allows kissing in public made the city less safe for women.

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dark-whisperer said:

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This whole thing is driven to absurdity.
Like it or not that word IS used for other meanings then sexual in everyday language. Its imperative to look for meaning beyond words.
If you get offended just by seeing four letters in particular order without taking into account what person that has written that had in mind (and it very, very clear that it had absolutely no sexual context)is immature and its putting blame where there is not one.
Its case like feminists being offended by Dr Matt Taylor’s shirt. At the end it made them look petty, it diverted and diminish attention from real problems that women experience every day and it was detrimental to the true feminist movement.
When you have honorable intentions its very important to react only when its truly needed and then do it with full force otherwise you just dilute core cause.
Pick your fights and react when substance of word is intolerable not form of it.

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Nocturnal said:

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What a gang.

You both are ignoring everything other people say and until now many people objected to the use of the word starting from the first page. The title is changed. And still...

Anyway, as the title has changed, this subject has nothing to do with this thread. Open a new one about it in OSM if you want. I sure won't step into OSM ever again.

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artu said:

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@Nocturnal

Okay, fine by me if we drop it but I havent ignored anything you said, I addressed them one by one, so dont accuse me of that when you are the one who hasnt replied to any of the questions. And mods changing the title is part of what we were objecting to, so I see no point in presenting it as proof of anything.

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alcibiades said:

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I changed the word in the title because I disliked it myself, and because kiryu expressed the same opinion, but there's no need to make a huge discussion out of it. I know the original word has come to mean many different things in online talk, but that does not change the fact that the original word describes an extremely unpleasant action and was quite unnecessary to convey the message of this thread, so I didn't see a point in having it plastered in capital letters all over the front page.

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Sal said:

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I don't know guys, it seems to me a minority of people enjoy or specifically seek for confrontations about really petty things, just to show how self-righteous they are. When I read that title, my mind didn't one second make the link with sexual aspect, because my mind read the word before then the word after, and once the phrase is entirely read, the meaning comes. For me, the translation was: look how they hurt my beloved game, where hurt is suggested by a strong word, to show the user hopeless.

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