|
| Thread: Should public education be illegal? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
Minion
Legendary Hero
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:02 AM |
|
|
Because you obviously believe that conditions of slums are comparative scientific evidence for the rest of the worlds education - I have nothing else to say to you.
____________
"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:16 AM |
|
|
So why would public schools be better and more affordable than private schools in non-slum areas? Is there anything supporting that view?
____________
Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
|
|
Minion
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:31 AM |
|
|
You are the one with the claim, so you need to prove your point. If you think that what happens in Africa is comparable to our system, I don't know what to say. I mean if that is your argument?
http://www.livescience.com/2575-study-public-schools-good-private-schools.html
____________
"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:34 AM |
|
|
Education should be a right, not a privilege.
Banning Public Schools is all but a stupid idea, imo
____________
|
|
idontcare
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:37 AM |
|
|
Has any of you a school form in your land which is for "bad" students?
we, the germans have, and i just can tell you its the worst idea in educationhistory.
there you have students, where its not even diced, rather forced by the parents, that they receive terribad education.
So in a sense, from german perspective, private schools are not lowcost, but high-money-efficient in comparison to the normal schoolsystem.
Since with some grades of our schools you can only wipe your ass.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 12:39 AM |
|
|
Adrius said:
It's the kids who are less fortunate that need to be looked after. In a private world of schooling they'll get the lower end of the deal just for having the misfortune in a dice roll of destiny.
I don't consider that fair.
Maybe I don't consider redistribution to be fair.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 01:18 AM |
|
|
Fair to the children or your wallet?
____________
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 02:59 AM |
|
|
There's only one kind of fairness. What have these kids done to earn my money?
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
idontcare
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 03:03 AM |
|
|
What have YOU done to earn your education?
It's called generationcontract bro
|
|
Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 04:22 AM |
|
Edited by Corribus at 04:22, 13 Nov 2013.
|
There is so much wrong with the public education system in the US right now, I'm not sure where I'd even start. That said, I'm not sure abandoning it altogether is the answer. Still, I'd listen to arguments in favor of it with at least an open mind.
____________
I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
|
|
Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 04:32 AM |
|
|
You could easily get the benefits of both by simply making it an auction. The government awards money to private schools which compete. Then you get rid of government bureaucracy and efficiency and introduce competition, while maintaining the fairness of free education.
My opinion on the government is every function which can be privatized, should be. The government sucks at everything.
____________
I wish I were employed by a stupendous paragraph, with capitalized English words and expressions.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 04:32 AM |
|
|
idontcare said:
It's called generationcontract bro
How can I be bound by a contract I didn't agree to?
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
idontcare
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 04:54 AM |
|
|
@mvassilev: in exactly the same way you are bound to laws which you probably didnt agreed to 
And, sry to use my name, I dont care who you are, without some kind of fairness-system you probably wouldnt be where you are by now.
So now complaining about the system which enabled your way of live seems pretty (k)nitty sir.
|
|
Celfious
Promising
Legendary Hero
From earth
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 04:56 AM |
|
|
There are some things that should be illegal in public.
I am not thinking school is one of them though.
____________
What are you up to
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 05:03 AM |
|
|
I'm "bound" by laws I didn't agree to only in the sense that if I violate them, the government will use force on me to bring me into line. There's a difference between being bound by an agreement you take on voluntarily, and being bound by the threat of force by others.Quote:
So now complaining about the system which enabled your way of live seems pretty (k)nitty sir.
Whether I benefited from it is irrelevant. You can benefit from something unjust and still call for its abolition. If the government is stealing from people and giving to me, it's not invalid or bad for me to want it to stop.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 05:27 AM |
|
|
Since you're paying your taxes, you do agree to it.
What does this thread want to argue? Publicly organised or privately organised schooling? Publicly or Privately funded schooling? Seems to me Xerox only wants to ban publicly funded schooling, people seem to be mxing this up somewhat.
We've had the same discussion before, I don't quite remember where it was though.
The problem a lot of the people have here, I would assume, is that if you ban tax funded schools you are making schooling unattainable to the low income society. How would you solve this problem?
Let's assume you somehow circumvent that problem. Would you still keep the old education laws that make education obligatory? This would mean low income families with kids would be looking for cheaper and cheaper options to get out of this obligation. This will lead to all kinds of organisations popping up offering "schooling", some more and some less questionable, you'll propably have a few radical terrorist groups and child labour contractors in the mix with the human aid organisations. Now you need to establish proper regulations and surveillance to keep a certain minimum level of education.
Without delving into this any further, your lowest class of society can't afford to school their kids and some will rely on the aid organisations to do so. This is the US model for welfare btw.
Or you've made schooling obligatory in the law, which means the rest who can't rely on aid organisations are practically driven out of the society(assuming you're banning those questionable organisations). There's not really much you can do those punish people who have nothing. Fine them, jail them, all the same. They don't have the means to school their kids, punishing them is not going to invent those means.
Solve this problem first, then we can go into discussing the class sociaty effects it will undeniably have.
Of course, I've assumed the schools need to provide the learning materials in all these cases. If you want the studets to buy the textbooks or wear school uniforms, that's way too much even if the schools themselves are free.
BTW. Finland does have a fully functional private school sector. The thing is, no one has found it worthwhile to compete with the regular public school system when it comes to mass education. As such the private school are specialised schools: international schools for diplomats' children, schools focused more on arts and extra curriculars, etc.
That said, top ten highschools(if looking at the GPAs and Matriculation exam total scores in light of the admitted students) in Finland are all public schools.
Oh and homeschooling is legal too.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 05:35 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Since you're paying your taxes, you do agree to it.
I'm forced to pay taxes too. The government doesn't look favorably upon tax evaders.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 05:44 AM |
|
|
You might not want to do that in this thread. You're well familiar with the concepts of social contracts.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 05:48 AM |
|
|
|
No public schools will mean that lower classes wont be able to afford proper education, that will reduce social mobility; poor will get poorer, rich will get richer on a massive scale. So the -eventually oppressed- masses will either attempt an uprising (not to mention crime rates) or you will have to control them with a police-state with very strict laws and authoritarian rule, which is the opposite effect of what you aim for. Massive levels of social inequality and freedom can not co-exist for long. There's a reason why modern states "softened" into the 20th century models on matters of welfare and public funding, leaving behind 19th Century wild capitalism. Welfare isnt just welfare, it's also insurance.
|
|
idontcare
Known Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2013 06:06 AM |
|
|
while welfare exists, the american dream without dumb luck is impossible to live through for a poor children.
You are born poor -> you live poor.
Exceptions only reinforce the rule.
So fixing the school system is not the way i would choose, id rather drill the parents to plain the way for their children, not the other way around (getting 10 childrens with names like Mike, Ike, Mik and then let them gather)
|
|
|
|
