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Negas5
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posted January 29, 2014 11:36 PM |
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Doom Town Idea.
First of all, I'm new to the forums, so...Hello, everybody, hope I can have a great time with you, guys. n_n
Well, to the topic.
I don't know anything about Creature Creating with the tools, and don't even know anything about programming (I'm only 14 years old), the .def's, and how to use the tools, or how to use and edit the ERM, maybe I'll check later on the forums, so I can learn a bit.
I had an idea, once, some days ago, while I was playing Doom II on XBLA. I thinked that the models of the creatures could be used in Heroes III, and even thinked a bit about them, like if they were parte of Heroes III, and that's what I want to share with you, guys, the idea of the new forces of Hell.
First of all, one of the main issues (other than programming and creature creation), is selecting which creatures would make for town alignment, considering that there are many creatures in the world of Doom.
First of all, thinked about the first, second and seventh level creatures (although I don't know which creature could be good for Lv. 8).
Lost Souls, with their upgrade as Forgotten Souls, could be Lv. 1. Weak, but fast, pretty much like Pixies and Sprites.
Imps and Nightmare Imps could be the 2nd level creatures, but the name of the Imps can be a problem, considering that they share names with the 1st level creatures of the actual Inferno.
And for the 7th, the CyberDemon. Or that would be the upgraded 7th. Normal 7th could be a SuperDemon, like a CyberDemon, but without the mechanic stuff, without rocket launcher. Like a Giant, compared to a Titan. 
And, well, I can't think of any more things, or every creature's stats, but I'm pretty much welcome to your ideas, since it was my idea to share this with you, and with pleasure I'll listen to your opinions about my idea.
Thanks, everybody. c:
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fred79
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posted January 29, 2014 11:49 PM |
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it's a lot of work to create a town. many people have tried and given up, others have made towns that weren't "successful".
but don't let that stop you from accomplishing your idea. i myself am working on a Fear faction, with creatures that i'll be making in 3d, once i learn 3d. my Fear faction has been slowly coming along for a year now, as i work on it myself. there are people here who, if your idea is good enough, can work as a team to help you. there are plenty of people here to help you through any questions you may have as well.
most people here switch out what they want with pre-existing towns and creatures, as it is easier that way. i will be switching out the devil and archdevil with the Diablo creatures from Diablo 1 and 2, for my personal use. many others do the same thing. there are how-to's posted in the WoG forum on how to do pretty much anything, modding-wise.
and, welcome to the community.
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Negas5
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posted January 30, 2014 12:00 AM |
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Thanks for the reply and the motivation, Fred, I'll look forward to the idea, and will think about the stats, check some tutorials for .def editing, and anything else I need.
By the way, loved your object patch, the only things that concerned me in your object patch were...uhm...the 'nude' girls. Not the pixies, but the chained girls.
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fred79
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posted January 30, 2014 12:07 AM |
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yeah, those were from Diablo, as well. i pulled a handful of stuff from those 2 games, so far. many of the nude prisoners were just training for making regular nude women for the adventure map. i will be making a "lady of the lake", women washing themselves in ponds, etc. the nude prisoners were only because that's what nudity i started with. i made a nude pixie, as well. it's in my object patch, you won't find it in the map objects. 
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Negas5
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posted January 30, 2014 12:13 AM |
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The lady of the lake sounds great, so do the women washing themselves on the ponds. Anyways, it is a great idea, adds more things to the maps, and gives them more 'interesting stuff', if you know what I mean...
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 30, 2014 04:55 AM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 04:56, 31 Jan 2014.
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Negas5 said:
the idea of the new forces of Hell.
I recommend you to start with creatures. It is not difficult (but time consuming) to take spritesheets of Doom creatures and make HMM3 DEFs.
You can try to compile all creatures from many Doom editions as neutrals.
I see at least several ready upgrades/degrades:
(link removed), goto to spriters-resource.com, for example
Arachnotron/Spider Mastermind
Cacodemon/Pain Elemental
Hell Knight/Baron of Hell
Cyberdemon/Mancubus
Former Human/Sargent
Beta Lost Soul/Lost Soul
Revenant/Arch Vile
If Zikkurat is really dead as Hobbit says, you can also ask Ban Breaker about using it's town screen for Doom Town:
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Trith
Adventuring Hero
Not a Hero... Just a... Nobody
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posted January 30, 2014 06:19 PM |
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Let me tell you one thing. Things like DOOM, F.E.A.R., StarCraft, Final Fantasy or Skyrim factions are bad-to-ridiculous ideas. I could elaborate on reasons of my point of view, but I won't, for now at least.
Just let me compare "I want to see my favourite game in my other favourite game" to a fanfic.
Would you read, for any other reason than laughs, a fanfiction about Gelu falling in love with Beyonce and them having a honeymoon trip to Oblivion? I personally wouldn't.
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Tyrem
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posted January 30, 2014 06:41 PM |
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Edited by Tyrem at 19:48, 30 Jan 2014.
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Trith said:
Let me tell you one thing. Things like DOOM, F.E.A.R., StarCraft, Final Fantasy or Skyrim factions are bad-to-ridiculous ideas. I could elaborate on reasons of my point of view, but I won't, for now at least.
Just let me compare "I want to see my favourite game in my other favourite game" to a fanfic.
Would you read, for any other reason than laughs, a fanfiction about Gelu falling in love with Beyonce and them having a honeymoon trip to Oblivion? I personally wouldn't.
I think "a fanfiction about Gelu falling in love with Beyonce and them having a honeymoon trip to Oblivion " its going of the point .
I wouldnt read that too . But again i would play with starcraft towns . They would blend in really good in the game . You're point of view its you're own opinion and nobody would stop you from not playing with SC towns if there were , but be sure others would play .And whats wrong in having a favourite game in another favourite one ? Dont tell you eat the same type of food every day and you're not switching to other favourite ones from time to time .
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Hobbit
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posted January 30, 2014 07:25 PM |
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Tyrem said:
think "a fanfiction about Gelu falling in love with Beyonce and them having a honeymoon trip to Oblivion " thats going of the point .
I wouldnt too . But again i would play with starcraft towns .
Oh, please... Are you serious...
Tyrem said:
You're point of view its you're own opinion and nobody would stop you from playing with SC towns if there were , but be sure others would play .
He just shared his own opinion with you.
Tyrem said:
And whats wrong in having a favourite game in another favaurite one ? Dont tell you eat the same type of food every day and you're not switching to other favourite ones from time to time .
If I want to switch from HoMM3 to Starcraft, I just play Starcraft.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted January 30, 2014 07:46 PM |
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Personally I never read that crap about MM universe or H3 original story and I played this game 100 times more than any of you (yeah, bad point for me all this time wasted )
If the guy wants a Doom town, let him do what he wants, is not like we talk high quality literature here, but some pseudo-crap story quickly made-up to sell a game before taxes strike in. He is 14 yo so chances that he will sit down and start a x hundreds hours work are so slim I can see through. Probably he already left the forum by now.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 30, 2014 07:49 PM |
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Salamandre said:
If the guy wants a Doom town, let him do what he wants
You silly, we can't ban anyone from doing what they want. It's just our, you know, OPINION.
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Salamandre
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posted January 30, 2014 07:57 PM |
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Having some weird-fantasy faction can be used within custom mods. After all, there is even a Stargate faction and it hurts nobody, as is used outside H3 universe, new objects, new creatures and such. Mixing is not necessary, so why not.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 30, 2014 08:22 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Personally I never read that crap about MM universe or H3 original story and I played this game 100 times more than any of you (yeah, bad point for me all this time wasted )
If the guy wants a Doom town, let him do what he wants, is not like we talk high quality literature here, but some pseudo-crap story quickly made-up to sell a game before taxes strike in.
Yeah, me neither. With games, I even skip the cinematics usually. I guess some people feel more "in the game" following the story and all.
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hippox89
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posted January 30, 2014 08:30 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 20:35, 30 Jan 2014.
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artu said:
I even skip the cinematics usually.
Cinematics are often also very expensive to make, and the money would, imho, be better put into making the actual game. But, of course, cinematics sell the game more often than the actual game content. It's something I rather not was true. In the future, people are not going to ask you: 'Was it fun playing the game?'. They're going to ask: 'Was it fun watching the game'?. /end off-topic
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Trith
Adventuring Hero
Not a Hero... Just a... Nobody
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posted January 30, 2014 09:36 PM |
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Stargate faction and it hurts nobody, as is used outside H3 universe, new objects, new creatures and such.
Whilst any other faction so far is not standalone and is an addition to original ones.
Time for another example I think.
There are two fan made towns. One is well made, other one is poorly made. I'm speaking about Cove and Grove.
Cove i an example of well made town. Maybe it was inspired by Pirates of the Caribbean. Though the faction itself is not a blatant ripoff from the movies, with heroes being movie characters and such. It tells about existing in Might and Magic universe nation of pirates - Regna. It has numerous references to lore of series and is compatible with H3 plot, style and notions.
Grove, on the other hand is poorly made town. It was a copy of night elves from WarCraft. This faction probably on every step tried to replicate Warcraft. Units are from Warcraft, heroes are from Warcraft, whole faction is blatantly out of place and seem to exist for no reason. And about plot... What plot?
So speaking of numerous town projects, it's not bad to be inspired by something. It just never looks good when something is a misplaced copy from other game.
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to all the haters on other people's ideas of THEIR OWN TOWN
Maybe my posts weren't subtle enough, I'm sincerely sorry if anyone feels insulted, this was not my intention. Now, how about making less personal insults, shall we?
The first time I started to work on my own faction I was 14 or 15 years old. My project was literal rubbish, completely random graphics from internet, without any idea or consistency. I kept working on my project over years, and started to realize various things. Maybe just grew up a little bit. I have worked on my project for at least four years now, and scrapped the whole project at two or three times already. Stupid, you could say. We could have three towns already. I say necessary. All we'd have would be three inconsistent, illogical excuses of a mod I would be ashamed of and you would laugh at, and nobody would play.
I'm just telling others things I had to realize myself over years of correcting my own mistakes. I'm aware it can break most of potential modders, but I believe some would make use of my opinion on such matter. Sure, you can say I'm wrong because I'm mean and I personally insult everyone, but again, that is not purpose of my posts.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted January 30, 2014 10:12 PM |
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Grove was great, guys. Actually the first completed town, so don't be shy.
And you can't compare anything with HoTA, because the level of specialization obviously is not the same. On Grove side, you have talented fans who learn on the fly, on HoTA's side you have talented guys studying that specific thing in RL, but no job (that is, Russia) so they hang on forums and do their best.
Don't tell me that Alex-ander is studying violin or economics. He is 3D modeling student. A guy like him is making 30k a month in Europe and has no time to spend on gaming forums. Life is unfair, I know.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 30, 2014 10:37 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 22:38, 30 Jan 2014.
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Salamandre said:
Grove was great, guys.
For me it wasn't, and if I remember correctly you didn't like it either.
Salamandre said:
And you can't compare anything with HoTA, because the level of specialization obviously is not the same.
We can compare anything we want with anything we want as long as we're the audience. This is our right to do. You make something - people criticize it - you improve it. Simple.
Salamandre said:
On Grove side, you have talented fans who learn on the fly, on HoTA's side you have talented guys studying that specific thing in RL, but no job (that is, Russia) so they hang on forums and do their best.
Excuses.
Compare Grove with VCMI Forge, which was made actually in 50% by the same people. You can improve yourself in anything if you only want.
Salamandre said:
Don't tell me that Alex-ander is studying violin or economics. He is 3D modeling student. A guy like him is making 30k a month in Europe and has no time to spend on gaming forums.
IIRC Alex-ander is actually an architect.
But that's not really the case. There are several other really talented modders who aren't graphics students at all. The best known examples here would be Witchking (who made great models for, unfortunately dead, Ziggurat and Modern Forge) and Morn (who made new HotA portraits and Autumn Rampart). Orzie or ArysPole who work on SW mod also aren't graphics students, and IIRC same thing is with Agar, who made sketches and 3D models of artifacts for HotA. Not counting Trith, who has already been a great artist before even starting any kind of artistic school.
You see, I already made several 2D graphics, 3D models and music tracks just for modding purposes, and maybe they're not the best, but I'm still improving myself. And this has nothing to do with my studies since I'm actually studying IT.
So the only thing that's blocking you from improving your works more is your free will, and maybe your free time.
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kipshasz
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posted January 31, 2014 11:05 AM |
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first thing you'll need for a town such as this is to make a decent story of how your faction came to be in Homm3 universe. then once and if you make some opposing goons happy(best to ignore them imo) you can go on to making the faction.
The idea is pretty interesting, I believe there was a guy here who started making a faction made from Doom 3 or something.
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Negas5
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posted February 01, 2014 07:25 AM |
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Uhm...this doesn't look good.
I won't say anything off-topic, I don't want to get in problems, or get silenced for 24 hours, so I'll post things only about this.
Ok, ah, I was thinking a bit about the dwellings for the creatures. And the creatures, too.
One pair of creatures, obviously, would be the Hell Knights and the Barons of Hell (Name similar to Hell Barons, that's a problem). They would be Lv. 6, as they are some of the strongest.
Now, there is something in here, that makes me think a bit.
Former Humans & Sergeants (Also called Zombiemen and Shotgun Guys) are not demons at all, justified because in the game of Doom, they barely appear on episodes 2 to 4. But...should I take them as part of the troop alignment? I don't know, and if they were going to be there, maybe they would be Lv. 1, like Lost Souls.
And, CyberDemon fans would love to see it's dwelling called Tower of Babel, the name of the level that holds its first apparition in the series. :v
Well, still have more ideas, but don't feel fine enough to post them all here. Open to opinions, and I'll see you guys later. c:
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Corribus
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posted February 01, 2014 08:19 AM |
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Alright, I cleaned the thread, and hopefully while still preserving a cogent string of thoughts. The off-topic warning still stands, though.
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