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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 01, 2014 11:08 AM |
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I will ask moderator to delete or close this thread. You know Orzie, without WoG you won't be here. Your mod you love so much to advertise and work on wouldn't exist.
Your creativity could not express.
Try to do with HoTa Succession Wars mod, can you? No.
Am I idiot to bring HoTa weak points? No. I know where lies its force as well as its weaknesses but I prefer to learn from its force. You, instead, as many others half-brain here don't miss any opportunity to critic wog, instead of learning from its strong points.
Now if you re-read my first answer to Dr 3 commas, you will exactly see what I just wrote now. It is wog who feeds you and your team right now, so accusing it bla bla as you do every post here and there is a disgrace.
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Era II mods and utilities
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 11:26 AM |
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And you adjudicate WoG to be sacrosanct.
Where did Orzie denigrate WoG?
It seems the offence is that your attitude was criticised.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 11:38 AM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 11:39, 01 Mar 2014.
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The most important mod for Heroes 3 is The Memory and everyone who doesn't agree is an arrogant hypocrite and a half-brain!
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Horn of the
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 01, 2014 11:47 AM |
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 11:47 AM |
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DrScarcasm said:
Hello. I've been playing all (almost) Heroes games and love them. I'd like to return back to HOMM III, and i found out that there are many different mods that act like expansions.
Found that In the Wake of Gods and Horn of the Abyss are the most popular, i guess.
Which one is better in your opinion (custom game-wise, i have no interest in campaigns)? And if there is another mod better then these, please let me know. I mean better in terms of balance, artifact/skill/spell/creature variety and overall better control of the game. I already installed the Complete Heroes III.
Thanks!
Play VCMI.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 12:27 PM |
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Salamandre said:
When I said others, you were first on my list, yep.
Well, if you really want to point someone's spelling out just to offend them, then let me point out that you should actually say "other half-brains" instead of "others half-brain". 
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Bersy
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 12:45 PM |
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There is no reason for Orzie to write everywhere about WoG bad objects style and use word "steel". And there is no reason to react on such messages, cause everyone is doing his job and we are all on constructive road. It means we bring something new to the existence, no sense to argue on tastes and search for the best platform/mod/idea. We can argue as a part of joking process still.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:05 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 14:36, 01 Mar 2014.
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Sal keeps thinking I hate wog (for unknown reason) which is absolutely not true, lol. I thought I already convinced him on that point. I don't know how to explain it to him in other way. I am really tired of that.
I state that WoG + normal graphics is much better and professional than WoG without normal graphics. And it must be like that. WoG must be done professionally - WoG is no less than the second life of Heroes of Might and Magic III. WoG must have its own content rather than take it from the well-known games - heck, we have already seen all those graphics in the games we love from our childhood! Rage of Mages (Allods), Warcraft, Age of Empires, many more. Why should we have them again in another game, even without a proper photoshop polishment? Is it a proper feat for the second life of HMM3?
If I would be capable of making graphics for H3, I contributed all of them to WoG. Because I want WoG to be a greater gift to the community, an ultimate gift which will allow H3 to stay tuned for one more decade. And I am very happy to know that the situation with graphics is changing for 3.59 now. I help WoG with promotion currently. What are you doing for 3.59, Salamandre?
As for the stealing word which you don't like:
Mostly, people take graphics from other games which totally don't fit, regardless of what game it was, and say "I added 15 new creatures! I am cool!". That is what I call stealing and lack of graphical taste (if the assets taken are not polished to fit the game or overall mod style). And it is like that - someone spent hours on drawing it, and you even don't pay credit to the man or woman who created your assets. Credit is the only thing we can give to each other in the world of modding where payments are not a way how things go. Credit must be done to everyone, it's not hard to put several additional lines in credits of your modification. I hope this is accessible to everyone.
Peace.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:09 PM |
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Orzie said:
I call stealing
Same old song and dance again.
It's not stealing, it's using.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:27 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 14:29, 01 Mar 2014.
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Use your brains, talents and abilities, and not CTRL+C and CTRL+V. Try to make something valuable for the community, finally.
Let's model a situation on a Hota, as an example.
A thousand mods with Hota graphics nivelate the hard work of Hota developers. They wanted to make their mod looking unique. You take their graphics without asking them, and put in your 100 mods non-related to Hota in any way. Hota is no more original. Their work is wasted, and no one knows they were the first to create the asset. People will say that they have seen all of these graphics before and Hota is crap. All thanks to the guys like you.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:35 PM |
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Orzie said:
A thousand mods with Hota graphics nivelate the hard work of Hota developers. They wanted to make their mod looking unique. You take their graphics without asking them, and put in your 100 mods non-related to Hota in any way. Hota is no more original.
If they don't like using their resources, they must not release mod at all.
I don't even talk about unlawful reverse engeneering they used while making HOTA. If you speak about 'stolen graphics', than let's talk about 'stolen code' first. Graphics can be replaced, code cannot.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 01, 2014 02:39 PM |
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I can not even argue at this level of arrogance. With the little you did for wog (actually zero finished), you come here and brag about wog team being thieves -Yes tovarischi, this is the meaning of steal-, then all further modders being thieves; even in my thread where I give of my FREE time-you start to argue about stealing while nobody invited you-.
Your mod is using 95% of graphics from another game-doesn't matter what you bring as arguments, graphics are NOT yours, are they?-, by your logic you are the Blackbeard of wog modders.
Someone close this thread please.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:40 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 15:04, 01 Mar 2014.
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Then go and point me which lines of code are 'stolen'. Come on, do it. I am waiting.
>If they don't like using their resources, they must not release mod at all.
Facepalm. Goodbye to all mods which have their own graphics, according to your logic.
>Your mod is using 95% of graphics from another game-doesn't matter what you bring as arguments, graphics are NOT yours, are they?-, by your logic you are the Blackbeard of wog modders.
I dedicate my mod to this game. It is a tribute. I enlarge the graphic legacy of Heroes 2 as I can. I don't call any of these 95% graphics mine. Is it accessible?
Without Heroes 2 graphics, Heroes 2 tribute is senseless, like Warcraft tribute would be senseless without Warcraft graphics.
And why do I even bother. Do what you want. You don't get the difference, and I'm afraid we will never come to some sort of understanding.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 02:43 PM |
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Orzie said:
Facepalm. Goodbye to all mods, according to your logic.
It's you talking about stealing graphics, lol, not me.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:28 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 15:30, 01 Mar 2014.
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Salamandre said:
I can not even argue at this level of arrogance.
Then why are you doing it?...
Seriously, guys, this is getting ridiculous. All Orzie is trying to say is that mods will be better with their own graphics instead of ripped off content. You, on the other hand, are only insulting him, me and many other people who are trying to do their best for Heroes 3 modding. What's your problem?
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:30 PM |
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Edited by Kivo at 15:32, 01 Mar 2014.
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Salamandre said:
Your mod is using 95% of graphics from another game-doesn't matter what you bring as arguments, graphics are NOT yours, are they?-, by your logic you are the Blackbeard of wog modders.
This is different. The graphics are transferred from the same franchise not taken from a different game. If such modding would be possible to do on H2, we would not have to transfer the graphics. But using WoG, Era, etc it is much easier. We use WoG as a tool... without it we wouldn't get anywhere of course.
But the main point of WoG is programming not graphics, so I agree with what you said partially. For TSW mod its mostly about graphics, therefore you both have different views. I agree with both opinions in some way, but I don't see the point in arguing, there is no point.
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revolut1oN
Famous Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:33 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Seriously, guys, this is getting ridiculous. All Orzie is trying to say is that mods will be better with their own graphics instead of ripped off content. You, on the other hand, are only insulting him, me and many other people who are trying to do their best for Heroes 3 modding. What's your problem?
Yeah, 100% agree. You guys seem to have problems with a fact that somebody can be so good at graphics design that he doesn't need to use ugly rips or cheap 'borrowing' other games graphics.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:34 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 15:37, 01 Mar 2014.
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Well, they just don't like the rude word 'stealing'. Perhaps I was too rough with it, but still, it's likely to make your own graphics if you can. People love to play different cool mods rather than see the same assets over and over again. It's killing the mod variety, and almost always looks ugly and non-fitting if the assets are from another game while the entire concept is still HMM3.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:51 PM |
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Kivo said:
The graphics are transferred from the same franchise not taken from a different game.
I didn't see this permission when read laws about copyright. Can you show me paragraph where use of graphics from one franchise is permitted?
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted March 01, 2014 03:53 PM |
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Unless stated otherwise. Bethesda restricted the transfer of Morrowind graphics to Oblivion. But in case of HMM3 everyone doesn't care.
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