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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 12:21 PM |
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Thread for Elvin to post his Baldur's Gate EE Experiences In
you're welcome. ~
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veco
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posted July 29, 2014 12:22 PM |
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Edited by veco at 12:24, 29 Jul 2014.
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*respectfully takes a seat*
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 12:22 PM |
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AND for the record, this is a legit thread with a legit topic.
I also couldn't find the original baldur's gate thread, so this is the new one, oops.
If you have loved the original games, i'd highly recommend getting the ENHANCED EDITION which uses the BG2 engine and adds 3 NPCs: a monk, a wild mage and a blackguard (anti-paladin).
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kayna
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posted July 29, 2014 02:23 PM |
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Oh yeah that game. I installed that super ultra version of yours recently. Then I saw the game was under the 2.0 rules. Instant headaches, uninstalled soon after.
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 03:30 PM |
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Tssk, tssk. It's not because BG uses old rules (because you know, it's an OLD GAME), it's automatically garbage.
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kayna
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posted July 29, 2014 04:49 PM |
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It was good, back in the days. I did it when it went out like I dont know how many centuries ago.
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Minion
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posted July 29, 2014 05:05 PM |
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Which do you prefer Baldurs Gate 1 or 2?
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 05:53 PM |
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BG2, obviously. It had much better character development, each NPC has a specific niche (as opposed to several NPCs in BG1 that were either hidden (Kagain, Skie, Alora) or just downright useless (Skie, Alora, but also Garrick, Eldoth and (despite her special ability) Faldorn.)) The story also flows more structurally, as opposed to BG1 which is pretty much a roadmovie turned into a fantasy game.
So, it isn't much of a question, really.
I do love both games with all my heart though.
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Elvin
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posted July 29, 2014 07:15 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 19:16, 29 Jul 2014.
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Hey this thread feels cozy, I think I'll stick for a while 
I have to agree, the enhanced edition was a good opportunity for me to revisit the original game. On all accounts baldur's gate 2 is a better game(and actually my favourite game of all time) but the first game can be a lot of fun as well. I remember being taken away by the sheer vastness of bg2 but the original is even more open for exploration. Sometimes annoyingly so. Where in bg2 there is always something to see and interact with, bg features long expanses of nothingness and you never know if all this walking around will result in an encounter you'd rather avoid(OH **** A BASILISK DEN - RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!), a joiner npc(that could simply be anywhere), a random humourous event or.. simply nothing at all. And when there is so much ground to cover, you have to be blessed with a lot of patience to explore everything. That or you'd have to be mellow and take your time, immerse yourself in the scenery and its ambience. Chances are you will waste your time so you might as well enjoy it. And occasionally curse when the road brings you to a life or death situation 
Part of the second game's appeal is the wealth of dialogues and banter between your party. Every character you meet is unique and has a life of its own. The enhanced edition brings a measure of that in bg1 with the new companions and their personalized quests. The characters are well fleshed out and you can look forward to conversations both serious and casual The voice acting is wonderful too. Of course most of the older characters remain rather empty by comparison. Take Imoen, all she does is just stick around, unlock stuff and throw bratty lines. That's about it. No dialogue, no quests, no nothing. Now compare that to her bg2 counterpart which is a living, breathing character you can care for.
Where gameplay is concerned, bg2 is also a lot more interesting due to the complex encounters, scripted events and higher levels the adventure takes place in. You can have a lot more fun with all those spells and class combinations. In bg1 the combat is more plain and down to earth. The fights are less creative as you have a lot less options in your magical arsenal. This is not a bad thing but the gameplay depth is undoubtedly more.. shallow. At least the enhanced edition introduces the classes and class kits that were unavailable for bg1 so you have more freedom in who you want to be. And having the whole trilogy in mind(I'm just referring to throne of Bhaal here), it is a long journey to create your own character and see him to the very end
Having already been through the game and already into the second enhanced game, I really loved some of the things that bg1 did. Sarevok was one bad@ss villain, vicious and properly intimidating. If you could imagine murder personified, that's Sarevok. The dreams were a nice touch as is the chapter narration and the slow realization of what you are and why things have happened this way. The encounter with your old friends in the candlekeep dungeons was goddamn brilliant. And that amazing ending movie. Chills. That game really knows how to foreshadow what is to come and what expectations it builds, it exceeds in bg2.
Now if they also made an enhanced edition for planescape torment ^^
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 07:51 PM |
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PlaneScape doesn't really need an enhanced edition. I think it looks and works well enough as it is.
K i think i'm going to start a new game now.
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kayna
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posted July 29, 2014 07:56 PM |
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Edited by kayna at 19:57, 29 Jul 2014.
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Man in BG 1 not only did you meet Elminster but also Drizzt, you could kill him and loot his super swords n snow!
And yeah, Planescape torment was better than BG 1 and 2.
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Storm-Giant
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posted July 29, 2014 08:03 PM |
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Finally Elvin posted here, yay! 
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Elvin
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posted July 29, 2014 09:05 PM |
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Planescape torment is in a league of its own Some days I prefer pst, others bg but overall it was baldur's gate that touched me the most. It cannot match the quality and depth of pst but it is just so much fun. It is better mix of story and gameplay whereas pst is more focused on story and dialogues.
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 09:11 PM |
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Good news people, the two early-game Candlekeep tricks still work.
1) Firebead Trick
"I couldn't help overhear, mostly because I was thinking of killing you and taking your cloak, but I think you're a bit on the Confused Side"
Ineligible Classes: Paladin, Ranger
Do you want to leave Candlekeep with an extra level? Well, as it happens, the Inn hosts a certain Firebead Elvenhair, whom you can murder for experience.
Firebead is a powerful mage though, so it requires a lot of hit and run tactics.
In normal BG1, the usual tactic is to pellet Firebead with ranged weaponry and dash upstairs the second he starts casting a spell (note: if firebead hits you with even one of his spells, you will die. Warriors can survive a Magic Missile or a Melf's Acid Arrow but only if they have max Constitution). This is the same in EE, except fir a few subtle differences. For once, Firebead will follow you up and down the stairs. If you run up and down twice very quickly however, you'll lose him, and he'll stand where he lost sight of you.
Losing firebead is interesting because it also resets the round count. IE: the next time you see Firebead he'll immediately start casting spells and you can get in a free shot if you use a bow. This means that you can get in chip damage more easily, but more importantly, it means you can flush out firebead's spells more easily. Everytime Firebead loses sight of you while conjuring up his wisps of arcane smoke, regardless of whether he follows you down the stairs or not, he will waste a spell.
Firebead is the most dangerous when he casts his magic missiles, which have no casting time, thus he can fire them off immediately.. These are the last spells he casts (I believe he casts, in order, horror x2, lightning bolt x2, melf's acid arrow x2 and magic missile x4/5 - I didn't count them :X.) and when you've reached that stage, don't bother shooting him during your free shot and run down the stairs IMMEDIATELY.
Once Firebead's spells are exhausted, he'll attack you with a dagger. Your options are the following. Hit-and-run ranged if you are playing as a rogue class, a druid or a mage, spam magic missile if you're a sorcerer, or melee him if you're a cleric or a fighter.
Beware that even though he's an elven mage, Firebead WILL hit you and he hits fairly hard as well. He can OHKO mages and sorcerers for instance. Only well-armoured characters can kill him in a melee without being killed first.
Once he's dead though, reap the rewards:
This is really good for rogues because the 2700XP reward means you gain TWO LEVELS instantly. As bards are the weakest class and thieves can pick most locks in Candlekeep after two level boosts, this is very helpful. It will also help beef up your mages and sorcerers (although the former have a VERY hard time killing firebead themselves, as they only have two spells max to rely on) as well as giving you Firebead's traveller's cloak.
To finish, export your character into a new game.
Rangers and Paladins cannot perform this trick because the loss of reputation will cause their classes to downgrade, turning them in fighters with no weapon specialization.
2) Export Trick
This one is really simple. If you export a character and then import the same character into your new game, he or she will retain their inventory. It's a trick you can use to duplicate early items (ie: you can get the ring of wizardry from the FAI or the ankeg armor from Nashkell, then export and you encounter the same item AGAIN on your second run). Most notably, it's the only way you can keep dublicates of the quest items you get (History of Haluraa, Firebead's Scroll of Identify, Hull's antidote and every item from Obe the Illusionist.)
note: if you use this trick during the training with Obe, NEVER, at any circumstance, return to him in your new game. He'll take all your stuff, even the items you've taken for yourself.
As I said, this is really useful because it allows you to grab plate armor, a small shield +1, a cleric's wand and a wand of missiles, as well as an oil of speed and potions of healing and invisibility. FOR FREE. BEFORE YOU EXIT CANDLEKEEP.
I think i'll check which of my old tricks are still intact (part of the fun in BG1 for me was being able to exploit its (rather flawed) engine) the next time i do a full playthrough.
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Elvin
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posted July 29, 2014 09:38 PM |
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I suspected you could make an ankheg armour in bg1 but couldn't find out how. And the changing areas hit&run is too delicious not to abuse 
Btw I got the pantaloons, looking forward to throne of Bhaal ^^
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Lexxan
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posted July 29, 2014 09:49 PM |
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the pantaloons <3
You can find an ankheg armour in a field on the west side of nashkell (near noober lol). The smith in Bereghost will also craft armor from shells, for a price. (alternatively, you could sell the shells at half the price you pay for ankeg armor each).
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Elvin
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posted July 30, 2014 08:51 AM |
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I was suddenly reminded how crappy the bg1 character stats are They sure got better stat rolls in the second which makes sense given the higher stakes.
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fred79
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posted July 30, 2014 09:09 AM |
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this makes me want to play bg: dark alliance again. i have it for the ps2. don't hate.
it's been years since i played it. i was looking up the graphics online, to see if there were any sprite rips of the spiders, and i found the wiki, which i'm looking through now. it appears that all i can find are 3d files for what i want though(elsewhere), no sprites. 
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Lexxan
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posted July 30, 2014 11:38 AM |
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Elvin said:
I was suddenly reminded how crappy the bg1 character stats are They sure got better stat rolls in the second which makes sense given the higher stakes.
acol yes. The stat rolls are horrible and sometimes even counterproductive (Garrick's pitiful intelligence  . Quayle's wisdom , Tiax's stats altogether ), but at least they make sense for the most part.
The player character has a huge advantage though because you can roll your stats yourself AND you get to use tomes to boost your own stats.
It's part of why I think Cleric is the best possible class to play in BG. There are two (or were it three?) tomes of Wisdom in the first game, and none of the NPC clerics have a wisdom score higher than 16. Meanwhile, a Cleric PC can permanently boost their wisdom to 20 () and it's even better if you Dual from a Ranger (which is what i'm planning to do in this game).
in BG2, the ability to spam Holy Smithe is also a great help <3
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Lexxan
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posted July 30, 2014 05:28 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 17:41, 30 Jul 2014.
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Friendly Arm Inn hints:
Ring of Wizardry
another difference between vanilla and EE: the tab key will highlight storage caches. So convenient <3
nb: The Ring of Wizardry is a MUST-HAVE item for a mage PC as mages are notably weak.
If you play as a mage, scour the middle-bottom section of the Friendly Arm In map, and use the tab key to locate the ring underneath a pine tree.
Safe Rests
nb2: never rent a room inside the FAI unless you're wounded and lack healing spells. You can rest outside the inn safely AND for free.
Unlocking Viconia and Ajantis
Peldvate is located to the east, and if you choose to do so, you can immediately recruit Viconia. She will be at least level 3 and is thus a very valuable addition if you need a Cleric. (better than Jaheira at this stage, though she's not far off from becoming a level 2 Druid)
Ajantis is in the ankeg map in the north and he will be level 2 at least if you get him. He makes a better melee figher than Khalid for sure, but only functions in good-aligned parties. He will attack you if your reputation is low.
The Golden Pantaloons
Get them and make sure you hold onto them until the end of the game if you intend to do a Full Run of BG1EE, BG2EE, and TOB.
Landrin's Antidotes
Talk to Landrin with a 18 charisma character AND with party reputation at 13+, and she'll give you six antidotes. Will not work if you have talked to her before, have killed the spiders in Beregost or if your reputation/charisma modifier is too low. (tip: pickpocket Algernon with either Montaron or Garrick (the npcs with the highest pickpocket values) in Beregost's Feldepost Inn to gain his +2 charisma cloak. Imoen or Ajantis will now be able to unlock the antidotes for you.)
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