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blizzardboy
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posted November 23, 2014 04:01 AM |
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It takes me several hours on end just browsing through images to get just the right ones, followed by many more hours on resizing, recoloring, editing, bordering... and then finding an image I like more in retrospect and changing it, etc. This doesn't get done in 15 minutes   (Love that faction so much. Totally had to advertise it some more)
Takes much discipline and courage to become master image chef and bring honor to famiry.
That isn't something the average HC'er would want to do though. For me, it's totally fun to do (every rare once in a while)
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DagothGares
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posted November 23, 2014 07:06 AM |
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I don't think you should limit the images, either. Your problem seems to be mostly an issue with "criteria," adrius. If you make them adequately strict, judges shouldn't hand too much value to a nice presentation. Besides, it's nice to have a nice presentation.
This was done in rounds, right? I'd be willing to judge, if I get to making at least one round as a participant.
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VokialBG
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posted November 23, 2014 10:20 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 10:20, 23 Nov 2014.
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Judging may be on 2 parts.
1. Judging without the images - all are banned;
2. After 1st part is done competitors are going to include all their images and judges can give them some bonus (with a cap, so it can not be of huge value) for nice preparations.
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Jiriki9
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posted November 23, 2014 04:59 PM |
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Edited by Jiriki9 at 17:00, 23 Nov 2014.
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DagothGares said:
This was done in rounds, right? I'd be willing to judge, if I get to making at least one round as a participant.
No, not really, I think. Ictc just was once a year. In rounds came other contests...finding harmony (someone asked about it, or not? It was a competition were certain units were given and had to be mixed into a faction), faction creation by task, and that contest where you write given themes to blend together...
I get the feeling that more people wpuld like a round-based task-driven contest than an ICTC in classical sense?
Edit: vote results say otherwise, though.
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jackson
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posted November 27, 2014 03:14 AM |
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I've never participated in one of these before. Barring any extreme time constraints, I would be willing to judge. If I have enough time, I'd like to do both.
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blizzardboy
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posted November 28, 2014 06:13 AM |
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I think we should just have a normal ICTC, with the slight tweak of restricting images and keeping it all in one post for the sake of improving the focus of it (i.e., the new restrictions would make ICTC more of what it is already is, by keeping away the distractions of a dazzling presentation or a gargantuan wall of text).
Why the discussion on a completely new concept all of the sudden? Make another contest if you want to do that. ICTC is about making your faction, not a restricted faction where you have to include a ninja moose, a half-orc midget, and a rainbow dragon in it, and then try to make it harmonious. Finding Harmony was a fun contest too, in a different kind of way, but it doesn't really allow a person to fly free with their vision of whatever cool town they want to make.
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Jiriki9
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posted November 28, 2014 10:24 AM |
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I've never participated in one of these before. Barring any extreme time constraints, I would be willing to judge. If I have enough time, I'd like to do both.
Always nice to have new people in, imo! =)
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Why the discussion on a completely new concept all of the sudden? Make another contest if you want to do that. ICTC is about making your faction, not a restricted faction where you have to include a ninja moose, a half-orc midget, and a rainbow dragon in it, and then try to make it harmonious. Finding Harmony was a fun contest too, in a different kind of way, but it doesn't really allow a person to fly free with their vision of whatever cool town they want to make.
On that, you are certainly right. I just got the impression that a completely free ICTC - and I had just that in mind when opening this poll! - was somehow unwanted by a not too small number this time. But rereading the discussion and considering the vote, I think that may not be the case^^
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I think we should just have a normal ICTC, with the slight tweak of restricting images and keeping it all in one post for the sake of improving the focus of it (i.e., the new restrictions would make ICTC more of what it is already is, by keeping away the distractions of a dazzling presentation or a gargantuan wall of text).
actually I had the feeling these restrictions were meant more not to drive newer partcipants awy with factions who, when read, feel like "well, that will win, no matter what faction I do..." 
Anyway I think that would be fine, at least for me. Or does anyone object to it?
Pressing questions would then be:
1. What shall be the timeline of the ICTC? When does it start, when is the deadline?
2. How shall judging be done? Shall we give obligatory criteriasand score ranges? Can judges participate if they wish and how is that handled?Is there a "master judge" or something like that?
3. Shall pictures be limited and to which extent?
Proposed answers by me:
1. I am partal on that because christmas is coming and that will mean less time for me, but I think as it are holidays it may mean more time for others. How about we say the contest goes from December 1 (which would actually be next Monday,maybe a week later?) to March 31? that would be 4 months, which is long, but I think we had such amount of time before?
2. I think it would be best if there ws one judgement coordinator, who is nto a participant. He coudl also judge themself, but that is not necessary. The other judges send this person their judgementsand the coordinator then posts them in the judgement thread and also makes one score of them.
Participants can also be jduges that way, though they of course may NOT judge their own factions.
For judging criterias I really think we should have them. A proposal for them would be: creativity (if the ideas are original and fun), gameplay (here would be aspects like playability and balance), flavor/atmosphere/feeling/coherence (by that I mean the internal flavor/coherence of the faction, if it really feels like one faction, if one gets the feeling that it truly has a background and such - is this understandable?^^) and presentation (pictures, design & co). For each area there would be a given amount of possible points so afterall, we get comparable total value.
3. Well, thinking about it, I find it hard to ban pics entirely. I think 1 pic per creature +5 as limit would be reasonable.
What do you people think? Do you agree on these points? Have I forgotten something in the judging part?
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posted November 28, 2014 12:57 PM |
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1. I think 3 months was the norm, but I don't really mind.
2. I don't mind if every judge will have his own criteria as long as every judge judges every faction. That will still be fair because everyone will be judged equally and might give us a wider range of criteria. That being said, every judge should disclose his criteria when he does the actual judging and not just give a random number off his head for the final mark.
3. Sounds ok.
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Jiriki9
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posted November 28, 2014 02:34 PM |
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Edited by Jiriki9 at 14:37, 28 Nov 2014.
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For the months: maybe. Well, I thought more time could just be easier
For the judging: Well, I could live without central criteria as long as it is fixed what the max points are! (Else putting that together would be so messy.) Also, I cannot see why people should judge their own entries? Ir is psychologically rather certain that they would not judge the actual quality of their faction, but the judging would be based on other things strongly...which way of thinking about themselves the persons have, mainly. I mean, if most people think own entries should be judged as well I'm fine but I, for example, would not feel capable of judging my own entries edaquately. But as said, if that's wanted I'd certainly obejct to it.
It's not certain wether I manage an entry, anyway^^
EDIT: as participant I mean. So: judging, for certain, participating maybe.
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Geny
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posted November 28, 2014 02:38 PM |
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Obviously, I meant judge every faction except your own.
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Jiriki9
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posted November 28, 2014 04:55 PM |
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Geny said:
Obviously, I meant judge every faction except your own.
aah, then I am obviously fully your opinion! 
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Galaad
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posted December 01, 2014 09:13 PM |
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This contest needs some promotion, who will create a banner ?
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Jiriki9
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posted December 01, 2014 11:25 PM |
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That would be indeed awesome! =)
...so as noone object I think we can start the contest with next week?!
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Galaad
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posted December 02, 2014 12:06 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:21, 02 Dec 2014.
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Jiriki9 said:
That would be indeed awesome! =)
I can try to make one, town creation is a well-known hobby from the fans and I am sure you might have more contestants if people are aware of ICTC.
Although, I have no idea how the banner might look ?
Edit : Ok I'm onto something -although people still are welcomed to propose ideas or their banners as well- I would need the starting and ending dates as soon as it is confirmed to implement this info
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Jiriki9
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posted December 02, 2014 01:28 PM |
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Edited by Jiriki9 at 13:34, 02 Dec 2014.
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Well, I think it would be great to have "International Create a Town Contest" in the same writing as the "Heroes Community" logo (if that's permitted by the mods of course!).
...well, I just gave it a short shot now, but I'm not reaally good so it looks quite raw, but maybe someone better may get the idea behnd it and would like to make something like that but more shiny and with HC-logo's writing style?
EDIT: got a bti smalll...weell as mentioned I have nto much an idea of picmaking 
EDIT 2: also, the dea obiously was to ahve a pic from each homm in the fray. I choosed towns that came to my mind, and I KNOW there are quite some missing. It's jsut an illustration of the point after all. For H7, I choose the spear because we do not really have townscreens or true town artwork, do we?
eDIT 3: now saw galaads edit...I think if we can get it on quick, why not. So December 8 to April 4.
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Galaad
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posted December 02, 2014 02:17 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:26, 02 Dec 2014.
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I'm actually struggling with Photoshop to export the animated gif (never done this before)
EDIT : Figured out the technical part, I will work some art now and propose a banner tonight.
What would you guys think about some advertising message ?
Frames could go like this for example,
1stframe : Did it ever occur to you that none of the factions seen in a HoMM suited perfectly your desire ?
2ndframe : Between 08/12/14 & 8/04/15 you will be able to share your vision with the community
3rdframe : INTERNATIONAL CREATE A TOWN COMPETITION, here at HC under the Age of Coliseum section
What do you guys think ?
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DagothGares
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posted December 02, 2014 02:52 PM |
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It would also be a good idea to just create a thread announcing the thing and outlining the rules or to bump a thread that does this.
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Jiriki9
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posted December 02, 2014 03:36 PM |
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What would you guys think about advertising message ?
Frames could go like this for example,
1stframe : Did it ever occur to you that none of the factions seen in a HoMM suited perfectly your desire ?
2ndframe : Between 08/12/14 & 8/04/15 you will be able to share your vision with the community
3rdframe : INTERNATIONAL CREATE A TOWN COMPETITION, here at HC under the Age of Coliseum section
Well, the general idea sounds good!
The frames are a reasonable suggestion. It opens up with a catchy question, followed by the raw information and then concludes with the name and where to find it
Wordingwise, I think 'perfectly' would need to be placed before 'suited'?! Ending date should be the 04/04/15.
Also, for the Art, I still think some inspiring pics of actual HoMM-Towns would be great.
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Galaad
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posted December 02, 2014 03:42 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:59, 02 Dec 2014.
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Thanks for the corrections
About the art what do you think of using existing fanart ? (I could find a few others ?)
EDIT : I've made this
The problem is that the size is about 600kb and 60kb is the max sized allowed, so I will need to make another one more simple.
Please comment on readability, and is delay/fading timing good ?
EDIT 2 : This one is under 60kb, please tell me your impressions.
EDIT 3 : Alternative, better imo, with longer timeframe, the other one seemed a bit fast.
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Jiriki9
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posted December 03, 2014 12:59 AM |
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Nice work!
the frst looks better, imo, but if it is to big, maybe the others are a better choice. I also think the writing changes a tiny bit to fast, but not much.
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