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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted January 27, 2015 10:21 AM |
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Paiazza said:
Aren't you feeling that this game doesn't feel like heroes anymore? but instead a quick and cheap higher definition graphics copy of the game? That you no longer feel that fantasy universe anymore, that you only play the game because you're bored?
Could it maybe have something to do with us growing up..?
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted January 27, 2015 10:21 AM |
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I guess his point is that 3DO tried to milk a well-designed universe created by other people while Ubisoft put up some hermaphroditic bullcrap themselves and now try to milk it.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 27, 2015 10:29 AM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Well that is somewhat wierd. If you only care about Heroes, why do you have the need to react to a post that directly mentions that it is about the entire franchise? With the word Franchise directly in it.
Counterpoint: Why did you bring up the franchise as a whole in a topic specifically about Heroes?
Bit weird, innit?
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And Furthermore, 3 out of 4 of my points were about Heroes game, (H-IV underbudget, Chronicals cachsgrab, QftDBS as milking the brand's name and assets)
Ah, but I ended up liking H4, it's flaws didn't outweight the overall experience IMO.
Chronicles were decently written and entirely optional.
That last sentence I have trouble figuring out.
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So again Avirosb, your point? Where is it? I fail to see the difference in 3DO and Ubi?
In the immediate follow-up you admitted to there being a difference.
Other than that, nothing much. They're both greedy companies, big deal.
If H2-3 suffered from 3DO's involvement then it sure doesn't show.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 27, 2015 10:37 AM |
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Avirosb said:
Dave_Jame said:
Well that is somewhat wierd. If you only care about Heroes, why do you have the need to react to a post that directly mentions that it is about the entire franchise? With the word Franchise directly in it.
Counterpoint: Why did you bring up the franchise as a whole in a topic specifically about Heroes?
Bit weird, innit?
Counter-counter point
Direct quote from the OP
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It's the difference between a proper game and some cheap copy only for marketing purposes. Aren't you feeling that they don't make any games (not only heroes series) , but just a pale shadow of games intended to be sold only?
Maybe he ment games in general, I specified it for the M&M franchise.
Avirosb said:
Ah, but I ended up liking H4, it's flaws didn't outweight the overall experience IMO.
Chronicles were decently written and entirely optional.
That last sentence I have trouble figuring out.
And I belive there are people who ended up liking H6, but that does not change its sad end.
(Last sentence is about this parody of a game)
Avirosb said:
In the immediate follow-up you admitted to there being a difference.
Other than that, nothing much. They're both greedy companies, big deal.
If H2-3 suffered from 3DO's involvement then it sure doesn't show.
I admitted it, since I am aware of it. I take it into account when I think about things. I don't have the feeling that other people do.
H2 and 3 may have not, but H4 sure did.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 27, 2015 10:45 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 10:46, 27 Jan 2015.
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Counter-counter point
Direct quote from the OP
Fine, I concede.
You're very quick to bring up nostalgia though, which is what I reacted to in the first place.
I doubt a lot of HoMM fans are nostalgic about 3DO.
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H2 and 3 may have not, but H4 sure did.
And to this day I still like that game more than H5 but all that is opinion.
The bottom line is; 3DO met a fitting end and Ubi has yet to do the same.
I didn't like the direction NWC took with H5 either, for the record.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 27, 2015 10:56 AM |
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Avirosb said:
Fine, I concede.
You're very quick to bring up nostalgia though, which is what I reacted to in the first place.
I doubt a lot of HoMM fans are nostalgic about 3DO.
Well since this topic is basically about it from the get go, why not. And I have this rage like attitude when people defend old things without seeing its cons, and prose, even if very few, of the current generation. It's like Pop music. We say how our songs were better, but listening to old one (90's), and especially seeing the videos with shows are proves how wrong we are.
Avirosb said:
The bottom line is; 3DO met a fitting end and Ubi has yet to do the same.
The sad part is, unlike 3DO, Ubi makes successful business decisions, and has more then 2 products to sell. So it has sources to get profit, and occasionally screw up.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 27, 2015 11:56 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:57, 27 Jan 2015.
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If by successful business decisions you mean releasing a game with blatant WH plagiarism, DRM and conflux feature ruining experience and now importing bad models to infuriate the fanbase for yet another time, then no, Ubisoft made terrible decisions even at this level. That's leaving outside design decision which especially after Heroes 5 have been simply horrendous.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted January 27, 2015 11:57 AM |
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Stevie said:
Maurice said:
The game (and the series) still has potential; they just need to make a few daring changes to bring it back closer to the roots it has drifted away from.
Under Ashan it definitely does not have potential. The restrictions and direction cripple the very idea of Heroes, and this thread only proves it.
What don't you understand about daring changes? 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 27, 2015 12:12 PM |
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Stevie said:
If by successful business decisions you mean releasing a game with blatant WH plagiarism, DRM and conflux feature ruining experience and now importing bad models to infuriate the fanbase for yet another time, then no, Ubisoft made terrible decisions even at this level. That's leaving outside design decision which especially after Heroes 5 have been simply horrendous.
From an economical point of view yes. You see, you look at it from the point of a fan. They look at it from the point of an investor. Ubi has a large palet of investments (read games), and they know how to sell them. They may develop them badly but they know how to sell them.
Sure Their games may be buggy, bland etc. But as long as they generate profit, then Ubi is doing good work as a company, not as an artist, but from an economical point of view yes they are.
Unlike 3DO, who had 3 brands at best, Ubi has enought investments for it to screw up once in a while in each of them. And even when they do screw up. You won't get your money back so atleast some of their money comes back. In the end we all are hostages to our love for a ceertain game.
If I would look at it from the point of view of a Fan, I might be enraged.
If I would look at it from the point of a critic, I could be disapointed.
But if I would look at it from the point of business man. I must admit Ubi makes money, and that is their goal.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 27, 2015 12:12 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:30, 27 Jan 2015.
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Maurice said:
What don't you understand about daring changes?
The part where you use daring to express that they're somewhat open to changes but they feel it's too yolo, whereas the problem is that they're hell bent against such changes.
Dave_Jame said:
If I would look at it from the point of view of a Fan, I might be enraged.
If I would look at it from the point of a critic, I could be disapointed.
But if I would look at it from the point of business man. I must admit Ubi makes money, and that is their goal.
Guess what, I have no reason to look at it from the point of view of a business man. They however have all the reason in the world to look at it from the point of view of a fan, because if they deliver something they would appreciate rather than a quick and enraging cash grab, they would arguably make even more money.
And as far as you and I are concerned, we don't know how much money Ubi actually made off Heroes and if it met their targets.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 27, 2015 12:13 PM |
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Elvin said:
You see reused assets. I see some actual effort in returning the game to its roots and improving upon its better features. I had higher expectations but I think that it's going well all things considered.
I basicaly agree with Elvin on this one. As far as gameplay itself is concerned i belive it's going in right direction. All that I realy need at this point would be RMG and simultaneous turns, then it's golden.
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