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Kayna
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posted January 27, 2015 05:04 AM |
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Greece elections
So, euh, Greece elected a guy that might get off the Euro? What'd you guys think of that? I'm curious. Don't understand crap from European politics anyways lul.
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Ghost
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posted January 27, 2015 05:22 AM |
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No, we are a pretender, because Greece isn't Russia. Greece has always been the spender of the state, but Greece has to pay half the debt to us. Other countries could take the Greece model, if insincere, it doesn't appear good. Have a good job trip!
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kipshasz
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posted January 27, 2015 07:47 AM |
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get rid of euro? good.
I wish Lithuania would get rid of euro. nearly a month the garbage is here and I already hate it.
and hopefully the guy will sort the mess that the greeks are in.
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Zenofex
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posted January 27, 2015 07:47 AM |
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Greece is very unlikely to drop the euro, this is more of a war cry to scare the debt collectors. I'll give the new governments several months to show how determined it is but generally I expect more oratory than action.
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Fauch
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posted January 27, 2015 05:14 PM |
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all major moneys are crumbling, in the end euros, dollars and rubles will be worth no more than the paper they are printed on 
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 05:35 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:56, 27 Jan 2015.
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Once again, a communist party leading the government, elected constitutionally and the communist states of the Cold War are very different things. Btw, in all our news they are referred to as "radical left" not communist, so I'm not even sure if they are officially "the communist party" of Greece.
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Fauch
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posted January 27, 2015 06:02 PM |
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well, here radical lefts don't seem much less in favor of the system than other parties, I don't recall they proposed to make major changes to it, or even scrap it completely, just take a bit more from richs and give a bit more to poors.
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xerox
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posted January 27, 2015 06:25 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 18:27, 27 Jan 2015.
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I'm hoping for them to leave the eurozone and devalue their national currency so that I can buy my own Greek island property!
It's a mess though. There's no way the EU is going to agree to Syriza's demands. Either, they're going to have to make their voters very, very disappointed or leave the Eurozone. Syriza already reaching out to the Russian embassy may indicate that they're planning to do the latter...
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Orzie
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posted January 27, 2015 06:32 PM |
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Captain Obvious to the rescue - the word 'radical' is used as a generic media exaggeration to a priori turn people against.
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Yes, sure. They label many things radical just to create a negative impact, but it's also an accurate description since the politics of the party stands far away from what THEY CONSIDER mainstream formulas.
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Zenofex
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posted January 27, 2015 08:14 PM |
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andreea said:
I don't claim I understand how politics work, but shouldn't the Greeks know better? What happened to all the Eastern European countries that were under communist rule for the last half of the 20th century?
Newsflash - no country in the world has ever been under communist rule.
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 08:34 PM |
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That's kind of pushing it. It's very unlikely that in practicality, your notion of communism wont turn into something similar to the historical examples, when tried out. The Communist State had been tested through many countries with different backgrounds, cultures and infrastructure. But we've been through that debate 3 years ago or something, havent we...
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Zenofex
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posted January 27, 2015 08:42 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 20:42, 27 Jan 2015.
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Communist state is an oxymoron actually. But this is not the right topic to discuss this. The scientific term for the system in the USSR and the Eastern bloc countries is state socialism, with quite many nuances between the different countries which usually tend to be neglected when they are presented as some uniform league of evil of something like that.
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Orzie
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posted January 27, 2015 08:46 PM |
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The only acceptable form of communism is worldwide communism. And it's not gonna happen.
Yes, Zeno is right about the USSR. It never was a communist state. And neither is China or North Korea.
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 08:58 PM |
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I'd prefer not to call it the scientific term but rather the Marxist term, yes, I know communism is the stateless phase in the doctrine but socialism have different associations in today's terminology in general, so I didn't get too techical about the specifics. We've talked about that in the related thread also, basically I don't see much difference between "this was not real communism" or "this is not the real Islam" etc. Marxism itself suggests we should evaluate ideology under material, historical conditions and what it produces under that context, so trying to judge communism after taking out the human factor doesnt make much sense to me.
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Zenofex
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posted January 27, 2015 09:16 PM |
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Marx's idea of communism is not implementable in reality, his own method shows the flaws of the concept but I suppose he chose to believe that human behaviour can change to adapt to the ideal requirements (which is very un-Marxist). The term is scientific and used as such in the related literature though, you can't label a state communistic if communism requires that the state structures are gradually dismantled first. There are many other things which don't fit and among other things, none of the "communist" officials during the Cold War times claimed that their countries have reached the state of communism or even got close enough to it.
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 09:34 PM |
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What I meant was, the terminological difference between the socialist and communist phases are a technicality that usually holds secondary importance in a more general, overall talk about politics and leftist movements, because the word socialism started to mean something all together different that is irrelevant to the socialist state phase of the classical doctrine. So, when you talk about the socialist state phase of communism, you may still prefer to refer to it as the communist state. (I wont do that when talking to a 65 year old Soviet officer though  )
And Orzie, a more on topic note, turns out this time, they oficially call themselves radicals.
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Minion
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posted January 27, 2015 10:53 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 22:54, 27 Jan 2015.
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I am happy that Greece is saying "NO" to more dept. They will not take any more money from EU no matter what the terms. They would want to renegotiate the existing dept to be without a deadline but instead be tied to economic growth. This is absolutely the best idea imho because if Greece prospers then the investors prosper. Now the situatioan is hopeless and on an endless loop.
Edit: What has communism to do with any of this topic?
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artu
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posted January 27, 2015 11:07 PM |
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Minion said:
What has communism to do with any of this topic?
A movement that includes within itself communist fractions and that calls itself the Coalition of the Radical Left won the election (the topic). It's not exactly apples and oranges.
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Minion
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posted January 27, 2015 11:17 PM |
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We have a far left party too and no one associates it with communists, because they drive a whole different agenda. It only polarizes the conversation tbh, I don't see the need for that.
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