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posted February 09, 2015 07:07 PM |
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@artu
Politics tainted everything, even literature. However, I think that happened even before postmodernism, if we look at the satires before 19th century. And yes, I must confess that postmodern works can bore average reader, even some scholars, because after some time you ask yourself are all those references for people or for academics? Are they necessary? Another question is, are postmodern authors competing who'll have more intertexuality in their works? Of course, not all of them are like that, but the question still stands.
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Sorry if the discussion went far from the original question/topic.   Yes, every action has a reaction. But there are following issues: when is this reaction going to occur, in what way will it manifest itself, how long will it last and what will this reaction make from us? The issue I have with postmodernism is that it is so auto-destructive: we cannot know the truth, impossibility to separate reality and illusion, chaos, issue of identity, etc. It provides no safe ground which can be our support, it is too depresive...
I cannot comment Tarentino, because I watched his films only in fragments. As for Nolan, well I'm not sure if he is original or not, but he sure is talented. 
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posted February 09, 2015 07:17 PM |
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Yes but satire is a field specifically convenient for writing political and it's hardly any great writer's main focus or masterpiece material before 20th Century except maybe Johnattan Swift and Gulliver's Travels.
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Sleeping_Sun
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posted February 09, 2015 07:26 PM |
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I think there's an English writer who generally wrote political satires, though I cannot remember his name. I might be wrong, but I have to check it.
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posted February 09, 2015 07:37 PM |
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You may be thinking about Alexander Pope, not all his satire is strictly political though.
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emilsn91
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posted February 09, 2015 08:12 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
@emilsn91
Sorry if the discussion went far from the original question/topic. Yes, every action has a reaction. But there are following issues: when is this reaction going to occur, in what way will it manifest itself, how long will it last and what will this reaction make from us? The issue I have with postmodernism is that it is so auto-destructive: we cannot know the truth, impossibility to separate reality and illusion, chaos, issue of identity, etc. It provides no safe ground which can be our support, it is too depresive...
I cannot comment Tarentino, because I watched his films only in fragments. As for Nolan, well I'm not sure if he is original or not, but he sure is talented.
No no, I do not mind.
And of course no one knows when the reaction will occur, but that is the beauty of litteratue and art. It evovles and changes alongside the change in society.
I just see Nolan as a director, who does movies for the movies, and not to please the audience. I believe that to him it is art, not just entertainment, which I respect him for.
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posted February 09, 2015 08:59 PM |
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artu said:
You may be thinking about Alexander Pope, not all his satire is strictly political though.
I guess you are right. I just wonder why I thought there was an author.  Nevermind.
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posted February 10, 2015 05:16 AM |
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Edited by markkur at 05:17, 10 Feb 2015.
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artu said:
Yes but satire is a field specifically convenient for writing political and it's hardly any great writer's main focus or masterpiece material before 20th Century except maybe Jonathan Swift and Gulliver's Travels.
Artu, iirc Battle of the Books fits this conversation nicely. Swift was cutting-edge and still is. <imo> his stab at Academia still resonates to some degree, since snobbery can yet be a byproduct of University and also takes new forms. (Someone should write something on people and their phones. <L>
I have to take those guys in very small doses. But today that sort is not very relevant, since veiled jabs are no longer trendy. Now it's the wonderful age of "in your face baby!"
For me there's also the likelihood of "If you're not part of the solution than you're part of the problem." JS was probably sort of a needed jail-break from the highbrow stuffiness of yesteryear but today...what the heck is revered? Everyone's a critic, the www is fashioned on the stuff and fortunes are now made in the art of complaint/ramble. All the while, the squeaky-wheels just get louder.
I wonder what the ocean would look like if you put the problem-identifiers into little red rubber boats and the problem-solvers into little green paddle-boats?
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posted February 11, 2015 12:04 PM |
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Do you believe that people outside of the USA should watch TWOOz? Because I am starting to wonder if I should
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posted February 11, 2015 12:32 PM |
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emilsn91 said:
Do you believe that people outside of the USA should watch TWOOz? Because I am starting to wonder if I should
People everywhere should watch very little of anything. Move, move, and move some more; do arts, do crafts, learn how-to repair/refurbish stuff and then only read books in the downtime. Forget the eye-candy window and the eternal soap-opera exists.
But then again, I'm easily bored by today's <ahem> enter-taint-meant.
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posted February 11, 2015 12:37 PM |
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But to do art one must know art and that is by reading/watching/listening to it, whatever field you pick.
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posted February 11, 2015 01:14 PM |
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artu said:
But to do art one must know art and that is by reading/watching/listening to it, whatever field you pick.
Yeah and none of the three will happen watching entertainment fare. Listening to a CD or watching a how-to vid works too but you knew that.
Btw, I did watch one video years ago, on oil-painting. Bill Alexander and his "mighty-clouds" Too bad he didn't do an Emerald city.
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posted February 11, 2015 01:40 PM |
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Edited by artu at 14:16, 11 Feb 2015.
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I dont think the line is always that distinct. Especially, in the last ten years, television series got seriously better in terms of quality drama, for example. Is Breaking Bad entertainment, yes, but the writing was much better than most of the films I've seen recently. One must remember that a lot of the quality art which are considered classics now, were also produced also to sell back in the day. Of course, there is popcorn stuff too but hey, one must have some meaningless fun sometimes.
Although, if we're talking about wasting time away, I'd say internet is the real monster. I seriously consider not connecting to the internet at least 2 days a week in the forthcoming years.
Edit: Btw, when I mentioned watching stuff, I didnt mean "how to" videos. I meant watching things that are art themselves. I think that was what his question was based on also, he meant is the Wizard of Oz a significant piece of work, worthy of watching if you are not American and the cultural nostalgia is off the equation. My answer would be, it isnt a "everybody should see this before they die" level of movie but, if someone is significantly interested in cinema, it would be good to see it even if only for its historical significance and to see how was fantasy movies back in the 1930's. Watching classics from different periods also lets you develop a historical perspective, lets you see how society and what they expect from a movie changes through time. These are all worth spending an evening watching the Wizard of Oz. It sure beats watching a dumbass TV show just out of boredom.
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emilsn91
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posted February 14, 2015 05:07 PM |
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On a side note
So just started on the 6th season of Scrubs..
And I have started to rethink the whole intertextuality thing.. The scene was J.D and Turk talking, and then J.D mentioned a at the time contempary person and story, which made me giggle.. and then I thought to myself; by making these reference to society makes the universe and the characters feel normal and more aproachable. You feel more connected to them as persons, and do not think the show as made up..
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