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Sligneris
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posted March 21, 2015 02:20 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
"Erwan, can we god ahead with the story? I have a nice script for Inferno splitting just like the Elves. Sareth founds his own Inferno, like the Urgash Messiah, leading the "good" Inferno creatures out of Sheogh..." "No, sorry, didn't make up my mind, yet, how we will continue this. Meanwhile we could explore the start of the the Holy Empire, Ronan Falcon unifying the clans..."
Wow, blaming Erwan for everything again? 
Technically though, wouldn't letting the Void win mean annihilation not only of Ashan, but also all of its souls? After all, these seemed to be created by Asha, did they not?
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 21, 2015 02:59 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Technically though, wouldn't letting the Void win mean annihilation not only of Ashan, but also all of its souls? After all, these seemed to be created by Asha, did they not?
i wouldn't be opposed to that
frankly, i just want something new. some change, almost any change would be welcome, really.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 03:39 PM |
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Sligneris said:
JollyJoker said:
"Erwan, can we god ahead with the story? I have a nice script for Inferno splitting just like the Elves. Sareth founds his own Inferno, like the Urgash Messiah, leading the "good" Inferno creatures out of Sheogh..." "No, sorry, didn't make up my mind, yet, how we will continue this. Meanwhile we could explore the start of the the Holy Empire, Ronan Falcon unifying the clans..."
Wow, blaming Erwan for everything again?
So according to you who's the one to blame for Ashan if not the one who writes it?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 03:51 PM |
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Erwan created the world of Ashan, but he's not the one writing the story. Storylines are made by other people altogether, while that made-up discussion was created simply for the sake of portraying Erwan rejecting "good" ideas.
Can't exactly say that I like it, but this was just an offhand comment I made, nothing I actually wanted to elaborate on - I actually kinda got used to how things are in this community by now.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted March 21, 2015 03:56 PM |
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Background Lore
After the events of Dark Messiah Kha Beleth is freed and Sheogh disintegrates, leaving scorns of demons on the surface of Ashan and its undergrounds. This event has such an impact that all races in Ashan are shaken to their core. The aftershocks of the events fall heavy on the holy Empire that is still in the middle of reform and the recent incidents with the red Queen and Isabella’s war are still recent.
Dwarves and Dungeon are the first to face the demon threat. The Volcanos that act as doorways erupt and the Dwarves are found to be fighting two fronts, saving their homelands from fire and lava and also battling the Demon armies at their doorsteps. The council of Faceless are unable to gather sufficient and accurate information regarding the events and although knowing what is happening, are unable to guarantee safe passage to the Dark Elves, leaving them face to face with demons.
In short time Demons come out from crevices of the earth, from every cave and mountain and they charge on the surface of Ashan. At this point, all Factions are ready for war. As the war rages, something unexpected happen. The moon explodes and a meteor shower falls over Ashan. From the Irisus Sea, a huge Volcano Forms visible from miles away. In the flash of an eye, two humongous creatures, two Dragons that with their size fill the sky clash. Urgash is free and Asha wakes to counter her brother. Great tremors shake the earth. The colors turn darker everywhere. In their clash, Asha and Urgash start to bleed. Their blood falls into the world creating new nexus and energies and crystals with tremendous power. With each clash, a tear is formed into the fabric of reality and nether seeps through.
The mages understood that the instability would cause reality to unravel and the whole cosmos to unravel and stop to exist, so they started an ancient balancing ritual to mend the cracks. Magic users from all over the world started doing that with their own rituals. The energies gathered that way were enough to safeguard the continuation of reality as Asha and Urgash continued to clash further away into the universe they created.
This event though had some major side effects. Those energies gave rise to new living forms. It would take some years for the other races of Ashan to come across the new threats that came to be on the face of Ashan. Many wars broke out in those years. New alliances were made, new changes within the known factions. The demons found their place on Ashan, on uninhabited and harsh environments, but they now had a place to call “Home-Inferno” as Kha-Beleth envisioned.
Turmoil was also present within Necropolis and Haven. With their Goddess now supposedly gone half of the Undead believed that they were abandoned and wanted to stop worshipping the Spider Goddess while others remained faithful and surmised that now more than ever they had the responsibility to safeguard the balance of Life and Death. This debate lead to what would be called the “Unweave of the Web” where a large portion of the undead left Heresh to create their own reformed Necropolis and differentiate themselves from the Ziggurat as they came to refer to the Spider Worshippers. In Haven, there was a similar incident were Paladins and Knights wanting to ensure that the human race would never again be disgraced as it did in the last years, created a strong political movement that came to hold great power and be considered as a state within the state. The Imperium as it came to be known was in large autonomous and with one goal: to purge all which is impure, evil and strays too far from the teachings of Elrath.
On the shores of the Jade Sea, the Naga come along two new life forms. Lizard but also like human and Human but also like frog. The creatures live together but under primitive conditions. Their discovery is seen by the Naga as the will of Shalassa to accept those new beings into her kingdom. But the Eternal Empress sees a vision directly from Shalassa that those beings are to be trained and educated by the Naga but not to join the ranks of Sanctuary as Sylanna also claims them as their children. It is decided that both Sylvan and Sanctuary will help create a new home for these beings that will be close to both water and land, in marshes and swamps. And in the ten years that pass, the new faction gets to be known as Citadel.
This is a background story about the faction i am creating for ICTC 8. I did try to create a more "traditional" Necropolis and a darker Haven. There is no mention of Sareth, true that and an omission i must fix, but still, would these story feel better to you as Heroes VIII moving forward?
Also, a question to ponder. If sheogh is destroyed, wouldn't Urgash roam free? That was my assumption in making Urgash and Asha awaken.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 04:02 PM |
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Actually, there's 16 years between Tribes of the East and Dark Messiah... not so recent anymore, if you ask me.
That being said, Urgash was imprisoned by Asha, not Sar-Elam - so it's not certain whether Urgash would be freed as well, with the destructions of Sheogh's walls.
On a side note, where are you from? "Imperium" and "Isabella" are not proper spellings, but are quite common for some reason.
"Sylvan", "Inferno", "Sanctuary", "Haven", "Dungeon" etc. are rarely used to describe factions in-universe though.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted March 21, 2015 04:06 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Actually, there's 16 years between Tribes of the East and Dark Messiah... not so recent anymore, if you ask me.
That i did not know. Honestly, i am having a difficult time keeping up with the timelines of Ashan. Even so, allow me to support my notion bu saying that 16 or even 20 years in the lifespan of a civilization under pressure of war, betrayal, and so forth is still considered recent.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted March 21, 2015 04:10 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Erwan created the world of Ashan, but he's not the one writing the story. Storylines are made by other people altogether,
well to the best of my knowledge, Erwin is the "IP director" and has the power of supreme godlike veto over any storylines or even gameplay features he deems to be unsuitable/crap (for instance rejecting any and all sci-fi, or rejecting any magic systems that aren't the one in Heroes 6)
I'm not going to blame some random underpaid writer just because Erwin is asleep at the wheel, nobody else should either lol
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted March 21, 2015 04:14 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Actually, there's 16 years between Tribes of the East and Dark Messiah... not so recent anymore, if you ask me.
That being said, Urgash was imprisoned by Asha, not Sar-Elam - so it's not certain whether Urgash would be freed as well, with the destructions of Sheogh's walls.
On a side note, where are you from? "Imperium" and "Isabella" are not proper spellings, but are quite common for some reason.
"Sylvan", "Inferno", "Sanctuary", "Haven", "Dungeon" etc. are rarely used to describe factions in-universe though.
Yeah, i do know that Asha imprisoned Urgash, but Sar Elam created Sheogh close to the place Urgash is imprisoned. Maybe, just maybe a disruption of such powerful magic could influence the prison of Urgash. All is possible when creating a story after all.
As for where i am from, let's say Greek. And i have played Heroes V ages ago, so forgive me is i misspell or don't remember names correctly (as for searching them in the internet etc, i do it only if i have time to do so... which becomes less and less nowadays)
Now, as for the Factions, in game they are never referred to as such, but for us, they are what they are.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 05:03 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Erwan created the world of Ashan, but he's not the one writing the story.
Oh, so you're actually picking on that, lol. Then let me rephrase - who's the one to blame for Ashan if not the one who establishes it? Because no mater who what writes, he/she does so according to Erwan's vision and not the other way around. He's the highest decisional factor there is in regards to the M&M IP.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 05:45 PM |
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verriker said:
for instance rejecting any and all sci-fi
I don't see anything bad about that, to be honest. Even stuff from Legacy was a bit too much for my tastes.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted March 21, 2015 06:26 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I don't see anything bad about that, to be honest.
verriker said:
for instance
I mean way to quote me out of context and ignore the main counter argument lol
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 06:31 PM |
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I didn't want to continue the discussion, actually. It's unlikely to bear any fruit...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 21, 2015 06:52 PM |
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 22, 2015 03:54 AM |
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I want a game where whose campaigns consist in:
Might and Magic Heroes VIII: Legends of Ashan
*The Invasion of Tarlad
Heaven campaign. Self explanatory name. Would end with the inminent capture of the Tarlad's Capital and victory of the Empire
*Tuidhanna's Rise
Dungeon campaign. Would start with Tuidahanna's pact and consist in driving out the Human and Elven forces out + rebuilding
*the War of Bitter Ashes
Sylvan campaign. Self explanatory. Would with the sylvan elves being "oopsy demons did it" moment
*The Birth of the Seventh Dragon
Academy campaign. Self explanatory. Jesus-elam adventures. Ends with his transcendence
*The Shadow of Death
Necropolis. Sandro's final plan
*The Rebellion of Beastmen
Make a wild guess
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 23, 2015 12:01 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
"Meanwhile we could explore the start of the the Holy Empire, Ronan Falcon unifying the clans..."
Actually, this would be extremely interesting. Just think how different would all the factions be. Haven would be much more primal with warriors rather than knights, archers rather than marksmen, with no angels or light elementals. It would give quite a different feel, one of an air-focused faction rather than light-focused one, with completely different strategies and abilities.
We could also see lots of quite important characters - Ronan Falcon, of course, but wouldn't it be cool to have Sar-Elam, or Sar-Shazzar appear on the stage? Perhaps even a young, white-winged Belketh?
Innovations wouldn't end on Haven though. Academy would be in their earlier days, without Beastmen or Constructs - they would need to take much more mystical approach, using Djinns, Cabirs... and perhaps even a variation of elementals? 
I don't know, I just feel this here has a lot of potential, even if it would mean no Dungeon, Necropolis, or Stronghold.
GenyaArikado said:
The Invasion of Tarlad
Heaven campaign. Self explanatory name. Would end with the inminent capture of the Tarlad's Capital and victory of the Empire
Tuidhanna's Rise
Dungeon campaign. Would start with Tuidahanna's pact and consist in driving out the Human and Elven forces out + rebuilding
The War of Bitter Ashes
Sylvan campaign. Self explanatory. Would with the sylvan elves being "oopsy demons did it" moment
Hard to shape it into any new plotline that wouldn't be just a recap of what we already know, but I like how these three happen around the same time.
Heroes 6 felt like a wasted opportunity in that regard, as it also occurred around that time... After all, it was Liam Falcon who invaded Tuidhana.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 23, 2015 05:38 AM |
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Yeah i hadnt thought about that. But yeah the human campaign could be about Ronan Falcon era. I dont remember but werent the humans worshippers of Sylath then? Imagine a Haven without Angels.
In fact, those campaigns would require different lineups.
Academy wouldnt have the genies on the very least. Maybe neither titans. I dont recall when were the golems/gargoyles mades.
Dungeon set in the dark Tarlad era would probably be different too
Sylvan probably wouldnt have dryads/trents
Stronghold could still have creatures like mermaids, gnolls and lizardmen
And Sandro necropolis = Void necropolis
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 23, 2015 02:20 PM |
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Nah... I don't want a single game to jump too much around the timeline. My talk about Ronan Falcon was a about a whole game set in 1st century of the Seventh Dragon.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 23, 2015 02:28 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
*The Birth of the Seventh Dragon
Academy campaign. Self explanatory. Jesus-elam adventures. Ends with his transcendence
no thank you. Sar-Elam can continue being some vague figure no one knows anything about. keep her mysterious
GenyaArikado said:
*The Rebellion of Beastmen
Make a wild guess
this needs to happen however
the rest i don't care about.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted March 23, 2015 03:10 PM |
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Heroes VIII i believe needs to use both past and present. Meaning that it should begin with the events of Dark Messiah and in between, it should go back in time to show a relevant story, trying to parallel either how different the past is to the present or how the same things are happening. For example, it could parallel the rebellion of the orcs and beast-men to the demons trying to free themselves from Sheogh and how they are different. Or it could show how Sareth struggles on what to do with the way the Academy struggled with what to do with the Beastmen or the Necromancers and so on.
What i'd like to see though, however how the story will go, is Haven taken a break from the game and the focus being somewhere else.
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