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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 18, 2015 12:52 AM |
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Poll Question:
Ditch Ashan?
Let's face it: Ashan is a terribly lame setting for the game. The lore lacks any depth and doesn't make any sense. The dragon gods are completely ridiculous, the characters are shallow, the nations/races are horribly cliche and stereotypical. They ruined most of what made HoMM stand out from other series. All the stories, all the characters we loved, like Gem, Gauldoth, Waerjack, Emilia, Tawni, Sandro, Alamar etc - gone, replaced with garbage borrowed from Warhammer and WoW.
I don't have any antipathy towards the developers, however. I feel sorry for them. They can't be happy knowing that they will never make something as great as Heroes III, because Ubisoft has decided that. In the best of worlds, they would be allowed to return to Axeoth and pick up the loose threads that Heroes IV left. This is something of an utopia though - fine. Let our heroes rest in peace, without the degenerating influence of Ubi. But at least ditch Ashan. Let there be so thing new instead - something original, inspired by the real Heroes games and not some generic fantasy mumbo jumbo. Let the warlocks return, let the swamp town return, let the barbarians return as well - ditch the ridiculous sado-elves, the Warcraft Naga and the orcs.
Myself, I will never buy another Heroes game set in Ashan. I dare think that, perhaps, enough people like me should create an incentive for Ubi to think over their strategy for the series and start over. If not, they could at least sell the franchise to another more thoughtful and quality-oriented producer.
Are you with me, Heroes?
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted June 18, 2015 03:00 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 09:16, 18 Jun 2015.
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Yeah, the games need a new world, one that is more imaginatively constructed than the current DragonsRDBomb mess we've got ATM.
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted June 18, 2015 11:26 AM |
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Ashan has only scarce room for improvement, for new factions and stories. The developers repeating the same stories with the same settings are a clear sign for that. Thus, I think Ashan should be dropped. Problem is: it won't be. Ashan gets hate from fans since H5, and it was never taken into account.
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted June 18, 2015 11:59 AM |
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted June 18, 2015 12:36 PM |
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I <333 Ashan!The lore is really great and makes sense,and everyone who plays it can understand it.Enroth and blah,blah,blah other archeological worlds cant make any sense even if u read all of enroths wiki.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted June 18, 2015 12:41 PM |
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I'm in the minority that actually prefers Ashan over the previous worlds and outcome of this vote will not surprise me.
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted June 18, 2015 12:50 PM |
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LightAvatarX said:
I <333 Ashan!The lore is really great and makes sense,and everyone who plays it can understand it.Enroth and blah,blah,blah other archeological worlds cant make any sense even if u read all of enroths wiki.
I definitely have a different view on this. To me, the lore is too narrow, too clear, too simple.
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 18, 2015 12:52 PM |
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Edited by AnkVaati at 13:01, 18 Jun 2015.
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magnomagus said:
there was already very looooooong thread about this:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?action=showpoll&TID=40567
My bad. Seems we are firmly the majority through. Was afraid that many younger players who never experienced the original universe wouldn't understand what the fuss was about. Do humanity a favour and introduce HoMM III (or II, IV) teenage players. Even if it's the HD edition it should enlighten them.
http://www.celestialheavens.com/viewpage.php?id=779
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When Celestial Heavens was still a StrategyPlanet site, one of its forum members visited New World Computing and saw the planned Heroes V factions on a drawing board. Based on exclusive information, I can confirm that the six planned factions he described were indeed conceptualised under these preliminary names/themes: Lizard, Mythic, Haven, Tower, Necropolis and Fairy. In essence, influence from all eight of the classic Heroes III factions (aside from the Inferno) remained: Haven, Tower, Necropolis and Fairy need no further introduction, Lizard was a clear successor to the reptilian Fortress, and the Mythic town denoted the Gothic themes of the original Dungeon of Heroes I and II, "fused" with the brute force of the Stronghold and boasting architecture comparable to a Greek Acropolis.
Whenever I think of the fact that Heroes V could have given us the swamp town back, the sorceress town as well, and most of all, an Ancient Greek Warlock faction - but instead came with Warcraft nagas, Legolaz elves specialising in bad poertry, and (worst of all) sado-elves, I die inside a little.
Jiriki9 said:
LightAvatarX said:
I <333 Ashan!The lore is really great and makes sense,and everyone who plays it can understand it.Enroth and blah,blah,blah other archeological worlds cant make any sense even if u read all of enroths wiki.
I definitely have a different view on this. To me, the lore is too narrow, too clear, too simple.
Definetly. The problem with the old lore in that regard is that it's scattered around the web, not that it isn't clear. There exists a timeline somewhere, will look after it once I get back from my vacation and don't have to do job through my phone.
Ashan's lore is generic and lacks depth. Even Warcraft IMHO has more depth lore-wise. Not to mention ESO. Ashan is just "blah blah, the dragon gods who hardly get any character development created the races, and then demons invade every eclipse, and there was some guy called the Seventh dragon who we never get any connection to whatsoever as well." The NWC-lore was original in its setting (high fantasy in a sci-fi universe) as well as in its content (factions based on themes rather than races, etc). It was original, and it was enjoyable.
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted June 18, 2015 01:00 PM |
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Ankvati,I did not say that we dont want other factions like all them u said.But this thread is about ashan's lore.It is different te lore and different the factions and how they are.
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 18, 2015 01:04 PM |
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LightAvatarX said:
Ankvati,I did not say that we dont want other factions like all them u said.But this thread is about ashan's lore.It is different te lore and different the factions and how they are.
The two are intertwined. We won't get the warlocks or the swamp town back, nor the sorceress town or the barbarians - or any new towns either for that matter, as long as we are stuck with this setting.
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted June 18, 2015 01:07 PM |
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Well I have played only ubisoft's might and magic game,so i dont know all this factions u say.But they listen good to me and i would wqnt to see tyhem in the next heroes game!
Besides heroes vii is the last ashan game as the devs said so then probably we have new universe 
But I stll belive that evn there were this factions u said the lore would be as great as it is now!Just we need more factions
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 18, 2015 01:11 PM |
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You wouldn't have gotten them back anyhow. NWC H5 were about to fuse the "warlocks" with the barbarians and make the swamp faction into an all dragon town. Enroth blew up and the factions with them. Its not like NWC, if they had survived, would have kept making H3 over and over again either. H4 should serve as an example as that.
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted June 18, 2015 01:23 PM |
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properkheldar said:
You wouldn't have gotten them back anyhow. NWC H5 were about to fuse the "warlocks" with the barbarians and make the swamp faction into an all dragon town. Enroth blew up and the factions with them. Its not like NWC, if they had survived, would have kept making H3 over and over again either. H4 should serve as an example as that.
Yeah, NWC were creative unlike those who came after. They didn't repeat the same stuff all over again, and more importantly, they didn't base the factions and their lore on generic fantasy cliches. Warlocks + Barbarians would certainly make an interesting mix, and I'm glad it wouldn't have been HoMM III over and over again. Unlike many I actually thought both HIV and "Infernopolis" had potential, they were just poorly executed.
LightAvatarX said:
Besides heroes vii is the last ashan game as the devs said so then probably we have new universe
Now that's wonderful news if it's true. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 18, 2015 01:28 PM |
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LightAvatarX said:
Besides heroes vii is the last ashan game as the devs said so then probably we have new universe
What? Can you source that please??
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 18, 2015 01:30 PM |
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LightAvatarX said:
Besides heroes vii is the last ashan game as the devs said so then probably we have new universe
I highly doubt that. They have however said that H7 is the last game set before Dark Messiah.
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"Man spends his life in reasoning on the past, in complaining of the present, in fearing future."
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Elsa
Hired Hero
oh my
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posted June 18, 2015 01:30 PM |
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Am I the only one who thinks it doesn't matter where the game is set?
Probably.
I think that as long as the gameplay itself is the same across the games, the world doesn't matter. This might be just because I'm not a big campaign player- I've always preferred the shorter scenarios because I'm impatient and completing the campaign takes a bit of time. Therefore, I know nothing about the story in any Heroes game ever, other than what I see posted here(Isabel's kind of an idiot, etc). So, the world doesn't matter, since the world usually only matters in the campaign.
I think of heroes as a multiplayer game. It's always more fun to me to play against one of my friends/family members than to do a campaign. And I think Heroes is meant to be thought of like this- the story is less important than the muiltiplayer aspect, and therefore the lore/world/characters is less important than the muiltiplayer aspect.
So, because of the reasons explained above, I think Ashan is a perfectly fine setting for Heroes. As long as they don't radically change the game itself, that world is okay with me.
Also, they could add any town ever if they wanted- correct me if I'm wrong, but there were no Nagas in homm5. No mention of them, no town, nothing, they just came out of nowhere. And people seemed fine with it. So they could just say something like "heey btw 4tress is be underground 4 7000 milena theiyre bak now tho"(or something just as random) and I don't think anyone would complain too much.
Anyway, that's just what I think. Feel free to disagree.
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted June 18, 2015 01:39 PM |
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In heroes vii first twitch they said that this is the last game before dark meesiah's events and tyen of dark messiah will probably make a might and magic game,surely not heroes but maybe mmxi wit the last battle of ashan with the demonds.
Then no ashan!They said that sowewhere in the end of the first twich video...
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted June 18, 2015 02:05 PM |
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Unlike many I actually thought both HIV and "Infernopolis" had potential, they were just poorly executed.
Definitely! H4 had tons of great ideas, they just were poorly executed and came with a lot of not so great ones.
For the matter of lore. Well of course it matters more in campaign. But it defenitely can a have a big impact on factions. I always get the feeling that ashan is quite fixed on what it is. Yes, there was sanctuary and prime magic added and the orcs changed their environment every other game, but it feels still very often pretty much the same, or more steps down then up (I have reasonsnever to have played H6). I think, the more defined the lore is, the more impact it has on gameplay, and that narrows a game down. From H1-H4, Lore was little present in the game itself to me. Sicne H5, this has certainly changed gradually. ANd now Ashan to me feels like somekind of lurking power behind the game, forming it , and in similar shapes all the time.
Also, scrapping ashan does not mean one wants H3 remade 
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Elsa
Hired Hero
oh my
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posted June 18, 2015 02:15 PM |
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Jiriki9 said:
For the matter of lore. Well of course it matters more in campaign. But it defenitely can a have a big impact on factions. I always get the feeling that ashan is quite fixed on what it is. Yes, there was sanctuary and prime magic added and the orcs changed their environment every other game, but it feels still very often pretty much the same, or more steps down then up (I have reasonsnever to have played H6). I think, the more defined the lore is, the more impact it has on gameplay, and that narrows a game down. From H1-H4, Lore was little present in the game itself to me. Sicne H5, this has certainly changed gradually. ANd now Ashan to me feels like somekind of lurking power behind the game, forming it , and in similar shapes all the time.
I understand what you mean by this, and I agree, even the scenarios feel a little different. Maybe if they toned it back a bit that'd be good, though I can see how that might be difficult.
It does also seem difficult to create an entirely new world. If they ditch Ashan, they might make a new world that's a lot worse. Or a lot better. No one can really tell.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 18, 2015 02:25 PM |
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I got the picture that future games if any would also still take part in Ashan. It was said during the days of spider reveals at SC when people complained about them not belonging to necro that next game might take place in time where they were not dominant implying it would still be the same world.
And there won't be M&M XI because X turned out to be a flop financially and even in reviews it was scored average/mixed.
Personally I don't really mind what the world is as long as the game-play is good. If the game does take place in Ashan I do wish they tweaked the lore, making the game-play first and then start fitting the lore in. Lore should just give the general setting, not dictate 95% of everything
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