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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 12, 2015 05:11 PM |
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Avonu said:
"Rush now, think never!" 
FTFY 
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 05:11 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The_Green_Drag said:
But yea all three line ups had only room for one new model for each tier. If blade won, faceless woulda gotten reused and so would the lurker. They knew what kind of crap they were gonna pull from day one.
Hence why they went up against Inferno, where they could've reused just as (if not more) many models! 
Too bad inferno didn't win. I don't care much for them anyways and a new efreet unit would have made all the difference to me. Plus I would prefer a recycled inferno with a proper dungeon in the long run.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted August 12, 2015 05:32 PM |
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Well, you can't expect good news in succession regarding this game. When map making and modding rather gave a boost in interest, comes this.
Never was my favorite since H2, and now it simply could exist just in an alternate dimension.
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GlaDOS – Portal 2
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:20 PM |
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Edited by alexine at 18:28, 12 Aug 2015.
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 this is not how i expected dungeon to look 
Assassin - the basic form is nice, but i really dont like the upgrade, the spiky hair and too much cloth. they look like a heavy soldiers going into first line, not like assassin. At least the abilities are good.
Troglodyt, i like the basic form a lot, very nice model  upgrade is a bit strange with the head, same like on the artwork  but where is the burrowing ability ?
Stalker, its the same case like with assassin, basic is very nice and looks like an assassin, the upgrade looks like a hero not like casual soldier. Ability is very strong against champions
Minotaur is very nice modeled. Both basic and upgrade but the animations are wierd, why is it so slowed ? He is very muscular but cant handle that axe ? I found this strange because swordmaster attacks very fast with a huge sword. I dont like the abilities either because its not fitting to this unit, it attacks slow, but has preemptive strike ?
Medusa - it looks so good on artwork but i didnt find the 3D model very good, its very thin and doesnt look powerful. But i like the coloring a lot, mesmerizing ability is nice, but i think the other one is not fitting them, i thought they are casters ? they need some spell activated ability
Strider - get out of this game please. worst unit in the whole series so far. 
Hydra are excelent !! I love every single thing on them. attack all around combined with lifedrain ? 
Blackdragon - it looks much worse than the artwork, and the "things" in his wings look very unnatural. it doesnt even fire breath ? I dont know what to think about this unit actually. it looks quite wierd. but abilities are good 
i think its a bit dissapointing I dislike the thematic of them being "shadow stalkers" ?(i dont know hot to call them..) i really liked them when they were warlocks with all kinds of destructive spells and mighty creatures ... i think this is not dungeon anymore actually. yeah, im a bit dissapointed but we will see how they fit in the game in the end ...
 i noticed a lot of spelling errors .. so i edited them
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:48 PM |
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alexine said:
I dislike the thematic of them being "shadow stalkers" ?(i dont know hot to call them..) i really liked them when they were warlocks with all kinds of destructive spells and mighty creatures ... i think this is not dungeon anymore actually. yeah, im a bit dissapointed
This. Exactly this.
I couldnt agree more  i want warlocks, overlords and mighty beasts back so bad
I think its pretty ridiculous how the game has turned out as a whole. In the beginning they told us they understood that H3 and H5 were the most popular and successful of the games and they said they knew that H6 was really far behind in comparison. They said they acknowledged these things and that they were going to pick the best things in previous games and leave the bad decisions out of H7. But here we are... there are catastrophes in pretty much every where in the game... things that they were well aware that were bad and yet they did them again...
Im actually more angry at myself for believing in these lies in the beginning...
lol what a rant this turned out to be
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:55 PM |
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Assassin/Shade - concept art awful, the assassin is ok but the shade, wtf?! the amount of unneeded detail and decoration, what is it ? carnival ?
Troglodyte/Chthonian - I like it, especially troglodyte, I wish chthonian could be the same color scheme as troglodyte
Stalker/Tracker - the stalker is really good but the tracker is also overdone especially don't like the cape
Minotaur/Minotaur Guard - liked it in H6 (of course the unupgraded one) so i like the model, just wish the upgrade would be also brown not black, but at least it's not purple
Strider/Soulless - not a fan of this creature but at least it has new model also there is very little difference between basic and the upgrade
Medusa/Medusa Sorceress - it's pearl priestess just recolored the concept art is a lot better, I like the colors, not my fav but ok
Hydra/Dark Hydra - the best creature in dungeon next to trog and minotaur, i like both versions and the upgrade is more blue than purple so it's good thing just with it would be more bulkier, not as thin, just like in the concept art
Shadow Dragon/Black Dragon - umm what can i say ? copy/[aste from H6 nothing different, tragic, the butterfly wings are awful, although the rest of the model also, the concept are is better, the worst creature in dungeon next to shade, shame on devs
I like the townscree because it's not as purple and the building cover the whole screen not just the center,
also the mask on the dungeon hero reminds me of Sons of harpy mask and i like it actually
PS: The shadow lurker and faceless as warfare are offcial now
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 08:39 PM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 20:42, 12 Aug 2015.
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Assassin/Shade: Abilities look good, Assassin looks better, but... *rings bell* Shade... Shade... Shade...
Troglodyte/Chthonian: Why bite is default and headbutt is crit, I have no clue, but other than that, my only issue is "who accidentally swapped the concept arts?"
Stalker/Tracker: Gaudy purple bolts on the Tracker aside, this unit looks pretty good in both appearance and ability. Depending on how effective that armour piercing is, they might be even better than Sylvan hunters.
Minotaur (Guard): Better than last time, for sure. Facial markings on the Guard are a bit much, but that's a minor gripe. They're good.
Strider/Soulless: Initial impressions were negative, but now I'm evening out to a neutral stance... maybe even leaning to positive. I won't get into a debate on whether or not they "fit in", but they don't offend me.
Medusa (Sorceress): Despite ostensibly being a reskin, it doesn't quite feel like a pure reskin. I think they turned out okay... better than the concept art made me believe. I'm okay with them.
Cave/Dark Hydra: Fantastic across the board! 10/10!
Shadow/Black Dragon: ...why?
Townscreen: Mixed about this one. Overall, it looks good, though the mushroomy foreground looks a bit off to me - fortunately interface will likely cover that up. On the downside, the town's structure feels like something of a backpedal on Ubisoft's part - that the stalactite town won the vote, but they opted for a middle ground compromise instead... half on the ceiling, half on the ground. On the upside, I friggin' LOVE that main palace!
Townscreen music: I was expecting disappointment with the units, but I was really let down by the town music. Yeah, it's a good track overall, but it doesn't feel like TOWN music, y'know? Okay, maybe for the first 30 seconds, but then it just feels like general ambience, not "heart of the empire."
Overall: 6/10. Pretty disappointing as a whole, but nothing I absolutely despise. Just a lot of niggling issues that drag the whole down to being my least favourite faction on H7.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 12:51 AM |
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Edited by jhb at 10:10, 13 Aug 2015.
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Man, I got mixed feelings. Some disappointment, but some nice units too. If I had to choose 2 for an improvement, it would be strider and medusa.
I'm ok with elves, stalker/assassin looks nice, good animations. Tracker special looks a bit op though. Maybe it is intended to ignore a % of target's defense? trogg looks nice. Shade got some carnival allegories and maybe tracker got too much gold in her cape, but it's ok i think.
Mino looks nice, medusa looks good too, but I would prefer a more beastly look for her and her snake hair should feel more alive, maybe something more in line with this:
*Back during the votings, I posted this pic here, as a suggestion. It would fit dungeon better, imo.
kiryu133 said:
rather than just "ahea, gonna put my arm up for no reason, lel!"
my thoughts exactly.
strider was a disappointment, I think I had too high expectations for him.. was expecting a good surprise, but the animations kind of reaffirm his humanoid aspect.
hydra looks nice, black dragon looks worse than artwork. Personally, I don't think the artwork was that bad, it kind of reminds me H2. I also don't mind malassa's style moth wings, it was expected. But it seems like it got low res textures, like some people noticed.
Secret animations are cool, overall.
Edit, some ideas:
 
maybe she could change forms from time to time:
Edit2:
Little suggestion for medusa: give some scattered movement to snakes, it would be nice to make at least some of them to move differently of each other and maybe behave like they are "following/watching" the target.
The idea is that it would look more like a 'living hair', a 'den of snakes', not a rasta hair with synchronized movement.
Not that medusa above. =P
These vids may help with some inspiration: living carpet of snakes, a more creepy look, a more beauty/monster look. And a final detail, maybe medusa could shake the end of its tail like a rattlesnake? 
For dragons, at least some tweaks to make it look more like the artwork and improved textures.
For striders.. this one I don't know yet.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 01:38 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:35, 13 Aug 2015.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 13, 2015 08:29 AM |
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 08:44 AM |
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I share with many of you the disappointment called Dungeon. I think we have to follow the same approach as Vampire and Lich. Imo Shadow/Black Dragon must be re-done from scratch, Assassin/Shade and Strider/Soulless must go for good. As it’s clear that Ubi won’t re-do more than two creatures (even it’s not sure that if they would listen to us this time), I think Strider may be replaced by H6 Manticore and Assassin may be replaced by completely new creature (for instance Ahool recently proposed by Minastir & Articun ). Usually I’m against reused creatures but in this case we’re better off without Strider joke and get the cool Manticore. It’s the lesser evil. And before some of you strike me that I’m conservative and so on, I’ll tell you - I’m not against introduction of new creatures, I’m against implementation of crappy new creatures. It’s also clear that Ubi won’t manage to re-do/replace those creatures before the release but they may come as a free patch/DLC few months later. Ubisoft reminded of themselves again.
Also I compared H6 -> H7 reused creatures in the Dungeon line-up so the people who haven’t played/seen the H6 models can see how much the critters differ.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 10:01 AM |
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Edited by jhb at 10:08, 13 Aug 2015.
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alcibiades said:
THat is a really cool image!
Agree alci.
She change forms when using her gaze, here is a pic:
the above is from clash of titans (2010). I hope they consider doing some tweaks in medusa model, at least an improvement in the snake hair.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 13, 2015 10:08 AM |
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alcibiades said:
Stevie said:
Worse Dungeon in the entire history of the franchise.
Seriously?
Stevie has a tendency to overreact.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted August 13, 2015 10:44 AM |
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Now that I look back at the offered line-ups during dungeon voting I can clearly see that devs had every intention to heavily reuse HVI models.
Assassin, Minotaur, Medusa, Dragon, Lurker, Manticore, Faceless and probably Skirmisher are completely reused HVI models with only different color (something that they explained is very easy to do with editor).
Entire HVI line-up is here just spread in 3 offered choices with sprinkes of few new creatures. That hurts me so much. Damn!!!
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 11:44 AM |
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On one hand I am sad that Dungeon finished this way, a lot of reused models and some quite bad units, but on the other hand I am happy that we didn't actually get the Inferno and saw the same treatment for them.
And I must say that I love Hydras, absolutely beautiful. Don't even care about Black Dragons, like I would ever going to buy those boring piles of crap anyway.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 13, 2015 12:44 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Stevie said:
Worse Dungeon in the entire history of the franchise.
Seriously?
I agree that H6 Dungeon is the worst. But H7 Dungeon has to be the most disappointing one.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 12:56 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Stevie said:
Worst Dungeon in the entire history of the franchise.
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. Worse creature composition by a mile, poor concept and an identity crisis, worse abilities and a cheesy racial, copy-pasted models with lower, pixelated textures. Compared to that, purple color coding is at least bearable, but H7 Dungeon is just a mess.
Pawek_13 said:
Stevie has a tendency to overreact.
Save it.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted August 13, 2015 01:11 PM |
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H7, turning people into purple-apologists.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 13, 2015 01:22 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 13:30, 13 Aug 2015.
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Purple (and dark elves) was the only bad thing about H6 dungeon. I'd still say this lineup is just the second worse after 5. I mean, 5 had 4 (4!) Dark elves in the lineup and was the Start of ashan Dungeon we all know and hate. 7 still has some more redeeming qualities in the lineup like medusa and Trogs. Something 5 severely lacked.
Quality of the individual models/units is pretty blatantly bad though.
EDIT:
Overall reaction to H7 dungeon
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 13, 2015 01:54 PM |
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