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fred79
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posted January 18, 2016 01:27 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:41, 18 Jan 2016.
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Corruption in Sports
ok, we've discussed corruption in politics to no end. how about corruption in sports? since i've been interested in sports, i always questioned certain actions made by people, where it was apparent to me that they were either cheating, or throwing the fight/play/game, etc.
i've only ever seen one instance of someone coming forward about it in the news, and that's from the news today(it's far from the best journalism i've ever seen, but the point stands). now, i understand that any kind of business where there is a lot of money involved, and betting/bribery/promotion can come into play; there is a certainty that money is exchanging hands somewhere(this is the same reason i think politicians are paid off/actors, actresses, and artists are killed to either shift power or to promote something by that business; etc); and you are only made aware of those who are caught(or didn't hold up their end of a deal somewhere; and thus turned in).
so, that's what this thread is about: corruption in sports. i'd like to hear what everyone thinks. i've seen so many blatantly wrong calls/blatantly horrible efforts at tackling, catching, holding the ball, and kicking in football recently(the bronco's/steeler's game last night comes to mind; with the instance of the refs calling a clear fumble "an incomplete pass". and this is just one of MANY such instances i've seen that helped to decide an outcome of a game), that i don't see why there isn't more complaints about it, or anyone else coming forward(other than the fear of ending up "committing suicide" or "having an accident"). i know corruption is rampant in sports the same as any other area where large amounts of cash flow(the entertainment industry is BIG TIME into it, just as much as politics; i have no doubt), you'd have to be blind and partial to having your "reality" hand-fed to you, to not understand that(lol, i'm stating my view on it here in the op, so i don't have to later. i realize that might not be popular for an op; but oh well ).
anyway; thoughts?
edit: missed a bracket.
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posted January 18, 2016 01:37 PM |
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Corruption in soccer has been running rampant lately. And always at the so called highest levels, for both club and international games.
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posted January 18, 2016 08:06 PM |
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It's pretty bad, tbh. Football (I refuse to use the term "Soccer" ) is especially plagued by corruption, and until we have technology implemented to detect offside (for example) and video replays to analyze troublesome fouls, it will stay like that.
Another thing is steroids, which are mandatory. Every professional athlete takes them.
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posted January 18, 2016 09:37 PM |
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Well fred already used football to talk about American one.
FIFA is even more corrupt than Romanian government, and that's saying something. 
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posted January 18, 2016 10:06 PM |
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american football or non-american football, it doesn't make a difference. sports are sports. let's not get diverted into politics, either. that's for the other thread.
come on, i know there are more than a few sports fans out there who have seen some snow that they knew wasn't kosher. this stuff needs to be addressed.
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posted January 18, 2016 10:10 PM |
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Oh sorry, but soccer is more about politics at the high levels... didn't mean to divert.
And as for those things, I've seen many, including one of my team's players that scored an obvious own goal in a game against cross-town rivals;
but I haven't watched other sports as much.
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posted January 18, 2016 10:20 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:23, 18 Jan 2016.
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no prob dd. i've been watching a lot of football all season(though i have missed a lot too, to be honest), and i've seen snow that i thought only happened in boxing and whatnot. it's pretty obvious you can see who's on the take. i'm getting the feeling that it's like the first nolan batman movie: there's only one guy here and there who isn't playing a dirty game. that's hopefully an exaggeration, though.
you can certainly see WHO'S getting something on the side, though. if i went back and watched the entire season, i could have quite a collection of names and proof to post here, easy: players, coaches, refs... i wonder how much money is exchanging hands. somebody's making millions, and it isn't only the players.
the question is, where does that money go? what does it get invested in? what OTHER corruption is being funded with that cash?
edit: goddamn it, i just did the same thing you did, dd. it's difficult to reference one without the others. 
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posted January 18, 2016 11:41 PM |
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I don't get why one would be corrupt in top level football with those salaries.. it's high risk for little reward if you ask me.
In esports, counter-strike, the producer of the game, Valve, has recently announced that people who were caught losing on purpose will be permanently banned from any Valve sponsored competitions. There were two cases where teams apparently lost on purpose and won ~500$ worth of worthless pixels..
Now compare that to the top salaries of the best players which is probably around ~.5 million a year..
In football the money may be much higher overall, but I imagine the same concept applies, unless you're hardly making a living out of it, it's a huge risk with little reward..
For referees it's an entirely different matter though. The wages of the best refs who goes to world cups, etc. may be worse than what borderline amateurs gets some times.
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posted January 19, 2016 12:23 AM |
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I'm not that interested of sports but when people are doping in personal sports like running, annoying but people are greedy.
Don't care what they use in football or hockey but other thing what is messed up, is the salaries. Now they did cap it in NHL and lowered star players salaries  It's still ridiculous.. and what they got in formulas are probably even more absurd. They should limit these and transfers "the winnings" to juniour support programs or other future generations developments but no. All to our pockets and 10 millions to every Messi in the business.. Not good. Then they go to live in some island whit carefree tax policy, what is understandable but just shows that the system fails once again
/End of rant
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posted January 19, 2016 05:14 PM |
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I quit watching Sports a long time back. But I got sick of a different corruption i.e. When a player is a strong suspect in a murder-case but because he is a central player on a pro-team "that's in the running' he can usurp the legal process with the blessing of his league? No...just never. Done then and still am.
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posted February 08, 2016 05:25 AM |
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so. superbowl 50 went down exactly as predicted(meaning, it was rigged out the ass).
fred79 said:
we already know who's going to win. if the bronco's win, you'll definitely know that the superbowl was rigged from the start. if you don't understand that, and think the bronco's just "played really well", or the panthers "just made a mistake"(or one too many), you're a dumbass.
the panthers have pretty much steamrolled their way to the superbowl. the only reason the bronco's would win, is because they're the underdog; and it make fans of every team who AREN'T panther fans, feel better because the panthers wiped the floor with their teams. if the bronco's win, it was because the people who are being paid off, wanted it to be that way.
you know i'm right. don't even try to deny it, because i'll just laugh at you. 
oh yeah, and because peyton manning is old and will retire, they'll give it to him. forgot to put that one.
so anyway, i wrote down what i saw during the game, as far as highly questionable behavior(mostly from the refs):
1. in the 1st quarter, a panther made a CLEAR catch(from 3 different angles) that was called incomplete. panther's challenged the call, and the refs STILL called it incomplete. makes me wonder what footage of the catch THEY saw.
2. panther's quarterback checks right during a play, sees guy coming to tackle him, makes no move to get out of the way OR to toss the ball away, even though they're not far from the bronco's in-zone. ball is stripped from him, and bronco's get a touchdown because of their proximity to their in-zone.
3. panther's had to re-kick punt in 2nd quarter, because of "inelligible receiver" call. panther's punts again, punt lands on 50 yd line(i guess that satisfied the ref's better).
4. questionable note: 2 stripped balls, in back-to-back plays in 2nd quarter, in favor of bronco's.
5. in 2nd quarter, peyton manning threw ball DIRECTLY TO panther, like 10 yd's away, IF that(possibly trying to balance the anti-panther/pro-bronco's moves by refs and players, in the public eye).
6. 3rd quarter- no flag on bronco's, OBVIOUS offsides(or false start), during field goal attempt by panthers that missed. call would have reset the panthers for another field goal attempt, giving them another chance at a 3-pointer.
7. 4th quarter- during beginning, unsportsmanlike conduct called on a panther, for smacking the ball from a bronco, after bronco made a catch. said bronco was NOT called on for excessive celebration(unsportsmanlike conduct). if he was, like he should have been, then both penalties would have canceled each other out. turnover on downs, and panther's had to punt because of that.
8. no pass interference call on bronco, 20 yards from panther goal in 4th quarter. panthers had to settle for field goal.
9. panther quarterback doesn't go for fumble that left his hands, just stands there looking at the ball while other players go for it. BALL WASN'T EVEN IN FORWARD MOTION WHEN IT WAS FUMBLED, which would negate a fumble call in the first place. bronco's were able to score again, because of this.
so anyway, what i thought would happen because of corruption in sports, happened. i took notes this time, in case anyone would try to question it. again, if anyone tries to deny that this kind of thing is false, and that what i am spouting is "just another conspiracy theory"; then i would advise you to start putting two and two together, people. the signs are there; all you have to do is look for them with your eyes, and stop denying to yourself that they exist.
same goes for anything else i rant about, while i'm at it. i defy anyone to convince me otherwise. i'll have to warn you, that you won't be able to; because i'm not a dumbass.
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posted February 08, 2016 09:12 AM |
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There will always be questionable actions on all sides of the bargain. Personally, I do not give a blind bat's eye for corruption permeating the sports as it simply ruins the pleasure of watching it. Whatever happens, happens.
There are some sports I follow which can be considered even harder to detect a throw in - snooker, for one. A few years back, one of the best ever players was embroiled in a scandal where he was said to have been flown to some eastern european country to take a healthy bribe at gunpoint (how true that is we will never know, but it set the precedent as he virtually escaped scot-free). Then a year later, another pro got like a 12 year ban (effectively ending his career) for involvement in match-fixing. And he was an awesome player, one of the most fluid cue actions you could ever see.
This is why it is almost illogical to bet on sports like that, but mostly it's the betting, rather than the viewing pleasure, this behaviour hinders.
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posted February 08, 2016 09:14 AM |
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wish the Panthers had won, not that I watch much of the sport from here though.
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