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alcibiades
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posted January 24, 2016 10:18 AM |
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Nelgirith said:
alcibiades said:
I'm not saying I find it a likely scenario, I just don't feel that answering a flat no to the question is really representative, because if they pulled a complete make-over I would most likely buy the expansion. But then again, since I haven't even bought the core game, this might be so much of a hypothetical that I should just go with "no".
After being fooled for so many years, I can't understand how someone could even "consider buying an xpack". Ubisoft has done that ever since they took over the franchise : releasing unfinished and bug plagued games, fixing them very slowly over time, releasing xpacks that fix the basic game or add features that were promised with the basic game.
Considering buying an xpack is just giving them the right to do the same thing again and again as they did for H5 and for H6 ... and most likely for H7.
Well, H5 did end up being an excellent game. Perfect? No, but gameplay wise (if not performance wise) the best of the series imo. And that in spite of a horrible state of the game at release. So it's not purely a hypothetical - but of course it requires someone on board with the project who actually wants to take it in the direction that we wish, which has not been the case with H6 and H7.
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Elvin
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posted January 24, 2016 10:56 AM |
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Even without the reasons ubi has given us not to, I don't see why anyone would give money up front for something he has not seen and tried for oneself.
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fred79
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posted January 24, 2016 11:18 AM |
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Elvin said:
Even without the reasons ubi has given us not to, I don't see why anyone would give money up front for something he has not seen and tried for oneself.
people used to have to do the same thing with tapes and cd's. i ended up buying a lot of stuff that wasn't worth listening to, or only had a couple good songs on them. and i can't sell them for nowhere near what i paid for them.
and because of this very thing, i think, pirating was born. the only people to really blame are the industries that produce crap and expect people to pay for it without knowing what they're getting into.
so, even though ubisoft claims that people pirate their stuff(and act like they are against piracy), they are directly supporting piracy by putting out junk. they make quality product producers suffer, because of their shoddy worksmanship. decent companies should be just as upset at ubisoft, as the people who have bought their snow.
not that anyone would even want to pirate ubisoft snow anymore, seeing as how much crap they put out on purpose, with but a passing glance at quality; and a sneer towards their target audience.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted January 24, 2016 02:34 PM |
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fred79 said:
and because of this very thing, i think, pirating was born. the only people to really blame are the industries that produce crap and expect people to pay for it without knowing what they're getting into.
I don't believe in that theory. Especially when Russians started piratize games (among which was Heroes III) back a dozen years ago.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 24, 2016 02:39 PM |
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Fun fact, I bought H6, but the key wouldn't get accepted by Uplay, so I had to play Skidrow's version, lol
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fred79
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posted January 24, 2016 03:03 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
I don't believe in that theory. Especially when Russians started piratize games (among which was Heroes III) back a dozen years ago.
the russians are visionaries. they see what's coming before it happens. 
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted February 01, 2016 05:45 PM |
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I will buy a DLC/expansion should it ever be made. Maybe not through pre-order, but I will definately get one eventually (either asap or later).
For the collection. A collection which still misses H1 and H2  .
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 01, 2016 05:57 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
For the collection. A collection which still misses H1 and H2 .
Actually, a collection missing only h6 and h7 is complete.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 01, 2016 06:03 PM |
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This will either ban me as a pariah in the community or maybe it will spark some heated discussions. Hopefuly the damage will not be too great
This is my list of what i expect to see before (added through patches or the Axeoth DLCs) and with the expansion (the two Factions and other stuff) if i should deem it worthy of buying. Keep in mind that this is written under the current knoweledge of what Limbic has shown us is able to do and expecting that they will handle the expansion as well.
Heroes VII Patches leading to Expansion Wish list
1.Introduction
In the off case that heroes VII gets an expansion may this post act as a wish list (hopefully) from the fans to the developers in order for them to know what we expect to see leading to the expansion if we are to buy and support the game. Wwrite down as detailed as you can, what you expect from Heroes VII in order to become a satisfactory game.
I will urge you though to keep in mind that heroes VII in many regards proved to be Heroes VI 2.0. This means that a lot of data will still be re-used from heroes VI and this is unavoidable.
Also, keep in mind that Limbic Entertainment although valiant in its try to bring forth a good Heroes game with the "Best of" in mind, failed greatly on that promise and expecting the world from them will be on our own neck.
Below I will post my own wish list based on what I have seen Limbic can accomplish. My true wishes for this game might be very different or quite similar to what I write below, but I have adapted to what I think this company can achieve and what for me would prove to be a good path towards an expansion.
2.Factions and Lineups
A.Two new Factions, Inferno and Fortress in the first expansion.
Inferno because almost half the units are already in the game and we know the other half will be reused as the developers have done with all current factions in the game that existed in heroes VI. So it is expected that the following will occur:
Reused Units from Heroes VI: Cerberus, Pit Lord, Lillim (already in game), Juggernaut (already in game)
-Possible reused for alternative strong core/elite: Tormentor
-Possible Unique units for alternative core/elite: Maggog, Horned Demon, Cultist, Spawn of Urgash (mini version of Urgash artwork)
-Possible Warfare Units: Siege – Hellworm, Attack/Support - Breeder
Original Units: Imp, Devil, Nightmare/Hellmare, Efreet (expected to appear in game)
Fortress should be in the expansion due to it being the third most wanted faction in the votes and will also provide the highlight of the expansion as the original Faction in the series (since this faction only appeared ion heroes V).
B.Alternative units in lineups for strong core and strong elites (added during free patches):
Haven Alternative Strong Core: Griffin (already in game)
Haven Alternative Strong Elite: Radiant Glory (Reskin of Light Elemental with Different abilities and look) or something new.
Academy Alternative Strong Core: Dervish (Original Unit)
Academy Alternative Strong Elite: Sphinx (Reskin of Lamassu that will make it look like a different unit with different abilities)
Stronghold Alternative Strong Core: Dreamcatcher (Reskin of Heroes VI counterpart) or making gnoll the second strong core and additing goblin (from heroes VI) into the game as the second basic core
Stronghold Alternative Strong Elite: Panther Warrior (Imported from Heroes VI)
Sylvan Alternative Strong Core: Root Snake (since it was in the lineup votes there should be info on it already) or better lowering blade dancer to this spot
Sylvan Alternative Strong Elite: Treant lowered to this tier or else Phoenix imported from Heroes VI. If Treant is lowered as the alternative Strong elite, then Phoenix takes the place as Champion.
-Unicorn or Alicorn (The base model for Unicorn is in the game as the Sylvan Mount. With animations and some abilities it can enter the lineup) to replace Blade Dancer if it goes to Core
Necropolis Alternative Strong Core: Ghoul (Imported from Heroes VI) or Uncle Fester (Old Lich model) renamed as something else and acting as Shooter
Necropolis Alternative Strong Elite: Wraith (as it was in Heroes V, maybe with wings or without the scythe) or a unique new unit like Abomination or the re-introduction of Namtaru which is more possible.
Dungeon Alternative Strong Core: Shadow Panther (that is already in the game) or Lurker (Reskin from the warfare unit)
Dungeon Alternative Strong Elite: Manticore (Imported from Heroes VI – preferred unit) or Faceless (Reskin from Warfare Unit)
C.Unit Abilities
Introduction of new abilities (at least 5 new abilities globally) and change to old unit abilities like i.e. the medusa Mobile shooter, or the Nova ability shared by too many units.
3.Music
At least one more battle theme for each Faction in the game, 2 battle themes for each new Faction. Unique adventure map music for each faction or unique adventure music for each type of terrain.
4.UI
Redesign of the UI to look more to the likes of Heroes III or Heroes IV.
If possible, unique design to the UI for each Faction for immersion.
5.Magic and Spells
At least one new magic for each magic school on each level.
6.Skill System
Two new racial for the new Factions + one or two more skill branches (suggesting the system will remain as is)
7.Miscellaneous
-New heroes for each Faction, preferably of the secondary races in each faction, i.e. Gnolls, Centaurs, Minotaurs, Medusas, Cabirs, Genies, etc.
-Artifacts with unique abilities
-Access to Mods or Modders workshop, or support for players to upload their mods and have access to those mods from within the game.
-Importing Duel of champions into the game as an option from the main menu
-Adventure map buildings
8.Campaigns and Maps
A.Full campaigns for the two new Factions + Independent campaigns based on the other factions
a.Campaigns were there is focus on the units and explaining why or how they ended up in the faction, interesting stories not directly tied to the main story or not tied at all to the main story.
B.More Skirmish and Multiplayer maps (at least 2 for each size)
And now may the gods be with me...
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted February 01, 2016 06:54 PM |
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Galaad said:
Dies_Irae said:
For the collection. A collection which still misses H1 and H2 .
Actually, a collection missing only h6 and h7 is complete.
The Mauritshuis in The Hague is working on organizing an art exhibition centered around the 'ups' and 'downs' of what they have in storage, and what is usually never shown to the public. They have art that's of such questionable 'quality' that I'm sure there are moments when they're like "what are we to do with this, it only takes up space". But they still keep it instead of doing away with it. As a collector myself (not of art, I'm not that rich unfortunately  ), I can imagine this struggle. Coins are my 'specialty', and I have pieces that are expensive, pieces that are cheap and minted by the millions, coins that I find ugly, coins that I find beautiful etc. Why do I buy the ugly ducklings? For the collection. Not because I like them, but for the collection. They need to be there, otherwise there can be no completion. An example: the euro coins of Cyprus. Not particularly aesthetically pleasing, but I collect euro coins, so I need them. Without them, no completion.
Same with Heroes. Considering a collection complete without H6 and H7 (your 'ugly ducklings') is just as wrong as considering it complete without 1 and 2 . So if I buy H7's expansions, it's both for the collection because I own everything from H3 onwards, and because I don't want to have half a game if there is more of it out there. That would be like buying the first Game of Thrones book and leaving the rest untouched.
I wonder if H1 and H2 will even run on modern computers...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 01, 2016 06:57 PM |
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Dude I was just messing around. 
Dies_Irae said:
I wonder if H1 and H2 will even run on modern computers...
Why wouldn't they? You have DOSBOX for it and it works fine.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted February 01, 2016 07:09 PM |
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Galaad said:
Dude I was just messing around.
Dies_Irae said:
I wonder if H1 and H2 will even run on modern computers...
Why wouldn't they? You have DOSBOX for it and it works fine.
Never tried that before, so I wouldn't know how and what. Also, obtaining them individually is likely going to be difficult. There is this box that contains all Heroes games from 1 to 5 including expansions for €16. It's worth considering, because then I also have a physical copy of 3 and 4, which I don't have atm .
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted February 01, 2016 07:51 PM |
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Voted not to pre-order and, might wait for Virtuos to...
...take the job at remaking the whole game in a buggy-free release type of quality programming.
Should be asking if Virtuos will be willing to finish the second expansion of Heroes 6, first and, do a 'Complete' edition of Heroes 6 afterwards. Well, it turns out, that the Complete edition has been done before the a second expansion would fully complete the whole game by having its full 8 factions' content. A Gold vanilla edition has been launched onto the market that simply means that it is completely patched up to its latest version at the moment that you start downloading the digital version of it.
Then, Virtuos could finish the job on Heroes 7. Out with snowy Limbic and, totally in with the Summery and Sunny Virtuos(Wherever these people came from).
I think that only one expansion that would give us the two other factions could be the conclusion to this fictional world of Ashan.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 01, 2016 08:14 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 20:16, 01 Feb 2016.
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Dies_Irae said:
Same with Heroes. Considering a collection complete without H6 and H7 (your 'ugly ducklings') is just as wrong as considering it complete without 1 and 2 . So if I buy H7's expansions, it's both for the collection because I own everything from H3 onwards, and because I don't want to have half a game if there is more of it out there. That would be like buying the first Game of Thrones book and leaving the rest untouched.
nah, it would be like buying the first four Game of Thrones books and then deliberately avoiding fanfiction.net to avoid polluting the mind with lots of ****** Game of Thrones fanfics written by amateurs lol
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Dies_Irae
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posted February 01, 2016 08:33 PM |
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verriker said:
nah, it would be like buying the first four Game of Thrones books and then deliberately avoiding fanfiction.net to avoid polluting the mind with lots of ****** Game of Thrones fanfics written by amateurs lol
There are 5 books as of now .
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 09, 2016 01:29 PM |
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To the OP.. Nope I won't
I didn't do it for the original game, and there is no reason for the expansion.. if tehre will be any.
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted February 19, 2016 08:04 PM |
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This lack of will to truly finish what has been started is really burning me up.
The game needs its other 2 factions in order to finish the job-like project of development.
Since when an Heroes of Might and Magic game has only 6 factions?! I'll tell you when. Since Heroes 6 has been abandoned by a bankrupt developer. Limbic got the contract at patching only. Limbic is comprised of modders only, not real hard code programmers and dedicated professionals of the PC gaming industry.
Virtuos could be another startup modder-patcher type of company.
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EnergyZ
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President of MM Wiki
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posted February 20, 2016 12:03 AM |
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LucPatenaude said:
Since when an Heroes of Might and Magic game has only 6 factions?!
Heroes II, IV, VI (well, the latter in the last expansion pack).
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 20, 2016 01:54 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
LucPatenaude said:
Since when an Heroes of Might and Magic game has only 6 factions?!
Heroes II, IV, VI (well, the latter in the last expansion pack).
VI isn't a HoM&M tho.
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