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SirVeco
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posted May 02, 2016 04:29 PM |
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Edited by SirVeco at 16:31, 02 May 2016.
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Designs which I don't like in H7 Heaven... your option?
Dear Heroes Community Members
I want to share with you my options about Haven units and buildings graphic design I am old school player (I grow up on Heroes 2, 3, 4, and 5) I hope that at least few things been improved in expansion.
I wrote this originally on stream Heroes 7 Forums few of Limbic devs is quite active on it
BUILDINGS
1. Angels/Seraphim building LOOK TOO COMMON/BASIC IT DON’T FIT THIS EPIC HEROES UNIT so I suggest that replace it with old good/fashion “Portal of Glory” from Heroes 3 – Heaven Gate on Sky.
2. Training / Proving Grounds Limbic made it as HALL which is totally unlogical! it must be like Medieval Cavalry Tournament Jousting Ground for Knights on Horses. So I suggest you to replace it with something more realistic like Training Grounds from Heroes 2, 3 and 5.
3. Wolf den look like Roman Legion barracks building not as ANIMAL DEN so I suggests to replace it with something what fit Wolfs better like wolf cave/den and place it near waterfalls on town screen and on place where been your wolf building put new Training/Proving Grounds
4. Resource Silo look like NORMAL guard tower and it is difficult to find on edge of city I suggest that you made new one, bigger and more round in shape like Resource silo in Heroes 3 and place it near market
UNITS
1. Angels I don’t like your two sword Angels/Seraphim design and I think that many persons share this option SO I SUGGEST YOU TO MADE POLL ABOUT IT AND LET PLAYERS TO MADE DECISION ABOUT ITS DESIGN AS YOU ALREADY DO FOR VAMPIRES/LICHS.
I am old school player who like Heroes 3 Angel/Arch Angel
A. Add Angel one Flaming sword for unupgraded Angel and Holy Light sword for upgraded Angel. For design of sword I suggest you use design of Sword of Griffin or Iron Feather sword from Heroes 6.
B. Remove Helmet from upgraded Angel
2. Crossbowmen/Marksman Helmet look very ugly with it. Units looks like basic robots from Star Wars Trade Federation with it on face.
I suggest replacing it with new design which looks similar to Heroes 5 Marksman Helmet.
Historically Archers/Crossbowmen wear only light armors and its Helmets don’t cover its face. It need to have good field of view to get good sense of distance to enemy on battlefield and that it can aim his weapons good. Archer which wear your robotic helmet surly will have limited field of view like Roman Secutor gladiators which wear similar full face helmet.
3. Guardian/Justicar remove Mask from un upgraded Guardian/Justicar she is girl so why to cover her face on both units.
UNIT SKILL:
1. I think that Legionnaire will be cooler if it can have ability to attack enemy in short distance of it with spear (one hex of space from it) like Pikeman from Heroes 4 and when it is in hand to hand combat that it put spear on back and use sword (spear is unpractical in close combat).
+ additional Historic info for Legionnaire. In Roman Army Legionnaires have spear named "Pilum" and common Roman tactic been that use Pilum first when enemy is on distance then switch weapon to "Gladius" Roman sword (in hand to hand combat)
I hope that devs will update at least few things in Haven with new expansion also that you will add better building visibility for dark themed towns like Sylvan and Dungeon. I want "diversity" in tone of buildings so it will be more beautiful and buildings have better visibility.
This poor almost monotone green colored Sylvan city which we have now:
http://heroeszone.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Sylvan_TS.jpg
and something like this I suggest
http://www.hommdb.com/wp-content/uploads/Cover7.jpg
I don't know why is folks that negative vs Heroes 7 yes it have bugs, skill wheel can be much better and have some bad designs options (I wrote about some of it in this post) but It also feel much more like Heroes 3 and single player campaign is fun, AI can be better but at least it isn't slow as AI in Heroes 5.
If we in future after Dwarfs, and skill wheel revamp got Inferno and Sanctuary and ingame random map generator Heroes 7 will become one of best Heroes game ever!
Cheers
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted May 02, 2016 04:47 PM |
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Over armored archers I totally agree with. I would have liked to see a fire blade like in h3 too. But with the sword masters it woulda been too similar. Now if he would have had a sweet axe, or a giant mace or flail, we wouldn't need duel bladed Angels.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted May 02, 2016 04:59 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 17:01, 02 May 2016.
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BUILDINGS
1.agreed. it should at least has some building close to sky, if not on sky floating.
2.dont remember this.
3. i dont agree. a wild den is not welcome in a human city. wild life is not welcome in human city. even if you place it outside, it still doesnt fit, because they are wolves on collars, they are highly trained. they dont learn to obey commans in a den. imho current building is okay.
4.i agree. i think current resource silo building wasnt supposed to be a resource building in early concept stage... and they simply didnt bothered to draw a new one to represent. they most probably used it because it was the only thing they had in hand.
UNITS
1.okay, agreed but honestly redesigning it isnt worth the money. dev team allready struggling to fund improvements, and i think such redesign wouldnt be worth money spent. fixing gameplay is alot more important then fully remade 3D unit model.
2. its really hard to notice details thanks to god awful camera, so i think it doesnt really matter.
3. eh, i totally disagree. i like the mask, i like extra armors. she needs every piece of armor she can get, esspecially because she is a melee fighter. besides, it would be making no sense to remove helmet after upgrade, if there would be a no mask version, it should be non-upgraded version. i also dont like this "girl no need to shy" attitude. sex has nothing to do with battle. its not a fashion show or social expression platform.
btw, i share your hopes towards h7. it still has potential to become something good... maybe even very good. but not in close future as i get it right. they will continue to support game after expansion, and they have still lots to fix/discuss/remake and they are aware of this.
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SirVeco
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 02, 2016 05:20 PM |
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I think that situation with Heroes 7 now will be much better if UBI don't rush Limbic (that it stay at least 6 months in development)
Here is my topic on stream
http://steamcommunity.com/app/321960/discussions/0/364040166668201461/
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SirVeco
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 02, 2016 05:26 PM |
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3. eh, i totally disagree. i like the mask, i like extra armors. she needs every piece of armor she can get, esspecially because she is a melee fighter. besides, it would be making no sense to remove helmet after upgrade, if there would be a no mask version, it should be non-upgraded version. i also dont like this "girl no need to shy" attitude. sex has nothing to do with battle. its not a fashion show or social expression platform.
I think on un upgraded version of Guardian/Justicar
What is your option mate about Sylvan and Dungeon city and its poor building visibility/diversity?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 02, 2016 05:30 PM |
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SirVeco said:
I think that situation with Heroes 7 now will be much better if UBI don't rush Limbic (that it stay at least 6 months in development)
Here is my topic on stream
http://steamcommunity.com/app/321960/discussions/0/364040166668201461/
possible but unfortunately for some I think they would be lucky to get another one month with the vanilla sales as bad as they are lol
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SirVeco
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 03, 2016 10:12 PM |
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I am really excited about news of RMG, devs seems that it start to listen our suggestions. first skills revamp, now RMG 
Also will be nice if it made rewards for all preorders and beta testers, guys & ladies who give good and constructive feedbacks!
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