LizardWarrior said:

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Greetings, noble nwcists and filfthy ashanites, I have seen that some of you question the memory consumption of the gruesome spider-beast known as Herpes 7, spawn of the spider messiah, Erwin de Brettonia and Professor Arthropologist Xavier Penin. So I have decided to use my noobish knowledge of programming, computer science and game engines to prove once and for all that you should never ever let your RAM in close proximity of might and magic heroes 7 or either it's map editor. Aside as it is very prone to crushes, it will utterly destroy your PC, infect it with spiders and have it smolder thick smoke, so any volunteers?

PROJ said:

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I can honestly say if you think homm vii is hard on your computer you must not do much modern gaming.

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Oh, hello there, ashanite, prepare your mind to be blow, as I show you how modern programs intensive programs, as graphic software, game engines and 2016 games won't have the audacity to obscenly devour memory and blatantly rape mistreat your CPU. So below you will see, as I fired up a 3ds max, a 3d modelling software, newest version of photoshop, the Unreal Development Kit, or UE3, the engine which h7 has been made, even UE4 which rocks on full quality (EPIC) graphics at more than 60 FPS on my decent PC, and even Dark Souls 3, a game from spring 2016, whose graphics I set up to max, only consumes about 1.6 GB out of the full 8 GB RAM I got.



But now you'll claim "H7's better!" and scream it in unison. But let me tell you there's an error, I would not dare to open both game and editor, because my PC would fry up, just look at them, over 3 GB each one has, both editor and game. Let's sum them up, shall we? Dark Souls 3:1.6 GB + UE4: 0.7 GB + UDK: 0.4 GB + 3ds max: 0.5 GB + PS: 0.3 GB = 3.5 GB, while only h7 has more than them, 3.6 GB. The editor is more of a mess, when udk only has 0.4 GB consumption, how do you dare defend this?

PROJ said:

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Especially with UE4 games starting to come out, if you don't have a pretty beast machine good luck even starting some of the games coming out in the next couple of years, let alone getting a playable framerate.

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Oh, I see you are talking about UE4, an engine I happen to have used, so using my noobish programming skills, I have decided to put make a test and see how far can I push the memory consumption, so in this case, the worse the programmer, the better! So, I have decided to do something foolish, something so bad that a programmer would be insane to introduce into a product made for the market or even for free distribution. I will make a spawn volume and set it to generate fairly high-poly meshes for a game on an infinite loop, every once at random interval. So I programmed the spawn volume, please excuse if I made noobish mistakes:


ASpawnVolume::ASpawnVolume():
MinDelay(0.1f), MaxDelay(0.2f)
{
// Set this actor to call Tick() every frame.  You can turn this off to improve performance if you don't need it.
PrimaryActorTick.bCanEverTick = false;

//create box component to represent spawning location
SpawnLocation = CreateDefaultSubobject<UBoxComponent>(TEXT("Spawning Location"));
RootComponent = SpawnLocation;

}

// Called when the game starts or when spawned
void ASpawnVolume::BeginPlay()
{
   Super::BeginPlay();
   SpawnDelay = FMath::FRandRange(MinDelay, MaxDelay);
   GetWorldTimerManager().SetTimer(SpawnTimer, this, &ASpawnVolume::SpawnObject, SpawnDelay);

}

void ASpawnVolume::Tick( float DeltaTime )
{
   Super::Tick( DeltaTime );

}

FVector ASpawnVolume::GetRandomPointInVolume()
{
   FVector SpawnOrigin = SpawnLocation->Bounds.Origin;
   FVector SpawnExtent = SpawnLocation->Bounds.BoxExtent;

   const FVector BoxMin = SpawnOrigin - SpawnExtent;
   const FVector BoxMax = SpawnOrigin + SpawnExtent;
   return FMath::RandPointInBox(FBox(BoxMin, BoxMax));
}

void ASpawnVolume::SpawnObject()
{
   //check if we got something to spawn
   if (ObjectToSpawn)
   {
       //check if there's a valid world
       UWorld * const World = GetWorld();
       if (World)
       {
           //set spawn parameters
           FActorSpawnParameters SpawnParams;
           SpawnParams.Owner = this;
           SpawnParams.Instigator = Instigator;

           //get a random spawn location
           FVector SpawnLocation = GetRandomPointInVolume();

           //get a random rotation
           FRotator SpawnRotation;
           SpawnRotation.Yaw   = FMath::FRand() * 360.0f;
           SpawnRotation.Pitch = FMath::FRand() * 360.0f;
           SpawnRotation.Roll  = FMath::FRand() * 360.0f;

           //spawn the object
           APickUp * const Object= World->SpawnActor<APickUp>(ObjectToSpawn, SpawnLocation, SpawnRotation);

           SpawnDelay = FMath::FRandRange(MinDelay, MaxDelay);
           GetWorldTimerManager().SetTimer(SpawnTimer, this, &ASpawnVolume::SpawnObject, SpawnDelay);
       }
   }
}



Then I selected a smoothed Erwin head which has 25k triangles as my 3d mesh to spawn. But what if this isn't enogh? Well, it should be pretty heavy on memory, rendering and spawing a 25k triangle object every once at 0.1 - 0.2 seconds, especially since I didn't set any LOD for it and I will just use my camera at point blank of the spawing point. Let's use a crazy idea, not even the h7 team can screw it that much, let's make an array of arrays that pushes 1k long double values, worth 64 bits each for every erwin head every 0.1 second, so a total 100k values every second per erwin head. So I wrote this function and override the tick to trigger once at 0.1 seconds in blueprints, ignoring the good and mandatory practice of freeing the memory, because I want to make a memory leak.


void APickUp::Tick( float DeltaTime )
{
   Super::Tick( DeltaTime );
   TArray<long double*> temp;

   for (auto i = 0; i != 0x3D0+0x22; ++i) //I really wanted to make the 3do joke
       temp.Push(new long double(i));
   some_array.Push(temp);

}


But now you may say, I'm insane! Did your pc blew up? Let me tell you friends, that's not even close, but first let me tell you the facts! I let it run to spawn around 1000 erwin heads, so 25k triangles * 1k = 25 million tris or 12 million polygons, plus that I let his push up values, I think I hit some billions, as if I let it run just 10 seconds it would be over a million... per erwin head! so let's say I could catch a trillion. But damn, ue4 lags, but it's a beast, this engine, the lions roars, it may lag, but my framerate grows to 60 as soon as I turn the camera in another direction. But let's see how much memory would this consume, the task manager will tell... oh my, oh my, only 0.8 GB!? Heroes 7 would just kill it.

PROJ said:

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I can't take these criticisms seriously, especially since many of the people here clearly understand nothing about computers.

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Then I must say, I can't take you seriously neither, as I have proved with this emprical evidence and your arguments aren't backed up.

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PROJ said:

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while this is cute, 8 gb ram has been shown to be rough on a UE4 game like lawbreakers, which also dips to under 100 fps on my i7-4790k and gtx 970 machine frequently.  I'm also an internal playtester for midair (another UE4 game) that dips framerates.  Hell, homm vii runs better on my old i3-2100 and hd radeon 6950 pc than overwatch does.  That's only a couple of games from several I've tested (including UT4 and savage resurrection).  

Lets use actual UE4 games instead of strawmanning it, shall we?

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PROJ said:

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while this is cute, 8 gb ram has been shown to be rough on a UE4 game like lawbreakers, which also dips to under 100 fps on my i7-4790k and gtx 970 machine frequently.  I'm also an internal playtester for midair (another UE4 game) that dips framerates.  Hell, homm vii runs better on my old i3-2100 and hd radeon 6950 pc than overwatch does.  That's only a couple of games from several I've tested (including UT4 and savage resurrection).  

Lets use actual UE4 games instead of strawmanning it, shall we?

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LizardWarrior said:

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PROJ said:

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while this is cute, 8 gb ram has been shown to be rough on a UE4 game like lawbreakers, which also dips to under 100 fps on my i7-4790k and gtx 970 machine frequently.  I'm also an internal playtester for midair (another UE4 game) that dips framerates.  Hell, homm vii runs better on my old i3-2100 and hd radeon 6950 pc than overwatch does.  That's only a couple of games from several I've tested (including UT4 and savage resurrection).  

Lets use actual UE4 games instead of strawmanning it, shall we?

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First heroes VII uses udk, not UE4.

Second, heroes VII doesn't use udk's full rendering capacity.

Third, heroes VII shouldn't crunch 10 trillion numbers at once, not even saying pushing them up on a dynamic array, which is kinda costly since you have to allocate the whole array every time you add values.

Fourth, you don't even know what strawmanning means. It is an extreme test case, it isn't something you would dare to put in a program, spawning continuously high-poly objects and creating a high memory leak on propose. And dark souls III which is a game newer and far more graphic intense runs smoothly using only 1.5 GB of RAM, so your claim that I'm strawmaning it's entirely unbased.

Fifth, compare h7 with a game like ark survival, or lawbreakers as you say. Look at the render quality, reflections, shaders, then compare them with the washed out h7. Then lawbreakers has a minimum requirement of 4 GB and since it's in a testing phase, it is more normally to have memory leaks, unlike h7.

Sixth, you are using an appeal to authority fallacy, don't you think I played games made in UE4? If I would do the same, I'd say that my opinion is more important because I both played games in UE4 and made games in it. As well as I have spent more time modifying h7, even trying to hex edit and bind dlls to it. Well, I played Ark Survival, which is made in UE4, it indeed uses 4 GB of RAM, and sometimes has a leak and jumps to 6, but just stay a minute and compare them. Unlike Heroes VII, Ark Survival has some top-notch killer graphics and amazing gameplay.

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PROJ said:

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I don't have those issues on a weaker machine.  Are you going to provide data instead of anecdotes?

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cleglaw said:

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game is not well optimized. its not a secret.

im really disturbed by these aggressive words in a heroes forum.

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GenyaArikado said:

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I didnt need a thread to know H7 loads slowly and its poorly optimized, thanks for the numbers i guess, I couldnt be arsed to read since you couldnt help the tacky jokes lol.

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The_Polyglot said:

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Even accounting for the blatant provocation, this is pretty hostile. Please do tone it down guys.

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Elvin said:

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Nothing we didn't know but numbers are always appreciated.

Though this is more of a 'come at me bro' thread

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cleglaw said:

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game is not well optimized. its not a secret.

im really disturbed by these aggressive words in a heroes forum.

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