|
| Thread: HTBASG: Online educataion, pros and cons. Comparing Coursera, EDX, Khan Academy |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 · NEXT» |
|
frostysh
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
WHY?
|
posted October 11, 2016 04:11 AM |
|
Edited by frostysh at 04:58, 12 Oct 2016.
|
HTBASG: Online educataion, pros and cons. Comparing Coursera, EDX, Khan Academy
So we are in the 21 century AD, and we are still alive  . And of course the modern world have a many wonders such as Internet.
I think the Online Education is the one of this wonders along with a Wikipedia. So I decided to become a smarty guy through online education. As many , many other peoples on the Earth.
First I want to type about a pros a cons.
The main pros -
)) The more educated human the harder involve this particular human into a mass-controlling idea. The well educated humans have a huge resistance to the propaganda (at terms of the well-educated I mean a well educated in the field of the Nature Science, such as Chemistry, Genetic, Physics).
)) The larger amount amount of the well-educated humans, means the larger probability to discover something very important and useful - a new usable source of energy for the humanity, a way to heal a HIV, and so on.
)) Usually a well educated humans have an atheistic (or be more preciously - they have a poor care about something that they cannot confirm or deny in the any possible way), humanistic, liberal and so on, points of view, and this is very good for a health of the entire humanity.
)) A well educated humans usually if a very efective in a government, they are interested in the making better of the life conditions of the folks.
)) Well educated humans spreading the knowledge and the educations to the all around, because they able to. They can explain things in the different way than a religion or a similar stuff explaining.
in general I think the well educated humans is a very useful.
The main cons -
)) The well educated humans, especially an engineering specialties  can be used to achieve an evil goals, by a ideology - like organizations.
)) The well educated humans the engineering specialties have a low resistance to the propaganda and to the mass-controlling technologies. In general they usually do things, ans the computer chips, and asking a low amount of questions - that is totally different from a theoretical related Scientists, which usually do nothin' useful and asking a hell lot of a difficult questions . . .
)) The any kind of Scientist can be used by a powerful government to create a weapon or a weapon related technologies - the more Scientists exists, the larger probability to achieve such technologies. There is almost no protections from it.
)) The Technological Progress itself, especially if it is non-controlled, can be a very dangerous. The more Scientists exist the faster this progress will be, the hardest to control it.
I think there is much more pros than cons.
So the massive online education resources that I have found
Coursera - ac. to Wikipedia
Quote:
Coursera is a venture-backed, for-profit, educational technology company that offers massive open online courses (MOOCs). Coursera works with universities and other organizations to make some of their courses available online, offering courses in subjects, such as: physics, engineering, humanities, medicine, biology, social sciences, mathematics, business, computer science, digital marketing, data science, and other subjects.
So I have a questions - can I completed the course-online there without a paying of the single dollar, because I have no single dollar for now  .
Khan Academy - ac to Wikipedia
Quote:
Khan Academy is a non-profit[4] educational organization created in 2006 by educator Salman Khan with the aim of providing a "free, world-class education for anyone, anywhere".[5] The organization produces short lectures in the form of YouTube videos.[6] In addition to micro lectures, the organization's website features practice exercises and tools for educators. All resources are available for free to anyone around the world. The main language of the website is English, but the content is also available in other languages.
It is looks great, but there is a problem for myself with a video lectures and other stuff that I cannot download . Does anybody tried it?
EDX - ac to Wikipedia
Quote:
edX is a massive open online course (MOOC) provider. It hosts online university-level courses in a wide range of disciplines to a worldwide student body, including some courses at no charge. It also conducts research into learning based on how people use its platform. EdX differs from other MOOC providers, such as Coursera and Udacity, in that it is a nonprofit organization and runs on open-source software
It is fine, but have a similar problems as Khan Academy for myself.
So does anybody have a useful advice for my problem - How to become a smarty guy?  In this case with a help of the online education.
And what main differences and the similarities between this online education resources, there is any other good online education resource?
____________
|
|
Celfious
Promising
Legendary Hero
From earth
|
posted October 11, 2016 05:36 AM |
|
Edited by Celfious at 05:37, 11 Oct 2016.
|
God is with us.
What a blessing awaits us.
It is love that you see by understanding the evil motives of these educated men you speak of. I have had great suffering by witnessing the creatures of this world. That will become a blessing known to me.
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted October 11, 2016 11:26 AM |
|
Edited by phe at 12:08, 11 Oct 2016.
|
"online" in unnecessary word...you don't need teacher nor internet just knowledge and good description...maybe just a teacher like this...
Quote:
Usually a well educated humans have an atheistic, humanistic, liberal and so on, points of view, and this is very good for a health of the entire humanity.
atheism turned out to be backwarded worse than religion...abortion, homosexualism, communism, poverty, impunity... it brought another failed "religion" of "humanism" and "democracy" and rule of bad people...people spreading this harm the world...
Quote:
A well educated humans usually if a very efective in a government, they are interested in the making better of the life
conditions of the folks.
as we see a lot of people are educated with diplomas and are living on expense of other people...they often want to have
secure job as state officials and uniform-men which are often unnecessary and costly for others by taxes...they are often
unwiling for necessary budgety cuts and changing profession... they are often rude and corrupted... they are often homosexual cliques...
other people with diplomas of some professions (lawyers) suffer similar diseases and are trade unions restricted for others ...
people do more need job and business possibilities than educaction however let it be really free without budget spendings, taxes for it and restrictions of having diploma or not...
|
|
frostysh
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
WHY?
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 04:55 AM |
|
|
For first - whahahah. For second . . .
Celfious - a nonsense.
Quote:
God is with us.
What a blessing awaits us.
It is love that you see by understanding the evil motives of these educated men you speak of. I have had great suffering by witnessing the creatures of this world. That will become a blessing known to me.
I think you will believe in the any cripted nonsense that can be created by anyone, the more layers of conspiracy over the lie-core the better for you  . You can easily believe into an official nonsense such as Operation Northwood is.. Of course there is a cool stamp there and the human in uniform speaking - It is cannot be lie .
So again, I have very doubts that you are able to break a simple cipher created by a child - this is obviously, because to do it you need a Super Computer like technologies, and I have doubts that you have this technologies.
Do you think this "evil guys" that you are posting about is more stupid than a child that have a basic knowledge in cryptography? 
Do you think, if this peoples is need to hide something, you will have a huge probability to find it .?
As I will say further in this post (to mr/mrs phe I will say it) - if you think that I will confirm any conspiracies that is posted by you, only because it is hided before your steganography - you have find a wrong person . Just find another users (there is some users like that) that will believe in this stuff, and bother them rather than a stupid frostysh 
phe -
Quote:
"online" in unnecessary word...you don't need teacher nor internet just knowledge and good description...maybe just a teacher like
Do you have any idea why the peoples have created a University? - That because to grasp the whole Physics in example for a single person, it is little bit hard quest . .. So you need to grasp a basics, a fundamental thing, a thing that can give to you the possibilities to move further in Science and choose your own way.
But what this things should be, for a new in Science? This is where you need a help from a hundred years of teaching experience, from a professional teachers.
The Online-Free University - have a same goal, but it is somekind of the new era in the education stuff, where anyone, anywhere that have the access to the Global Network and some free time, can become a well educated
I have no ability to see your video, but I think the nonsense you posting.
Quote:
atheism turned out to be backwarded worse than religion
I am sorry, I have posted a too short explanation. This is not a pure atheism, but a Scientific atheism - If cannot confirm or deny the existing of the God, you do not need to bother yourself about the God itself. The Scientist usually have a poor care about the God, because they cannot deny or confirm it, it is like the untouchable aether . So there is no reason to begin a pointless discussions about something that cannot be confirmed or denied in any existing way
Quote:
abortion, homosexualism, communism, poverty, impunity... it brought another failed "religion" of "humanism" and "democracy" and rule of bad people...people spreading this harm the world...
phe, dude , you can found a MANY users on this forum, which will give you the answer like that - "Yes! It is! Holy sacred marriage plundred! Holy sacred Nation is rotting! The impotent democracy is gulty! The impotent political leaders! We need a strong arm! A strong nation! bal bla bla bla blahhh "
But if you think that I will confirm the nonsense that you have posted, you have find a wrong person . So I think would be better to bother someone else with such stuff, before I will unleash a tons of sarcasm
Quote:
as we see a lot of people are educated with diplomas and are living on expense of other people...they often want to have
secure job as state officials and uniform-men which are often unnecessary and costly for others by taxes...they are often
unwiling for necessary budgety cuts and changing profession... they are often rude and corrupted... they are often homosexual cliques...
other people with diplomas of some professions (lawyers) suffer similar diseases and are trade unions restricted for others ...
In the pedophilia like stupid japan cartoon - "Evangelion", there is an organization - N.E.R.V. which is consist of the well (a VERY WELL ) educated humans, and the Tokyo-3 is living fine. .
I mean, when I am looking to the Uncle Sam, i.e., I see a 350 millions of humans that is living like in the paradise comparing to the most of Africa, so I have no doubts, the guys that is "in the rule" in the Uncle Sam have a hell good edumacation .
Quote:
people do more need job and business possibilities than educaction however let it be really free without budget spendings, taxes for it and restrictions of having diploma or not...
I see you have unbetable knowledge in the Global Economic, Sociology, and Industry of the large and powerful states, and so on ... . That is obviously will need for a large Corporation
____________
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 12:24 PM |
|
Edited by phe at 12:27, 12 Oct 2016.
|
Quote:
Do you have any idea why the peoples have created a University? - That because to grasp the whole Physics in example for a single person, it is little bit hard quest . .. So you need to grasp a basics, a fundamental thing, a thing that can give to you the possibilities to move further in Science and choose your own way.
But what this things should be, for a new in Science? This is where you need a help from a hundred years of teaching experience, from a professional teachers.
The Online-Free University - have a same goal, but it is somekind of the new era in the education stuff, where anyone, anywhere that have the access to the Global Network and some free time, can become a well educated
science somehow developed in ancient Greece and Roman Empire without universities...
universities were created in Italy and what they were at the beginning...they learned medieval dogmas about world...
the same was in communist, nazi and democratic states...backwarded dogmas corresponding to current regime ...unmoral experiments, lies, many unnecessary "professors" of unnecessary subjects who reported to secret services, spies, church, lobbies or even criminals, about "suspected" colleagues and students or make some business on schools or were corrupted,
sexual abusing or wrote thesis for somebody else for money.
and what's now for sure all these people of universities do mind free education...they are reluctant to technological changes, politics changes and savings changes...they are red tape, trade union and often criminals nothing more...
Worthy scientist should work about their goals without wasting time on teaching...they write books and that's enough...
I don't mind Online-Free University of course...
after hundreds years of teaching I think we don't need teachers...just books, videos, good description...
many people including scientist because of their atheism are moral relativists, have no ethics at all or profess humanism as fake religion...they live at expense of others often innocent and helpless...their contribution in development is relative or even negative...such value have their lives either...
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 12:50 PM |
|
|
phe said:
after hundreds years of teaching I think we don't need teachers...just books, videos, good description...
I disagree. What is better, read time and again the same indigestible books for years before you may get the gist of it, or have someone explaining it to you, being able to pinpoint which steps of the reasoning you are failing to understand, and help you trigger the answer?
You can't ask a question to a book, or a video, or a description. Not everyone functions the same way, sure books, videos and descriptions can help, but it's nowhere near the efficiency of an actual human being in front of you making sure *you* get it. There is even the risk of learning wrong if you're all by yourself, at any rate the road is longer if you do not find teachers. This is why in example people follow masterclasses, one week there can save you months in the learning process. It is not only understanding it, it is also how to look at it.
A teacher is someone that gives you directly the keys, saving you the time to look for them.
____________
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 01:00 PM |
|
|
Galaad said:
phe said:
after hundreds years of teaching I think we don't need teachers...just books, videos, good description...
I disagree. What is better, read time and again the same indigestible books for years before you may get the gist of it, or have someone explaining it to you, being able to pinpoint which steps of the reasoning you are failing to understand, and help you trigger the answer?
You can't ask a question to a book, or a video, or a description. Not everyone functions the same way, sure books, videos and descriptions can help, but it's nowhere near the efficiency of an actual human being in front of you making sure *you* get it. There is even the risk of learning wrong if you're all by yourself, at any rate the road is longer if you do not find teachers. This is why in example people follow masterclasses, one week there can save you months in the learning process. It is not only understanding it, it is also how to look at it.
A teacher is someone that gives you directly the keys, saving you the time to look for them.
if you cannot understand that means description isn't good...
anyway you can always send letter or email to author...
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 01:13 PM |
|
|
phe said:
if you cannot understand that means description isn't good...
Good for who? The same thing can be explained in many different ways and well explained each time, because not everyone shares the same mental process.
This is actually what we call pedagogy, there is not one but many descriptions, for all different approaches and understandings of the same thing.
Quote:
anyway you can always send letter or email to author...
Sure you can do that, but you said teachers weren't needed, implying this isn't an option.
____________
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 01:27 PM |
|
|
Quote:
phe said:
if you cannot understand that means description isn't good...
Galaad said:
Good for who? The same thing can be explained in many different ways and well explained each time, because not everyone
shares the same mental process.
This is actually what we call pedagogy, there is not one but many descriptions, for all different approaches and understandings of the same thing.
if you have all possible descriptions, any new description you will get from author/teacher/scientist...or they hide something... if they hide, are you sure you get it in school?...
Quote:
phe said:
anyway you can always send letter or email to author...
Galaad said:
Sure you can do that, but you said teachers weren't needed, implying this isn't an option.
author or scientist doesn't have to be a teacher...if so even, even in school you have no guarantee to get good explanation...
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 01:49 PM |
|
|
All I am saying is teachers makes you understand and progress faster, can help you understand concepts you have trouble with on your own, in literally any field. Good teachers is something that can indeed lack in schools and structures, but is definitely generating more good than anything else.
____________
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 01:50 PM |
|
|
There is one thing books have a hard time to communicate, is the enthusiasm. Then no lecture replaces a dialectical dialogue between two participants. That's why people with experience, who know how to connect the dots between virtual information then teach them as an alive organism, are so important in sharing a legacy.
Beside, many things can not be properly coded in words, which have only a limited action without the personal input. How to learn painting from reading books, or music? Whatever is it, you need human contact, it greatly simplifies your journey, then there is another detail a teacher knows, is how to warn someone and avoid doing same errors, therefore learn faster, go farther and emphasize the generational progress.
Then is my job, so stfu
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:03 PM |
|
Edited by phe at 14:06, 12 Oct 2016.
|
if something is completely described in words and videos is enough to learn...if it's not enough that means it's not good described...
anyway I don't mind private schools...especially for such things like music and painting...
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:11 PM |
|
|
This is of course not true. For the simple reason that a video or a book doesn't target one person but any person, so the content it conveys may require certain prior information. So, without the possibility of a dialog, some will be stuck, however it isn't the author's fault.
Take for example the automatization of most of social services today, as anecdote. You call, a robot is answering you. The people who coded this robot thought at covering almost all possible situations, conflicts and questions, however how does that every time one calls, he feels like his specific need isn't in the list?
|
|
tSar-Ivor
Promising
Legendary Hero
Scourge of God
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:22 PM |
|
|
Galaad said:
phe said:
after hundreds years of teaching I think we don't need teachers...just books, videos, good description...
I disagree. What is better, read time and again the same indigestible books for years before you may get the gist of it, or have someone explaining it to you, being able to pinpoint which steps of the reasoning you are failing to understand, and help you trigger the answer?
You can't ask a question to a book, or a video, or a description. Not everyone functions the same way, sure books, videos and descriptions can help, but it's nowhere near the efficiency of an actual human being in front of you making sure *you* get it. There is even the risk of learning wrong if you're all by yourself, at any rate the road is longer if you do not find teachers. This is why in example people follow masterclasses, one week there can save you months in the learning process. It is not only understanding it, it is also how to look at it.
A teacher is someone that gives you directly the keys, saving you the time to look for them.
The problem isn't the children failing to learn, it's that we don't realize that we're trying to cram crap into their brains, 95% of my old secondary school history book is utter rubbish, broad claims with strawman arguments at best and it makes false claims. In science and math you have to watch out for pacing it's all logical, in literature is where most stumble, there's no barrier like a **** inconsistent language that binds everything, but it is important so again pacing.
I only really have a serious beef with humanities, the rest of the subjects with a good teacher can pass well enough, but humanities even with the best teachers there is no saving the syllabus(no renowned scholar would ever endorse the crap they teach in schools in terms of history).
____________
"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:40 PM |
|
|
But you're bringing a completely different topic on the table here, school programs and National Education isn't the point I was addressing at all.
____________
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:48 PM |
|
|
Teachers DO matter. Just a simple example, during the 1940's, a lot of jewish academicians fled Nazi occupied Europe, some were among the best experts of their subjects. They started teaching here in the universities of Istanbul and it's said that the generation who were students during that period is still one of the best qualified in their fields ever in recent history.
Why do you think some universities have more prestige than others? They all have the access to the same books or videos, don't they.
____________
Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
|
|
Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 02:54 PM |
|
|
Politics can play a role.
I'm of the firm belief that Italian schools are the best in the world, despite whatever the hell everybody else thinks.
And indeed, if our schools were so awful, how come that we Italians are so desired when it comes to actually doing the job?
____________
Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
|
|
artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 03:12 PM |
|
Edited by artu at 15:13, 12 Oct 2016.
|
Well, who says Italian school are specifically awful? I've never heard such a thing. If it's Italians themselves, that doesn't count, everybody trash-talks about their own system.
I have no idea how you concluded they are the best either though. I cant think of an Italian University as known as Harvard, Oxford, Sorbonne... There is Bologna but it's rather famous because it is the first university in history.
____________
Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
|
|
OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 04:12 PM |
|
|
Have you tried a more common web browser such as chrome or firefox? Does the problem persist?
I don't know if coursera costs money, if it's not clear, try to write an e-mail / support-ticket to them, I imagine they must have some kind of contact information.
About pros and cons of education, I think the way it's described in the OP, it could just as well be science, technology, innovation, information in stead of education.
Anyway I think it's very easy to figure out, simply by asking oneself if ones life could be better.
|
|
Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
|
|
posted October 12, 2016 04:21 PM |
|
Edited by Neraus at 16:22, 12 Oct 2016.
|
@artu
I think our schools are the best because I am proud of them and I think they simply don't get recognition, not necessarily in an absolute sense. (I get passionate on these things...)
But that's in the general sense that they are a valid system, and that they do great at forming your average Italian student, I don't think that we have universities as renowned as Harvard, Oxford etc.
Of course, it's not like they are universities for average students, now are they?
We do have quite a lot of excellencies of our own however, I thought that people abroad knew of universities such as the "Normale" of Pisa, the "Bocconi" in Milan, or the "Sapienza" in Roma.
____________
Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
|
| |
|
|
