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posted December 22, 2016 08:17 PM |
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Well Fred, personally I wouldn't mind you having your own private bathroom at every public building in the world if that means no one has to hear you when you're in the loo. 
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markkur
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posted December 22, 2016 09:30 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Well, in the last 5 years or so, the world was challenged and dephased on quite many solid and tested definitions or values: sexuality, gender, race, family, marriage, patriotism, borders, tolerance, man/woman interaction. That went too fast, people are so impatient, then every resistance and defiance were bullied, ignored, insulted and trampled. I am afraid this is not the way to propose a better world and I feel it will return straight in the face of those having initiated it. And will not look nice.
What is most troubling to me is not that others do, behave or think differently than I do, but that I cannot live anymore as I choose without the intrusions of this willful intolerance towards my own Freedom to believe and live as I choose without meddling with anyone else's values. People today claim that their rights must be respected and I agree with that but however, these same folks stomp over other peoples rights with a second worth of thought.
The world is in several ugly and uncaring wars at once.
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artu
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posted December 22, 2016 09:42 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:42, 22 Dec 2016.
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Can you give concrete, daily life examples? I really cant imagine the picture. As a conservative, Christian American, how are you not allowed to live according to your values? What is it that you want to do and that you can't?
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markkur
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posted December 23, 2016 05:25 PM |
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artu said:
Can you give concrete, daily life examples? I really cant imagine the picture. As a conservative, Christian American, how are you not allowed to live according to your values? What is it that you want to do and that you can't?
That's easy, I already said the movies that I would like to see do not exist, so no dinner and a flick.
Dinner-plays are seldom about something morale these days
It sickens me to see anything whatever today on News, Music you name it because it is "nearly" all dominated by egotistical "Models" both men and women with their implants. You know, the perfect look.
I mean no one any ill-will, its that I do not fit "in general" in a faithless, consumer, stuck-on-image...society.
And I'll give you one last example;
God Bless you Artu and make yourself and your family and friends a Merry Christmas. (meanwhile) Even if it is a corrupt and GREED high-jacked tradition with multiple origins.
Be Wise Safe and Happy.
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Gryphs
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posted December 23, 2016 06:12 PM |
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The things you mention are not rights.
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markkur
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posted December 23, 2016 06:29 PM |
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Gryphs said:
The things you mention are not rights.
I have never said anywhere, that how "I see" this world and how "I desire" Life for all of us - should be lawfully made "my way." Never once...because that is not how Freedom works; for me or anyone else, or dare I have the audacity to say?; "Any of God's children"
Artu asked, as a caring individual, (unless I misunderstood) how this 61 year-old man is affected by everything going on the public-arena(my values) in the USA today. As a matter of fact I did not even mention Laws because that topic is another derailed can-o-worms just like "Christ's one church"; and I've addressed that issue far more robustly than anything here at HC.
So you see my young friend (I hope) that I am not even at home within most of "supposedly" Christian-society. How in the world could I be snug as a bug in a rug in a world-arena that is more a hateful cesspool than anything else. Not a question, just a fact concerning me, myself and I. We are all a tad sad. 
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Gryphs
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posted December 23, 2016 06:40 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 18:43, 23 Dec 2016.
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Well, when you say, "but that I cannot live anymore as I choose without the intrusions of this willful intolerance towards my own Freedom to believe and live as I choose without meddling with anyone else's values. People today claim that their rights must be respected and I agree with that but however, these same folks stomp over other peoples rights with a second worth of thought", it implies you believe that your rights are being ignored or trampled over as that is exactly what you say.
Someone's tastes not being met is simply a part of societal change not intolerance. If I have a taste for 18th century clothing society is not oppressing me for not selling it.
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artu
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posted December 23, 2016 06:46 PM |
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Thank you Markkur, happy holidays to you also with your loved ones.
Actually, what I was asking is about the part in your reply to Sal where you say "I cannot live anymore as I choose without the intrusions of this willful intolerance towards my own Freedom to believe and live as I choose without meddling with anyone else's values. People today claim that their rights must be respected and I agree with that but however, these same folks stomp over other peoples rights with a second worth of thought." This certainly implies that people such as you are having their rights violated and as Gryphs pointed out, disliking mainstream media because it does not fit your tastes is not an example of such a thing.
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markkur
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posted December 23, 2016 07:59 PM |
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Let's get the spotlight off me dear fellows; you two, of several, that are always so warm, loving and supportive about my having Faith. <LOL>
I am sorry that it read to you both, that I was speaking about "my rights" - that was not my intent and my wishes were lost in my own verbage; what I said was ALL about "my desires" only. I am not legalistically minded one iota. (this world owes me nothing) And I do not want to go on or explain "my wishes."
The best example that I can give to you Artu, is...go out in your public-arena and Strongly advocate "your beliefs" regarding your Government and source of Morality and verbally confront both, Erdo & the dominant religion of our country. If you are truly "an activist towards your wishes for a better world" you will be silenced...by someone. You know this. Well, here it is the "same salad but with a different dressing." Hell, I'm not allied with any group, other than what I call the human-race or better yet...ALM. You know - ALL LIFE MATTERS.
Cheers Gentlemen.
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Gryphs
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posted December 23, 2016 08:31 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 20:32, 23 Dec 2016.
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You are not in Turkey. In the US if you go out and proclaim your views on morality or your vision of a better world you are going to be argued with not silenced. You saying something and someone else disagreeing and telling you why is not silencing you.
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kiryu133
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posted December 23, 2016 09:08 PM |
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Ah, the wonders of free speech!
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markkur
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posted December 23, 2016 09:13 PM |
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Gryphs said:
You are not in Turkey. In the US if you go out and proclaim your views on morality or your vision of a better world you are going to be argued with not silenced. You saying something and someone else disagreeing and telling you why is not silencing you.
I hope "you and yours" have an enjoyable and rewarding gathering in love.
Cheers, Gryphs
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Gryphs
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posted December 23, 2016 09:40 PM |
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And I wish the same to you, Merry Christmas.
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verriker
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posted December 23, 2016 09:54 PM |
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markkur said:
I hope "you and yours" have an enjoyable and rewarding gathering in love.
Cheers, Gryphs
you're a bit of an odd poster I've noticed in my experience markkur, if you wouldn't mind me saying, it's curious to me lol
you always come across an extremely pleasant and kind bloke in a one to one conversation 90% of the time, with the hints you're doing your all to be an earnest dude,
but it's like whenever someone is challenging a contradiction or oddity in the things you are saying or something that almost looks ironic because it appears to make downright no sense at all, instead of expressing more self awareness you seem to kind of just bounce from non sequitur to non sequitur hoping they leave it be and drop the subject lol
it reminds me of one of my uncles who I am going to see this Christmas, he will go on and on about political correctness and conspiracies and various boogeymen, the Great British Empire and other fake news and canned rubbish he picks up secondhand from rag mags and extremist Internet sewers, I just get dumbstruck with him asking have you thought about this at all, I mean why are you listening and buying into some of this **** lol
it's like he's convinced some things must be wrong or evil because they make too much sense to be true and are thus very suspicious or something, like a sextuple bluff, like for instance "let's not take it at face value that Farage is lying and the Brexit will suicide bomb us all into massive recession, there's obviously something more to it" lol
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AlHazin
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posted December 23, 2016 10:13 PM |
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Here we go.
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fred79
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posted December 24, 2016 03:47 AM |
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verriker said:
it reminds me of one of my uncles who I am going to see this Christmas, he will go on and on about political correctness and conspiracies and various boogeymen, the Great British Empire and other fake news and canned rubbish he picks up secondhand from rag mags and extremist Internet sewers, I just get dumbstruck with him asking have you thought about this at all, I mean why are you listening and buying into some of this **** lol
it's like he's convinced some things must be wrong or evil because they make too much sense to be true and are thus very suspicious or something, like a sextuple bluff, like for instance "let's not take it at face value that Farage is lying and the Brexit will suicide bomb us all into massive recession, there's obviously something more to it" lol
so, what you're saying is, you actually believe what the mass media(read: propoganda machine) and the governments(biggest parasites in the world) who have control over your life, tell you? because you take them at face value?
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Salamandre
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posted December 24, 2016 05:41 AM |
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Medias and governments drink at same fountain, you can't separate them. Take for example BBC, a very controversial source of biased and manipulated news, it is funded by a licensing fee applied to TV owners, and this tax value is fixed by the ... state. Which means BBC will be slow to criticize those in power, as they can use modifications on the tax value and apply pressure on.
In France we have exactly the same pattern - television owners indirect funding and finally modulated by the state, moreover they eliminated publicity and advertising, thus reducing politically independent funding. Which resulted in publicity-free national media, but now funded by the state for a big part. Same for all important news paper, and they end conveying same ideology. The backside is that when everyone says same thing, they can't get rid of the specific odor this practice creates. And people developed good olfactory sense.
Myself I sold my TV 10 years ago so I don't participate to this crap.
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verriker
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posted December 24, 2016 09:46 AM |
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fred79 said:
so, what you're saying is, you actually believe what the mass media(read: propoganda machine) and the governments(biggest parasites in the world) who have control over your life, tell you? because you take them at face value?
it's definitely very in character and not a plot hole at all for me to be an unquestioning, unskeptical corporate stooge who will buy into anything the mainstream junkets, state-funded bodies, Rupert Murdochs and the idiot box have to say,
that explains how I would have become deputy shop steward in two companies at a junior age while also endlessly chewing out Yves Guillemot over here for ***** and giggles lol
I think it makes sense to strike a healthy middleground between thinking critically about what you hear or wanting to avoid koolaid, and going way off the deep end to instead borrow your news, your phraseology and your beliefs from the mobs at breitbart, Stormfront, 4chan, Reddit The Donald, Facebook echo chambers or other bubbles run by angry white extremists lol
both the Mr Burns media barons and these festering ultraradical ****holes still represent the establishment, they both peddle fascist propaganda to dumb you down for their own regressive, self-serving and illogical agenda which will ultimately reduce your quality of life as well as others', it's just a slightly different flavour of fascist propaganda lol
now anyway mate I've really got to dash down the Butcher's to pick up my Christmas Turkey which we will eat while watching Die Hard 2, Cool Runnings and other jolly festive crap, hue hue hue merry cheersmas and all that lol
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artu
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posted December 24, 2016 10:09 AM |
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verriker said:
I think it makes sense to strike a healthy middleground between thinking critically about what you hear or wanting to avoid koolaid, and going way off the deep end to instead borrow your news, your phraseology and your beliefs from the mobs at breitbart, Stormfront, 4chan, Reddit The Donald, Facebook echo chambers or other bubbles run by angry white extremists lol
+ 1. BBC or whatever state funded broadcasting may not be perfect but comparing them to some of the conservative "sources" here, they still have higher credibility and culpability. Especially, compared to those Youtube videos where a pissed dude or two sit down in front of a web cam and explain to us how cultural Marxism(!) or some other misrepresented terminology they stumble upon, is destroying our lives.
To be fair though, I find most Reddit sub-forums quite informative and not extremist at all. You just have to know how to distinguish between the comments to filter and comments that have credible sources.
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Salamandre
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posted December 24, 2016 10:19 AM |
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artu said:
+ 1. BBC or whatever state funded broadcasting may not be perfect but comparing them to some of the conservative "sources" here
lol artu, may not be perfect? BBC was the British media the most pro-war in 2003 Iraq war -check research done by Cardiff University, and while we are at it, let's redefine also the concept of "lying"; when you support and trigger the killing of ~1 millions people combined with the destruction of a whole country and region, based on blatant lies about immaterial WMD weapons, the Facebook or whatever guy running his mouth about Marxist fantasies simply can't match. It amazes me how you guys are always about attitudes but voluntarily ignore real and really harmful facts, like they were fate created and without any way to avoid. Seriously.
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