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artu
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posted February 20, 2017 04:18 PM |
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Social media and some backwater press directly fabricates, mainstream media omits, but there's omitting and then there's omitting, I suggest you too check my link to JJ in the previous page, you're putting things lightly.
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Blizzardboy
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posted February 20, 2017 04:19 PM |
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Thanks for the link.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 20, 2017 04:20 PM |
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markkur said:
Is digital media good for democracy? BBC News
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Not much on the BBC anymore but I'll share this anyway.
<imo> The first man nails today's issues.
While I somewhat agree with the first man as well, I also agree with one of the (minority) comments.
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Let me rephrase the question: are irrational, misinformed voters good for democracy?
I'd add the word "paranoid" as well.
I have to repeat something from my earlier post. 40 years ago, depending on what political direction you were leaning to, you could read the according publications, whether it would be books or newspapers or magazines, that would INTERPRET THE SAME FACTS differently. Whether it would be about who was the culprit for the Cold War or in the Near East or in Africa, whether the "people's armies" in Africa were good or bad and so on and so forth.
Now, though, it's about FACTS. No matter what kind of a crazy opinion you have, you will find a page that will support that and deliver "facts" in support.
And not to mention the abuse that comes with the likes of twitter. The threats. I think, it's pretty hysterical.
You'd think it's the next stage of a war to influence people's opinion - make them paranoid about conspiracies, that's always been a good one, because a good conspiracy theory has a lot of charme, and make them paranoid about the general truth of news. And suddenly EVERYTHING is believable, no matter how crazy it actually is.
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yogi
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posted February 20, 2017 05:23 PM |
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted February 20, 2017 05:30 PM |
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Edited by markkur at 17:36, 20 Feb 2017.
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Pilger hit dead-center...he usually does. TY Artu, I used to follow him closer than I do now...I'm reaching my limit "once more" regarding what I want to know. Hell, I can't stop those I love from destroying each other.
It's as if a seething-rage is waiting to go volcanic, at the heart of many, many souls, around me no matter who or what people they are. Anger meets more anger. Outrage meets more outrage.
From my spiritually-focused world-view, the world is going actually quite mad behind endless war-debates, past and present and the "accepted" hellish promise & EXPECTATION of future WAR, Civil or Global WARS that will never end. Until of course we blow ourselves to smithereens behind the latest new weapons. Even if there are a few survivors, why in the hell would they mourn? They'd probably think..."Glad we can have peace now." and then ask; "Can anyone make a fire or build a shelter" to finally "Anyone know how to grow food? Or hunt & fish?" Many people around the world today have/are already asked/asking those same vital questions.
JollyJoker said:
You'd think it's the next stage of a war to influence people's opinion - make them paranoid about conspiracies, that's always been a good one, because a good conspiracy theory has a lot of charme, and make them paranoid about the general truth of news. And suddenly EVERYTHING is believable, no matter how crazy it actually is.
I don't know how things are were you live but from much of what I've read the last few years. we have lost the "need for Facts." Most stuff today is what I used to call (unwanted by me) Sensationalism but now it's morphed into something much more sinister, where it pulls-people-on, strictly by fabricated-emotion and constructive discussion easily and quickly disappears. It's a fact that the American public are pissed as hell at what our Government has been for doing for two decades now. Behind powerful Modern-Techs, I shutter to think what is brewing and if Reason no longer prevails in any direction of stance.
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Decades ago, in one of my Poems, I once wrote "Where "common-ground" becomes "no-mans-land". I'm no prophet but that was prophetic.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 20, 2017 05:39 PM |
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artu said:
I get what you're saying JJ and I dont necessarily disagree, "post-truth" was Oxford Dictionary's pick as the word of the year in 2016 but have you ever checked on John Pilger, what he brings to attention can't be exactly categorized as what you're talking about above, the scales are much higher. Take this article for instance, it's long but it's extremely right on spot and the guy really does his homework: Link
I feel reminded of the books David Horowitz wrote when he still was part of the new left.
The military-economic complex is a phenomenon long known - as I've always said, it's naive to think, all these people with a fortune in money and shares would just fold their arms and stand by to watch while good and honest people make politics.
Doesn't happen. Hasn't happened. Ever.
Also, main stream media do report the things Pilgrim mentioned. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the reasons for them have been clear for a long time, and in the case of the last Iraq war, the US didn't have a lot of international support, obviously. Afghanistan is an heritage of the cold war. The ironic thing is, that the idea how to destabilize the USSR, hoping to get the muslims in the southern USSR republics into action as well, obviously backfired to haunt the West as well.
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frostysh
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posted February 21, 2017 05:39 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 17:41, 21 Feb 2017.
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Stevie -
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Is JJ making sense to anyone? I'm really curious.
Easy tiger...
<imo> - the super-materialistic speech of mr JollyJoker (we need to say "hello" for the uncle Karl  ) is much more close to the reality than some pseudogenetic stuff 
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JollyJoker said:
Look, this is about whether free speech is the most important thing in civilization, and I do NOT think so.
And you are mistaken.
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Interesting choice of words, Erdogan said exactly the same while defending the ban of some books, that "some books are worse than bombs."
I think mr Erdogan is smoking for too much  . Perhaps he should search for advice by other guys, that have a similar job . Of course without any of disrespect to the RoT, or to mr Erdogan personally.
artu said:
I get what you're saying JJ and I dont necessarily disagree, "post-truth" was Oxford Dictionary's pick as the word of the year in 2016 but have you ever checked on John Pilger, what he brings to attention can't be exactly categorized as what you're talking about above, the scales are much higher. Take this article for instance, it's long but it's extremely right on spot and the guy really does his homework: Link
<imo> Joh Pliger's article - http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-the-issue, is a bloody hell flood of text, that have a small amount of sense, and even smaller amount of clues. As usually guy, that "monitoring" the official speeches, and have a hell no idea about how the real situation is going on, in the particular places trying to describe the world with his own "no doubts constants" . I saw a lot of such trash in the internet - nothing interesting to me.
But his article can used to light up some events, I mean not the events by themselves (especially by "impression" of mr Pliger), but j just show that this events was important in the modern history. And *facepalm* - the "Reuters", nothing more to say..., they like a snow, laid everywhere . I am joking, I have no disrespect to the such noble agency, or to their servants Besides, it was a compliment to their effective "work" , mr Pliger included...
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Also, main stream media do report the things Pilgrim mentioned. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the reasons for them have been clear for a long time, and in the case of the last Iraq war, the US didn't have a lot of international support, obviously. Afghanistan is an heritage of the cold war. The ironic thing is, that the idea how to destabilize the USSR, hoping to get the muslims in the southern USSR republics into action as well, obviously backfired to haunt the West as well.
I have doubts, that you will find a real reason, that caused guys to create such wars as in SU-Afghanistan invasion, mr JollyJoker, even if you spent the rest of your life to investigate that. "The truth can be burrowed so deep (along with a peoples that contained it ), that can appear even on the oposing side of the planet Earth" - frostysh 2014AD. I am sorry for my dark humor
Ahh nevermind, don't listen to frostysh nonsense (if you ever tried), the things is going on right like you, and mr Pliger stating .
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 06, 2017 11:28 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:28, 06 Mar 2017.
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frostysh
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WHY?
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posted March 06, 2017 01:04 PM |
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artu said:
Dalia Lama and John Oliver about Tibet, China and other things.
Of what about it is? I cannot watch online video  ?
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yogi
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posted March 06, 2017 01:34 PM |
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 06, 2017 01:57 PM |
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Edited by artu at 14:13, 06 Mar 2017.
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Well, if you're talking about "your spirit" literally transferring to another body, I don't think it's neurologically possible, of course. Not to mention that the normative notion of the religion, that you come back as a lesser creature if you had not lived a worthy life is extremely anthropomorphic and anthropocentrist.
If you think of the whole thing as an allegorical moral story though, it's much more sympathetic and less harmful than an indoctrination of an after-life with eternally tortured non-believers.
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frostysh
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posted March 07, 2017 03:49 AM |
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North Korea fires four ballistic missiles into Sea of Japan, CNN - 06032017AD
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(CNN)North Korea fired four ballistic missiles early Monday morning in what Japan's leader described as "an extremely dangerous action."
A fifth missile failed to launch, a US official told CNN.
The hell Uncle Sam - why, when you need to use "measures" against CPR/SU military-guy you always passing - "No-way, Too dangerous precedent!", and when you need to wipe out few cities with civilians - "Okkay! No problem!"
So what next? What if DPRK & Co will make a mistake, or something like that? What then? What next? Another exterminatus? The old-bad rules? The peoples has not deserved for such fate, they are hostages of mistakes of the past, of the mislead choices of somebody. That because I don't like you Uncle Sam, me  , me very-very-very So many mistakes in the past... Of course I don't know anything, of course I am wrong, and perhaps I have eat too much of this fabric nut's-candies and I am feeling so bad for now... In addition I have a bad dream. Nevermind.
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