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evildogbot
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 02, 2017 07:22 PM |
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What make Heroes game "Heroes"
2 last series of Heroes installment has been highly regarded as failure by community. Several of the reasons being buggy gameplay, cut down budget, too conservative, and too much change at the same time. Because of that I'm curious to what makes heroes game "heroes", what is the core value or core mechanic that is the identity of the heroes game? What makes you think Heroes game is different than other fantasy turn based game let's say Age of Wonder series for example. If let's say Heroes 8 comes out and it has dynamic fog of war, unit cap per heroes, and unit upkeep, would you still call it a heroes game?
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 03, 2017 12:12 AM |
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I have played Heroes 2-5, but don't care about 6 & 7 and I have played most of the Age of Wonders games and they are good games, I still prefer Heroes though, especially Heroes 3.
What makes Heroes Heroes for me, is that it is a charming turn based old school gaming series with good music and graphics. It's easy to play, but hard to master. It can be played by people of age 9 or 99. There are many factions and creatures, which are all (relatively) good balanced. There are combat spells and adventure spells and artifacts and creature abilities. All the different creatures, spells, skills, heroes etc. allows players to form different strategies and to counter their opponents strategies, this makes for interesting gameplay every game. Creatures must travel around the map lead by a hero. Creatures can be affected by good or bad morale and luck. The hero plays a more or less active role in combat.
Map can be traveled by land, water or air and there is possibly at least one underground level. Game comes with scenarios and campaigns and scenario and campaign editor and the ability to play singleplayer and multiplayer offline and online.
That's Heroes for me. Heroes 3 did almost everything right, except a few balance issues.
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Baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2017 08:56 AM |
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Edited by Baronus at 09:00, 03 Oct 2017.
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Baronus
Heroes needs,
1. Simple game system but big with a lot of elements. Exploration, skilling, combat, buildings, econony. System is first.
2. Good AI which is offensive but not in stupid way. Must attack us to make game interesting.
3. A lot of towns. 9 is minimum. HIII. And all town must be another.
4. A lot of units 150 minimum. HIII And all unit must own abilities.
5. Big and good skill system. Minimum 180 levels. HIV
6. Big and good spell system. In HIII 276 levels! And better is not to learn all spells for all heroes,
7. Good Heroes design with special abilities.
8. Beauty graphic.
9. Wonderfull music.
10. Open source code to mod it.
11. Programming by open script system eg. lua not hardcodded in exe. Somthing like WoG or VCMI.
12. Mobile version too.
13. Big and good artifacts system especially with combos,
14. Big and good alchemy system rather like MM VII-VIII but better
15. Good editor with RMG.
16. Importing own pics and sounds to map not only txt.
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We dont need:
1. 3D models. And 3D world.
2. Battle cutscenes.
3. Big unit animations 1000 or more frames.
4. Dynamic lights.
5. Isometric look for units.
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All other can be to discuss.
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evildogbot
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 03, 2017 09:14 AM |
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That's a good explanation but that is what should be an ideal heroes game is, not what heroes game is. Can a heroes game be summarized with
1. have town and build town
2. have heroes that explore the map
3. have separate mode for battling creature on the big map.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2017 09:19 AM |
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Well, that characterize a dozens of strategy games out there, so no. Not only. The lore should be same, then specific technical details, although I think no one would be shocked by some changes to the core if the game finally rocks.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 03, 2017 12:20 PM |
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JVC.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted October 03, 2017 04:25 PM |
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a number of things but I'd say the most important things are a 1. RPG leveling system for heroes who can 2. bring armies around in order to 3. explore a map and gather resources in a campaign map in a turn based fashion and occasionally 4. battle in a separate battle map and 5. capture and develop towns to improve economy and gain access to stronger and better creatures.
I'd say that's it really but I do think some differentiating between might and magic is important and factions should be primarily made up of DnD or mythological creatures centered around a philosophical theme.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted October 06, 2017 08:11 AM |
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What makes the Heroes series stand out in the gaming world?
It is like taking the very old game of Warlords 1 and its sequel(Warlords II) to a much more advanced level of strategic and economic approach to war-gaming.
JVC simply implemented the much anticipated approach to the army generals development in an innovative way. So this time around the general(Heroes) are, now, capable of using magic by simply learning them via mage guilds that are, also, buildable and growable up to the very high potency of level 5. Although some of the factions such as the Orcs, will limit itselves to the level 3 of blood calling type of offensive and brutal approach to buff the willingness of the troops to inflict more damage against any enemy they get to encounter.
So, when the battle arena is required to do combat against the encountered enemy, Chess is the approach that is considered here, with, obvious innovative battle properties such as ranged and melee capabilities.
Heroes is also made for easy interaction between children young and teenagers alike. It is not a thorough RPG that becomes strategic after exploring and gathering enough troops in order to rather invade a native village of the specifically chosen map nor, to use a number of level ones that makes the back bone of a civilization and build a village from scratch one in a properly chosen area of the currently in use map. And, from there, explore even more in order to find your opponents settlements for invading them or totally genocide them from the map forever. Moreover, making sure to develop your town to a properly defensible status would be quite preferable.
Do you see the imminent lack of seriousness that is brought upon us with this underdeveloped approach of a turn based game? I do find that the true potential of this type of TBS game has ended with JVC's game of Heroes III(any version or iteration through modding that exists today).
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ninjata12
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 02, 2018 05:35 PM |
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For me Heroes is a special game, because of the way it makes me feel. I really feel like I am living in a fairy tail, in some mysterious world. It has this Tolkien, Lord of the rings feeling. Which was a bit lost in the last 2 games.
Apart from that, it's really about strategy and tactics - the more options I have, the better. Using spells, selecting creatures, making my plan on the adventure map, etc. That being said, I really like some new features like bridge building and destroying, forts, territory control etc. It brings a great strategic options.
Heroes 7 had a great potential, but it was just rushed out.
If we live to see another game of the series, I hope they make it feel more like Lord of the rings and less Ashan...
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zydar
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 28, 2018 02:15 PM |
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simple to play,addicting, just battle between fantasy creature in turn based strategy, build town, collect resource, upgrade skill/spell, conquer all map, no complex lore, no complex religion/god, no racial faction,no warcraft, no warhammer, just jvc style
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2018 02:42 PM |
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1) mythological creatures
When someone tells me "let's play heroes" my brain instantly thinks of the multitude of heroes and mythological creatures (minotaurs, pegasi, hydras, dragons, titans, unicorns, griffins. elves etc.)
Take these creatures away from the franchise - or worse, replace them with futuristic creatures / animals - and I can't call that game heroes anymore, no matter how good it is overall
2) antiquity
Again, for me heroes is about ancient times. If heroes 8 will replace everything that's ancient (creatures, the idea of using scrolls, spells and artifacts) I will unconsciously stop calling the game heroes, even if it really is that
3) hero specialties
I don't know about Heroes 1 and 2 (I have only played Heroes 3 and newer versions), but in Heroes 3 all heroes have had specialties. To me, that's another distinctive element. Create a new heroes game in which the heroes have no specialty and it will have lost its feel. Not by much if all other elements are there, but it will not feel the same. It will really have to overdeliver on all other mechanics (spell quantity and usefulness, skill quantity and usefulness, strategic depth, etc.) in order for me not to miss the heroes' specialties, and even then it will be hard not to miss them 
4) creature upgrades
Maybe this is not too big of a particularity (I mean, heroes 4 has lacked creature upgrades and it has still turned out OK), but it does take away from the feel of the game.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted September 29, 2018 09:26 AM |
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The strategic elements obviously made it great, but for me what makes a Heroes game "Heroes" has to be the setting of the game and how it pulls you in.
The adventure map being so rich with elements and the great music and the art style in the first four games especially make it irresistible. That is a particular vibe that I haven't found in any other strategy games.
Imo, while the later Heroes games had somewhat similar features regarding the gameplay itself, they didn't have the atmosphere, which is why I like them less.
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Horses don't die on a dog's wish.
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 29, 2018 10:32 AM |
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Quote:
The adventure map being so rich with elements and the great music and the art style
Yeah, this too. I forgot to mention it
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