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Thread: Do you "live to work" in US? | This thread is pages long: 1 2 · «PREV |
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Warmonger
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posted March 01, 2018 07:14 PM |
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I'm a lazy guy and work only to live, ie. to realize my goals. Working more than needed (and spending more money than needed) is a waste of life.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 01, 2018 07:25 PM |
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But what are your goals? I mean, that's a wise thing to say, so I'm guessing it's not to buy the most expensive TV. Are your goals related to your work or is work just making ends meet?
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Salamandre
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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 01, 2018 07:31 PM |
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Then go up and finish VCMI, 10 years we are waiting that goal of yours.
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2018 07:50 PM |
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Salamandre said: Then go up and finish VCMI, 10 years we are waiting that goal of yours.
oh, snap!
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted March 01, 2018 08:30 PM |
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artu said: I think, you are shifting between two things here, Markkur. To respect what you do is one thing (my father used to say, "you can choose to be a garbage man, fine by me, but if you do, try to be the best garbage man there is and make sure the streets are really clean), to define your career as the central purpose of your life is another thing.
The second one may be quite meaningless, if we take into account the concept of alienation (in the Marxist sense, which is, relating to your labor). Now, what is that exactly, imagine you are a shoemaker in the traditional sense, it is not like you are Leonardo Da Vinci, but you can still feel satisfied and fulfilled by being a really good shoemaker, you provide an effort and you see the result: You make really good shoes. Your customers come and go, they praise you for your handy work, you train your pupil, teach him the secrets of how to make the shoes just tight enough but not uncomfortable.
Meaningless?...you are a Marxist.
And why point out your father and I held the same personal discipline?
Hopefully not to say that we both held a slave's mentality?
I was not born the "Fortunate Son" that CCR sang about but I did not want any State to intervene on my behalf.
Let's think evolutionary thoughts on your Shoes.
1. People first created "foot protection" by using the skin of slow-animals.
2. Later a person decided to make a "special shoe."
3. Then a few people demanded more of the special new shoes.
4. The shoemaker had to train others to meet Demand.
5. Other shoemakers decided they wanted to make even more-special shoes for the masses.
6. An inventor creates a machine to do one job that replaced a person.
7. Other inventors look at every job and replace people as often as they can.
8. "Demand", now says that the shoes must be dirt-cheap (which translates) "Cheap is the new Quality for the masses."
9. Now all these machines make people stand in place or sit in a chair in making much of anything...included shoes, cheap or expensive.
10. People that do not want quality - when it is defined as Cheap, do not want "Artists" making their shoes or even to consider learning how to make their own shoes or anything else...like gardens?
Most of us have little money and here in the U.S. must shop at the government sanctioned monopoly called W-Mart, which in their turn - "shop's" the world over, for the cheapest labor.
I believe, "Live to work or work to live" ends the same place for most humans today on planet-earth, where we are trying to survive the Greed + Machines of a growing number of entities across the globe.
If I were young, because of my past life in always working for "others" and because of what Artu wrote about making shoes, I would consider very strongly as a course of my education and learning, the exploration of all trades, needs, crafts etc. and see if I had the skill, temperate and drive to pursue, not a hobby, but a Creative effort that I could enjoy a lot and in the end also make some cash. iow, if I sweat, it's for my own success and not some distant faceless group that does not know me from Adam...or Eve.
With the Internet, <imo> the best tech to the masses, there are all sorts of how-to videos available on many, many topics. However, I need to add; be careful with what you search. i.e. If you have a good idea...best not share that on-line and never forgot there are volumes of books in physical-libraries, that you can open with your built-in browser.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 01, 2018 08:45 PM |
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Edited by artu at 20:49, 01 Mar 2018.
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The second one (defining your career as the central purpose of your life) can be quite meaningless, if your work is one in which you feel alienated. (I used the term in the Marxist sense and elaborated in case you were not familiar with the specific terminology, I'm nice like that. ) The father quote was about "respecting what you do" which I think would be the opposite of a slave mentality, because a slave is ordered to do things whether he likes it or not, so he would have no reason to respect his craft genuinely, he would only do things not to get punished.
I wouldn't call myself a Marxist but the man had some valid points, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, drop more often, it's really good to have you back.
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted March 01, 2018 09:03 PM |
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artu said: The second one (defining your career as the central purpose of your life) can be quite meaningless, if your work is one in which you feel alienated (I used the term in the Marxist sense and elaborated in case you were not familiar with the specific terminology, I'm nice like that. )
Yeah...right.
artu said: The father quote was about "respecting what you do" which I think would be the opposite of a slave mentality, because a slave is ordered to do things whether he likes it or not, so he would have no reason to respect his craft genuinely, he would only do things not to get punished.
I agree and you were correct in pairing your dad and I but I have also heard that "to make the best of a bad situation is"...nevermind, apparently from other various Marxist' lit and representatives.
artu said: I wouldn't call myself a Marxist but the man had some valid points, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, drop more often, it's really good to have you back.
Thanks Artu but even though I think an old brain like mine can be a plus (here and there) I cannot stay. In fact, I need to finish my last "fun" effort at Paradox (I'm crawling in that effort) and give this stuff up.
Not wanting violins here but I am very limited how long and how often I can do this simple-bit and that means I need to retire and focus on a few projects of my own that I have neglected for far too long.
I end my comments in this thread by sharing something personal with you Artu. A very few of my friends and I were collectively called by our upper-management as..."The Young Lions and/or "The Young Turks" but we were never called "Comrades in arms." Be Good mate.
To all...Make it Great...whatever that may mean to you.
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The_Green_Drag
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posted March 02, 2018 11:53 PM |
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I'm definitely a "work to live" kind of person. I make it a point to not think about work or deal with any work related problems when I'm not on the clock. Not to be confused with a lazy attitude or anything, when I'm at work I'm all about it but as soon as my shift ends I'm checked out. I make plenty of $$ right now. The real currency I would like more of is time
I have a few friends that are the "live to work" type. It's nothing to feel sorry about or anything like that. They love what they do and are always trying to be more involved. I don't see these friends as much for these reasons but it's just a choice at the end of the day. Coincidently all of these friends are newly weds so that might have something to do with it
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OhforfSake
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Initiate
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posted March 02, 2018 11:59 PM |
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The_Green_Drag said: I make it a point to not think about work or deal with any work related problems when I'm not on the clock.
I think that is a healthy attitude.
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angine
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Tavern Dweller
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posted September 21, 2019 06:21 PM |
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Edited by angine at 17:11, 27 Sep 2019.
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted September 22, 2019 10:43 AM |
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All play and no work makes Jack a mere toy.
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blob2
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 22, 2019 11:30 AM |
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Celfious
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From earth
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posted September 23, 2019 06:42 AM |
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I was hoping this was a move to Canada commercial
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Warmonger
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fallen artist
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posted September 23, 2019 01:21 PM |
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As a software developer, now I work at regular hours and get paid nicely even when I'm bored and have nothing to do (which is suprisingly often ). Still, programming stuff can be enjoyable and rewarding experience if company management is sensible.
I recently moved so now I commute 7 minutes on foot - this way I've got more time for life. Especially for my passion, which is music making.
That being said, I know many people in Warsaw who commute for over an hour and their job is not very satisfying, or at least they have no perspectives to improve their life.
Also, there's some tendency here to pretend everyone is working hard non-stop, no matter if your job makes any sense or not. There are many stories in a form of:
- If we organize / set up this, we will have less work to do .
- Right, but what will you do in this time?
Like being busy and exhausted is a purpose of everyone's existence That's also one of reasons why Poles work more but earn less than other nations.
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Blizzardboy
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posted September 25, 2019 01:01 AM |
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I think Americans have a healthier conception of working than Europeans do in the sense that Europe probably has a higher ratio of people with a feeling of purposeless than any other continent. There’s a difference between work and working. Like honestly, it’s not just theorycrafting. Idle people are statistically more depressed.
The only reason (Western) Europeans think Americans work too much is because they have like zero perspective. If you want to go somewhere where people work too much, go to Japan or China or pretty much anywhere else on the planet. There's plenty of places a lot more extreme than the USA.
The students I teach in China get home between 5-6 in the evening and have another 2-3 hours of homework before they can go to bed. And they do tutoring. They basically work nonstop to live in an economy that has a fraction of the wages. I’m a grown man and I’ve taught little kids with better work ethic than me, which is a pretty weird feeling.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted September 25, 2019 02:56 AM |
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Hss it rubbed off on you?
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Blizzardboy
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Nerf Herder
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posted September 25, 2019 08:11 PM |
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These are fair points and will take them into consideration. The 26 hour commute in a 24 hour day is pretty demanding. We don't let them use it as an excuse even though they've tried many times.
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