markkur said:

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Before I can get to "my take" on qanon...I need to paint a backdrop.

Through the glass darkly; my American perspective from the outside, looking in.[Necessarily...a very, very brief overview]

1. In the early 20th century the US Federal Reserve Bank was created. This was and is a private bank and the only thing Federal about it, is that it has been used to fleece the average US taxpayer. "He who controls the money-supply...controls the nation."
[Read Creature from Jekyll Island}

2. Enormous profits are made from loans supporting both sides of WW!.

3. The World-wide great-depression in 1929. Caused by the Bankers?

4. FDR takes the USA off the Gold-Standard...creating Fiat money and giving the World-Bankers even more control and power.

5. Tremendous sums of money are made off both sides of WWII. Huge debts are incurred for the common-folk of nearly all nations. [Playing both sides against the middle, guarantees that Banks will win the money-war.]

6. WWII ends with a new Cold-War in place. All the machinery of war and all the money that was spent on technology, weapons, espionage and propaganda during the war does not disappear behind Peace but grows as the THREAT of nuclear-war dominates the world's people.

7. The UN is born and its laws overrule the laws of sovereign nations.

8. Many "oversight committees" and "world money organizations" are born.

8. The paper-money of the US becomes the world-currency. Oil soon emerges into the forefront of banking concerns and control.

9. Intelligence agencies multiply and garner more and more money and legitimize their hidden-power and control.

10. Non-elected power-centers that control various countries and economies and governments emerge and nearly all citizens everywhere are ignorant of these changes.

11. JFK goes against the cartel in the US and is assassinated.

12. State-medias continue to emerge and feed the narratives inside all nations. Independent Media will slowly disappear behind the Corporate consolidations and "chosen images will be reading scripts."

13. Trade-deals between nations begin appearing and the average citizen has no idea whatsoever what these agreements have in them and for what purpose.

14. The Soviet Union falls and the world-bankers fleece the country, for their own profits.

15. With the Cold War ended, a new enemy is needed for the Industrial Military Complex and the War of Terror is born. Once again...it is both sides against the middle behind an open-ended phrase.

16. Proxy wars are fueled and the people misled...everywhere.

17. Western populations already taxed to the max, lose their jobs and savings behind manipulated markets and next comes the wave of forced-migrants (victims) to divide nations.

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AlHazin said:

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It's not UN laws that overrule nations' rules, but USA's.

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AlHazin said:

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It's not UN laws that overrule nations' rules, but USA's. A lot of nations disregard UN and are doing just fine.

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fred79 said:

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who do you think runs the UN? or the USA, for that matter? the answer is simple.

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markkur said:

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Two-sides of the same coin

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artu said:

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markkur said:

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Two-sides of the same coin

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Kind of... but you still got the heads and the tails, grandpa.

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Kipshasz said:

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@MArkkur

late reply but w/e

Regarding Slavmalia, I try to disconnect from all of it, because it's been what, 4 years almost, if not more, of crap 24/7. With embezzlement of military goods (surplus AKs and other Warsaw Pact weapons, as well as helmets, vests, other pieces of kit were sent off to Slavmalia), and slavmalian "troops" mooching off our already crappy healthcare system(going as far as nurses trying to shove slavmalian scumbags in front of people who were waiting for procedure x for a couple of months at least), and their "gestarbeiters", who's hands grow out of their rear end, completely dominate the construction sector, leaving local specialists one option - emigrating to western crapholes like Britain.
Recently, some slavmalians decided to kill eachother in my home town. stabbed each other and set their rented apartment on fire. out of I believe 4 slavmalian dirtbags, 1 survived this "blood orgy" as the papers named it.

I wish Trump would drop some of his MOABs on Kiev at this point.

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Kipshasz said:

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in essence a group of influential people of power, using their influence to manipulate events and policies of the country.

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Kipshasz said:

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one of them died recently. and good riddance to him.

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Kipshasz said:

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Oh god, our MSM is actually far, far worse. esspecially the whole Russia bullcrap. Alternative sources are the same. Some even make Alex Jones and PJW(I always seen them as entertainment and not news, thats for you my dear 40 year old virgin kebab) look like the most credible sources out there.
One alt media site recently had an article entitled "Grandparents are killing their grandkids", which is a hotchpotch of topics from overloving grandparents who give their little treasures tons of sugar, to harmfulness of porn. The afromention site is also a location to pan-slavic theory an putin circle jerk. same with other alternative sites.
Only somewhat credible source is a blog ran by a dude with a doctorate in biochemistry or something like that. He at least tries to be objective.

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Kipshasz said:

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You also need to take into account that we've never had a de-sovietisation taking place. not back then, not now, and possibly not ever. unless a drastic regime changes (elephant's dreams here really)

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Kipshasz said:

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Yeah, some deep state officials of yours were involved, songbird McCain being the main one.

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Kipshasz said:

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I foresee that in the coming years I could use some of those Best Amendment rights you have across the pond.

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Salamandre said:

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The people operating within the deep state or whatever is called are not going to yell on the roofs what they do and why, so asking for names is pointless. Personally I don't think there is some articulated conspiracy out there, but more of an ideology shared among power holding people, like the guys owning the press, the social platforms and the research engines. All is about information today, if you control how the information spreads, what is told and what should not be told, then you get a serious advantage. Seeing how dishonest the left-leaned press became, it is safe to name news anchors and journalists etc as the deep state. This is not to say right-leaning press isn't using the same procedures, they do, but when you have 90% of the press left-leaning in USA, then 100% in Europe, this becomes a serious imbalance about how every largely shared opinion is effectively heard and discussed.  

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Salamandre said:

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The people operating within the deep state or whatever is called are not going to yell on the roofs what they do and why, so asking for names is pointless. Personally I don't think there is some articulated conspiracy out there, but more of an ideology shared among power holding people, like the guys owning the press, the social platforms and the research engines. All is about information today, if you control how the information spreads, what is told and what should not be told, then you get a serious advantage. Seeing how dishonest the left-leaned press became, it is safe to name news anchors and journalists etc as the deep state. This is not to say right-leaning press isn't using the same procedures, they do, but when you have 90% of the press left-leaning in USA, then 100% in Europe, this becomes a serious imbalance about how every largely shared opinion is effectively heard and discussed.  

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Salamandre said:

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I didn't say he was, I have no clue about McCain, that should belong to Kip to explain. What I say is that when you eliminate the diversity of opinions by hiring people who all think same - like all bosses of news do, you create the deep state conspiracy rumors. I don't even think they have some goal, they surely think this is for the best. The downside is that they are not even willing to debate, they think they hold some inviolable truth and by doing that unilaterally, they disconnect themselves from millions of people who see their opinions being sneared or ignored. Then elections come and they get rightfully spanked.

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