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NimoStar
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posted November 26, 2019 12:16 AM |
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Faerie Dragons and their Magic Mirror
So, here, nearly 15 years ago (god we are old), a guy was doing tests about the Faerie Dragon:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=16743
In them, he mentions than in over 100 combat "never once" did the Faerie Dragons reflect a spell.
According to this:
https://mightandmagic.fandom.com/wiki/Faerie_dragon_(H3)
Faerie Dragons are always protected by Magiic Mirror (we will assume a 20% deflection chance), but It is known Magic Mirror will never work vs the AI since it ignores outright any chance of reflection (making this the already absolute worst of spells even more insulting: It is actually literally useless in single player)
I seem to remember Magic Mirror does work in enemy computer-controlled Faerie Dragons, but does it work at all in the user's ones?
Bonus questions:
Does the reflection chance of Magic Mirror stack with the one natural on the Faerie Dragon, IE, if you cast Expert Magic Mirror with 40% chance, does it have 60% total due to 20% natural one? Or do they trigger separately? Or even does the new one overwrite the old one?
Does Magic Mirror work vs other humans, even?
So many questions and so little answers  
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NimoStar
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posted November 26, 2019 12:30 AM |
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The tester seems to be deluded by some things, though, for example, he says faerie dragons have "unlimited spell points" while it is more accurate to say they can only cast 5 spells per combat.
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Faerie_Dragon
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zmudziak22
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posted November 26, 2019 03:45 PM |
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Magic Mirror works, but only for single target spells like blind, lighting bolt, implosion or hypnotize etc. It seems Magic Mirror doesnt counter area of effect spells(berserk, meteor shower etc.)
I didnt test enough about Dragon vs Dragon when comes to spell counter.
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NimoStar
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posted November 26, 2019 11:33 PM |
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You mean, it also works vs AI in those single - target cases or even then only vs humans?
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zmudziak22
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posted November 27, 2019 01:08 PM |
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I only tested when i attacked them and single target spells can be resisted by dragons(AI), but mass slow, mass curse or other area spells, are simply ignored by their mirror.
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NimoStar
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posted November 27, 2019 03:59 PM |
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So, I have tested 7 stacks of 1 Faerie Dragon vs other 7 stacks of 1 faerie dragon and trough hundred of spells they never reflected even once. Zero. Nada. They didn't even reflect hero spells. And not even a stack where the AI "blesses" an additional Magic Mirror spell upon them.
I will have to try without auto-combat, since this was using auto-combat.
BUT my guess is that Magic Mirror only triggers in an instance of USER spellcasting actions, while with auto-combat you yourself count as an AI, THUS you become immune to enemy magic mirror just by turning on auto combat. Stupid, but this is how it seems to work.
IT also appears that Magic Mirror only protects against hero-cast spells and not against other creature spells, since even using the dragons manually, it never triggered against their own attacks.
Well, the natural mirror never triggered against my own spells either (only the blessing one did), but according to your tests it works; since it only has 20%, it is logical that it not trigger very often. However, with hundreds of Faerie Dragon attacks it should have triggered aginst their own at least once if it worked, yet it never did.
I also tested drarf resistance against Faerie Dragons. It seems the resistance only triggers at area spells, which were frequently resisted, but NEVER with single-target damage spells.
Against a hero with the Resistance skill, mass Enchanter curses were resisted randomly by creatures on his army.
Magic Dampener (like the one in Crystal dragons that makes them immune to area spells) seemed to work vs. crystal dragon area spells.
The last thing to know is that damage reduction, like of Stone/Iron/Gold/Diamond golems works as normal vs all Faerie Dragon spells, unlike magic mirror and resistance.
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Orc
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posted November 27, 2019 09:30 PM |
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Edited by Orc at 21:34, 27 Nov 2019.
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NimoStar said:
So, I have tested 7 stacks of 1 Faerie Dragon vs other 7 stacks of 1 faerie dragon and trough hundred of spells they never reflected even once. Zero. Nada. They didn't even reflect hero spells. And not even a stack where the AI "blesses" an additional Magic Mirror spell upon them.
I will have to try without auto-combat, since this was using auto-combat.
BUT my guess is that Magic Mirror only triggers in an instance of USER spellcasting actions, while with auto-combat you yourself count as an AI, THUS you become immune to enemy magic mirror just by turning on auto combat. Stupid, but this is how it seems to work.
IT also appears that Magic Mirror only protects against hero-cast spells and not against other creature spells, since even using the dragons manually, it never triggered against their own attacks.
Well, the natural mirror never triggered against my own spells either (only the blessing one did), but according to your tests it works; since it only has 20%, it is logical that it not trigger very often. However, with hundreds of Faerie Dragon attacks it should have triggered aginst their own at least once if it worked, yet it never did.
I also tested drarf resistance against Faerie Dragons. It seems the resistance only triggers at area spells, which were frequently resisted, but NEVER with single-target damage spells.
Against a hero with the Resistance skill, mass Enchanter curses were resisted randomly by creatures on his army.
Magic Dampener (like the one in Crystal dragons that makes them immune to area spells) seemed to work vs. crystal dragon area spells.
The last thing to know is that damage reduction, like of Stone/Iron/Gold/Diamond golems works as normal vs all Faerie Dragon spells, unlike magic mirror and resistance.
that does not count. Faerie dragons are sort of an attack, similar to MGoG fire ball.
Resistance secondary skill also does not work against them iirc; I tested with thorgrim
Edit: basically all what you said is accurate.
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NimoStar
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posted November 28, 2019 12:27 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 00:28, 28 Nov 2019.
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As you implied in your PD, you are wrong. Resistance from dwarves does work against their area spells. So does damage reduction from Golems. Faery Dragons also can't cast spells in anti-magic garrisons, they just use their melee attacks. This is unlike gogs that can still shoot.
So, their attack is really a spell, it is automatically "prepared" like a spell to cast, and it deals spell damage, though there are some exceptions (like magic mirror and single-gtarget resistance) that don't work as they should.
Also, unlike with Genies, the type of magic ground does not increase the "expertise" at which Faery Dragon spells are cast.
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Orc
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posted November 29, 2019 05:07 PM |
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On the other hand, Serpant Flies dispel and weakness seem to be resisted by resistance SS if im not mistake.
to me sometimes it doesnt occur vs resistance, but vs other heroes it happens like 100% if im not mistaken.
that leads me to think that Thunderbirds, as well as unicorns will have same mechanics, i.e. bolt and blind could be resisted by dwarves or hero with resistance.
that leaves stone gaze, wyvern poison, and age from ghost dragon.
though its not ez to test those
Edit: ok I have an idea for test,
there script that makes flyers have no retaliation, so this can be tested with wyverns, birds, and ghost dragons. but unicorns and gaze might be a little harder to test.
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