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phoenix4ever
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posted May 19, 2020 12:50 AM |
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Remember to vote, if you have an opinion guys. 
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Zaio-Baio
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posted May 19, 2020 03:18 AM |
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phoenix4ever said:
It is claimed Storm and Ice Elementals have "no melee penalty", while in fact this ability does'nt work for either of them.
This means that Storm and Ice Elementals kinda lose an ability, as they do full melee damage as Air and Water Elementals, but not as Storm and Ice Elementals.
Do you think they should actually have no melee penalty?
Guys, before conflux town was introduced to the game the archangels were the best lvl 7 units in the game. Conflux's lvl 7 units (the phoenixes) turned out to be stronger, faster and cheaper than the archangels, also their dwelling was cheaper to build. Phoenixes were stronger because of the 2x growth (20 phoenixes crush 10 archangels in 1v1 battle), also 20 phoenixes were cheaper than 10 archangels - 1 phoenix was priced 2k gold + 1 mercury, while 1 archangel - 5k gold + 3 gems. On top of that conflux also had a better early game due to sprite + storm elemental combo. + better heroes and nice and cheesy armageddon tactics.
So there was no need to give storm and ice elementals no melee penalty, conflux was already too strong.
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Baronus
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posted May 19, 2020 09:02 AM |
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Edited by Baronus at 09:04, 19 May 2020.
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Baronus
Simultanously we must correct phoenixes.
Nonsensible is 25% rebirth. Rebirth all or noone! If phoenix has rebith that means all phoenix has it!
So 100 % rebirth BUT 2 growth!
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Phoenix4ever
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posted May 19, 2020 09:22 AM |
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@Zaio-Baio Yeah at least it's not like that in HotA. Conflux is much weaker in HotA.
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bloodsucker
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posted May 19, 2020 10:46 AM |
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Zaio-Baio said:
So there was no need to give storm and ice elementals no melee penalty, conflux was already too strong.
You are confused. On one hand you say "it turn out", then Phoenixes were cheaper and stronger then Archangels, on the other hand "there was no need" for Ice and Storm to have no melee, cause Conflux was already too strong. If they knew at that point that Phoenixes were too cheap, it would be just a matter of making them more expensive.
I do believe it was a bug caused by the rush to launch an expansion and not a deliberate decision. Now, should they have it or not, that's another question. I think they should but that's just my two cents.
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Ghost
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posted May 19, 2020 08:17 PM |
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Baronus said:
Simultanously we must correct phoenixes.
Nonsensible is 25% rebirth. Rebirth all or noone! If phoenix has rebith that means all phoenix has it!
So 100 % rebirth BUT 2 growth!
Yeah I think 50% rebirth, and 2 growth. But I want 24 attack and 21 defense.  so good statistics/value. Even better if I modder. 
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Ghost
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posted September 07, 2024 03:34 PM |
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No melee penalty means ranged units have higher attack than defense, but Storm has 9/9.. It's fine.. An old engine, of course, and H4 became melee, etc But HotA has a new melee mechanics..
Conflux is a weak troop, thus you can't resurrect them, but 3DO scenarios MP maps are different thing, so number talks.. Even if Archangels are stronger than numerical Phoenixes.. Ok weak that walkthrough, etc Where are resurrecting too much, but you can't meet Conflux, only one very old AB walkthrough map is workable, I don't remember map name.. Mapmaker said Conflux is so poor, thus you get more Pyres, but mapmaker showed strategy: a combination of CotUK and Phoenixes.. When you can buy from Artifact merchants.. I played the map, I lost my troops so much from zounds of Gold Dragons, and other Pegasi, Unicorns, etc I became evil Conflux due to CotUK.. When the next opponent waited for me.. I never heard other maps have the same trick..
I play Sprite-Strom-Ice-Phoenix, so I join other creatures, and possibly CotUK with..
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purerogue3
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posted September 07, 2024 05:10 PM |
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Everything goes to hell when the map is over XL (144) size, because in practice for the most fun game you should finish around level 24, when your secondary skills are full.
Beyond this it becomes just resurrection, town portal etc. and thus the storm elemental's weakness is fatal.
But if you play on a smaller map when you are more likely than not to get resurrection, they are OP, non-living helps vs vampires, and no mind controlabilty.
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Ghost
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posted September 08, 2024 05:35 PM |
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Yes purerogue3!
And I said that only Sprite-Storm-Ice-Phoenix, thus player develops their a system!!
What HoMM taught already! Hmm.. But you know that player can't join them, if 3DO scenarios or MP maps.. But Conflux is OP, IMO! Even if Implosion is a key to Phoenixes.. Ok remember that you copy a system/strategy or you are dead!!
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heymlich
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posted September 08, 2024 07:16 PM |
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In your army, these elementals do little, except for slowing your hero.
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Ghost
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posted September 08, 2024 09:23 PM |
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Ok.. I will tell you something important.. Elementals are from Conflux and some dwellings.. Exactly 4 months, I've a Zounds of Storms and Ices.. Because I found them.. But 60 attack (PS) by AI.. 3 vs 3 in Giant map, and Difficulty Mod.. AIs are fast than my 39 Titans now.. Thus legion level 1.. Ok? A normal 3DO scenarios or MP maps?! Those Elementals are strong! If I remember that Lexiav used Storms+Ices+Archery+Golden Bow.. But the thing isn't new but the depth.. Slow? I don't play max.. A normal 4-5 months in the Giant plus Difficulty Mod, and Grindan takes victory party.. Another what? Only level 4-7 for pro.. I prefer level 1-3 and 7.. But now Sprites have no use anymore.. Later on Storm or Ice goes to Conflux for another hero.. It depends on tactics against AIs..
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bloodsucker
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posted September 09, 2024 01:08 AM |
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heymlich said:
In your army, these elementals do little, except for slowing your hero.
Yup. 
At least now I know at what level someone who bashed this fight plays...
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Ghost
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posted September 09, 2024 02:23 AM |
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And a popular small troop, thus fun game.. They use a Tactics against neutral creatures and heroes, esp. in the online and MP.. What? Not interested in an easy win.. Ok I add on chaining.. Why a chaining? Maybe you store troops in the Garrison as a Hexis (H4).. Ok, because surrender is also fun, and hero makes a comeback with special troops, for example.. Not my style.. I changed the style: Armageddon! Grindan has AB+Fire Orb.. But AIs have many numerical troops..
@all HC friends, esp. heymlich and Phoenix4ever
Beware of the bloodsucker
EDIT
Pit Lords are also good choice..
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bloodsucker
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posted September 11, 2024 08:30 AM |
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Beware of the bloodsucker
So, you go to a thread I've opened in a moment when I'm clearly down and from what I could understand from that riddle you call a message, refer to me as an amateur.
Then, when I show you the start of a fight, so you know how amateur I really am, You simply dismiss it.
But days later you show us what you have achieved after 2 and a half months playing some random map and it really is an amateurish result. I make a remark about it and you advert HC members of the danger I represent?
Please, buy a mirror. I don't know what you have against me but you are the one who punches when the others are down.
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Ghost
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posted September 11, 2024 09:02 AM |
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Noes.. You understood wrong.. I always called you GM+.. Another thread I wrote an amateur, I meant if you are.. And it's example, other don't download your map.. I also wrote minimap must be sweet-looking colourful, etc Remember plot/description, etc.. I'm sorry if you felt so.. I didn't mean anything.. Ok
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bloodsucker
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posted September 11, 2024 09:34 AM |
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We all know how to make a compliment that sounds derogatory, if you're going to play with the words that way, you should learn English first.
And while it's true that I've complained my maps don't get that many downloads, I have eight maps published in Maps4Heroes, the least downloaded (and one of my favorites) has 910 downloads at the moment... Do you want to compare numbers?
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Ghost
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posted September 11, 2024 10:01 AM |
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Ok my maps aren't also popular, I think so, thus only 4 Rating or -1 Rating, it depends on maps4heroes or heroes portal, map name is Magic the Village-Forest.. Since 2017 downloaded over 2500 in maps4heroes or since 2010 downloaded over 2200 in heroes portal.. Ok other, I've played No's maps, thus I like easy map but unpopular and some map is flavorless, but popular.. Flavorless map has same style as a No.. Is it because of the name of the mapmaker? So I don't vote maps anymore.. My the last vote was Illusion world 2.. You can try heroes portal.. If you find like, amount of download.. Ok sorry for bad English
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bloodsucker
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posted September 11, 2024 10:23 AM |
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Ok. I knew I had found more and better from you but I was looking with "aka Ghost"...
I've played "In the land of Nod" and it's a quite good map.
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Ghost
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posted September 11, 2024 10:35 AM |
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Since 2018 and downloaded 556 times.. So poor map.. I made a map for my bro.. Because of bro plays the only map named Illusion world 2.. I give a map him for wake-up, but bro stopped playing Heroes.. Bro loves PlayStation games, but bro told H8 to me, I asked do you buy? Bro answered yeah probably.. Yes Nod is a very different, thus I loved.. Several maps I have not done with love.. So you find a profile them..
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