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posted June 18, 2020 08:01 AM |
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Abortions are free in France, contraceptives too, if you know where to look. And that has never impacted the rate, it is unchanged.
All this is nice but ineffective - what you mean by education? the only way to make it work is praise the benefit of being married vs not being, or I don't see that in your propositions.
One serious way to make people think twice about what they do is to punch in their wallet. You assume that most people are educated or willing to be, responsible or willing to be and such. But they aren't, and that's why without coercive measure you don't get anywhere. Look how the state regulates tax payer fraud, once they got you you will feel it.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with my position, which is why should I pay for a drunk dead 19 yo woman who had sex in the back of the car without thinking at the consequences. To note that I have same attitude with overweight people due to personal abuse, or lung cancer because long time smoking. Tax payer should not be penalized because idiots can't control addictions.
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posted June 18, 2020 08:31 AM |
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Last I checked, you were a person who has a sex life and isnt married, so I guess, “educate people to marry” isnt the only answer to not having unwanted pregnancies?
And if my memory serves me right, you used to be a smoker too and you didnt quit when you were 19 years old. You smoked for long years. Your chances of waking up with lung cancer one morning is huge compared to a person who never smoked. So how should the state deal with you in terms of that? I mean, it is one thing to suggest that the state should stay clear from healthcare completely, but if that is not your stance, it is not as binary as “idiot addicts versus responsible health freaks” is it?
And how did the topic shift to this, oh, yes, since Blizz is Roman Catholic now, he sneaked in “abortion = murder” non-sense. But we already have another thread for that, dont we...
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posted June 18, 2020 08:42 AM |
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Well artu last time I checked you were unemployed, not paying any taxes but still lecturing people on how the world must turn. You realize that the world would not turn at all if the majority of people were in your position, just saying...
The thing is, I take full responsibility for my acts. Yes, I am single but was married for 12 years. As in such many cases, didn't last, but that doesn't makes from me someone who believes being single is more beneficial than being married with a family. I still want to have a family but will not start one without having solid guarantees it can work.
Yes I smoke for a long time because I was an idiot. Took me a while to fight that addiction but now is done. So what's your point? I fought my devils, what about you?
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posted June 18, 2020 09:03 AM |
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I am not employed but not on welfare, call me lucky. And I dont lecture people on how the world should run but rather on how it shouldnt run. You dont need to run a grocery store for that now, do you. The antiquity you adore so much had so many people like me but then the “leftists” chopped their heads off. 
I never suggested you didnt take responsibility for your acts, on the contrary, I gave you as an example of an unmarried person who can take responsibility. You dont marry because it is “beneficial” anyway. You may fall in love and want to marry, you may fall in love and want to remain single. But this has nothing to do with pregnancy in this age does it? We have birth control, condoms and so on. So, “the only way to make it work is praise the benefit of being married vs not being” doesnt really make much sense regarding abortions.
I still smoke. But the point was, how should the state treat you in terms of “fighting with your devils a little too late” when it comes to tax payer money?
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posted June 18, 2020 09:07 AM |
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I can guarantee it WON'T work because of this I-attitude of yours: "Why should I pay for the idiocy of others, why should I do something for anyone else, everyone has to live up to my standards..." And you know what people promise each other when they marry.
There are never any guarantees, solid or otherwise, you should know that. So I wouldn't hang my hopes too high in that regard.
What all this has to do with the thread is beyond me.
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posted June 18, 2020 12:44 PM |
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Salamandre said:
So what's your point? I fought my devils, what about you?
They are way too many, I prefer to learn to live with them.
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posted June 18, 2020 01:16 PM |
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In fact, the expression is "fight your demons", my tongue slipped.
Too much Heroes gets me confused 
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posted June 18, 2020 05:37 PM |
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And how did the topic shift to this, oh, yes, since Blizz is Roman Catholic now, he sneaked in “abortion = murder” non-sense. But we already have another thread for that, dont we...
I didn't start it, sort of.
The link in the US between black abortion and white supremacy is indeed an interesting discussion and somewhat related but I won't go there, at least not on this forum. Mainstream society isn't mature enough to handle that topic because we are still hung up on incredibly rudimentary stuff like "groping = bad".
Still, abortion is definitely a subcategory of genocide, especially when it concerns disenfranchised ethnic groups that are nefariously pressured into using those services, allegedly to help lift them out of poverty (it doesn't work at all: it perpetuates the cycle of misery and single families because it provides men with an illegitimate exit at the expense of another human being's life).
In certain other countries, you can replace "black baby" with "female baby" and it's pretty much the same result.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:10 PM |
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Look Blizz, this has all been discussed in the abortion thread, you can believe in some super-natural soul that exists the minute a baby is concieved. Feel free not to have abortions in that case. But in this empirical world we live in, a human actually becomes a human when it has a nerve system and a brain, a fetus without any sentience or mind is not yet human. Abortion is as murder as pulling the plug on a brain-dead patient.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:12 PM |
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Abortion is as murder as pulling the plug on a brain-dead patient who is expected to make a full recovery.
I fixed your post.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:22 PM |
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Expecting prayer and abstinence to stop undesired pregnancies looks like something a fully recovered brain-death patient could come up with...
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posted June 18, 2020 06:22 PM |
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As a result of recent events, it looks like some brands will be retiring their racist origins.
https://www.wesh.com/article/the-aunt-jemima-brand-and-logo-will-be-retired/32891001#
Quaker Oats is retiring the more than 130-year-old Aunt Jemima brand and logo, acknowledging its origins are based on a racial stereotype.
"As we work to make progress toward racial equality through several initiatives, we also must take a hard look at our portfolio of brands and ensure they reflect our values and meet our consumers' expectations," the company said in a statement first obtained by NBC News.
Aunt Jemima's appearance has evolved over time. The brand's origin and logo is based off the song "Old Aunt Jemima" from a minstrel show performer. The company's website said the logo started in 1890 and was based on Nancy Green, a "storyteller, cook and missionary worker." The Aunt Jemima brand was purchased by Quaker Oats in 1926. PepsiCo bought Quaker Oats in 2001.
There have been repeated calls for the company to change the logo. In 2017, the husband of the late B. Smith called on the company to change it and said it was the epitome of "female humiliation."
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posted June 18, 2020 06:25 PM |
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Still on a trolling spree. Bit like slumming, I guess.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:28 PM |
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No, you didnt. Being brain-dead means you cant make a recovery, it’s not a coma. The whole point of the analogy was to emphasize that a body without a brain is not considered human. You can also say a sperm is expected to turn into a human if given the chance, so jerking off would be genocide by your logic. Abortion is legal in all developed countries, obviously murder is not, this is an already resolved issue, unless you want to base laws on religion and live in a theocracy.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:41 PM |
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No, you didnt. Being brain-dead means you cant make a recovery, it’s not a coma. The whole point of the analogy was to emphasize that a body without a brain is not considered human.
According to what? A person in a womb is genetically 100% human and it is expected to become fully formed, so a more proper analogy is "pulling the plug on a brain-dead person who is expected to make a full recovery". Which, of course, is murder, kind of like abortion.
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You can also say a sperm is expected to turn into a human if given the chance, so jerking off would be genocide by your logic.
That makes absolutely no sense. A sperm by itself is never anything but a sperm. There is no potentiality until it fertilizes an egg and becomes a human being.
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Abortion is legal in all developed countries, obviously murder is not, this is an already resolved issue, unless you want to base laws on religion and live in a theocracy.
This is an extremely weak argument, not to mention reeking with peer pressure. How many number of things in history were legalized for the sake of convenience (convenience for more privileged people in society, that is) only to eventually be rejected centuries later? I'm strongly confident that abortion is on the same path btw, especially as technology improves.
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posted June 18, 2020 06:50 PM |
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The more i read of blizz, the more i realize he and i are polar opposites when it comes to beliefs...
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posted June 18, 2020 07:00 PM |
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I really don't see your hang up with the brain. A 3-week-old infant has no concept of even object permanence, let alone a number of other things. I can get a fully grown elephant or chimpanzee or dolphin to do all sorts of cognitive tasks far, far better. In terms of brain development there's no thick red line between a born person and an unborn person.
Why can't we kill 3-week-olds? Or 6-month-olds? What would be your subjective standard for when a human is allowed to be regarded as a human (since actually being a human in reality isn't the standard you want to use). I'm not trying to put you on a slippery slope, I'm just curious if you see a legal qualm with putting down an infant or a mentally disabled teenager to supposedly avoid an economic hardship.
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posted June 18, 2020 07:04 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
I'm strongly confident that abortion is on the same path btw, especially as technology improves.
I agree, soon people will be doing reversible vasectomies and the sort.
fred79 said:
The more i read of blizz, the more i realize he and i are polar opposites when it comes to beliefs...
I agree with you more then you'll ever know.
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posted June 18, 2020 07:19 PM |
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None of this is really so different from the issue of race and implicit bias in society and in the criminal justice system. It's just people deciding who is or isn't fully human based on arbitrary, artificially constructed standards that then create endless unintended negative consequences.
And then when you call out of the privileged people on their privilege, they get mad and reject reality.
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