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https://www.theroot.com/how-brooklyn-borough-president-eric-adams-envisions-the-1844080622
Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams is not, by any means, a prison or police abolitionist. But you may be forgiven for thinking so if you listen to some of the language he uses to describe his vision of what the future of public safety could look like.
“Hopefully one day we can evolve to the point, as human beings, that we don’t need any form of policing,” Adams tells The Root over the phone on Wednesday morning. “How do we address our issues? How do we use community-based systems of resolving conflicts? I think that’s quite possible. I don’t think that’s a utopia.”
But, Adams, cautions, “Are we there now? No, we’re not.”
The journey to this moment has been a long one for Adams—spanning more than 20 years as an NYPD officer and another 20 years in public service. He has always positioned himself as a reformer, particularly when it comes to policing: Adams was a vocal opponent of stop-and-frisk policies during his time in the police force, joining the force under the guidance of Rev. Herbert Daughtry, who told him and other young black men to “infiltrate” the nation’s largest police department.
These experiences mean he can talk about policing with a specificity that many other politicians can’t. He’s called for more robust data collection of arrests based on race and ethnicity, to better track patterns of biased policing within the NYPD. He’s calling for allocating substantial portions of the NYPD budget to other departments, like education. He wants to completely transform the criteria used to select precinct commanders, emphasizing metrics that show engagement with the community (like how many police assisted local residents with getting city identification cards, or helped hand out Census forms).
Six months ago, these proposals would have certainly seemed “radical”—and compared to other prominent city and state leaders, they still are. But the conversation in the last month around policing has shifted dramatically from “transformative” reforms to defunding and abolition. For Adams, the question is how effectively he can sell his vision of public safety to a city with a long and tumultuous history with policing.
Racist policing is, of course, a nationwide problem—one that the breadth, diversity, and persistence of the country’s Black Lives Matter protests speaks to. But in a city policed by 36,000 officers, the borough of Brooklyn has been at the forefront of discussions about the NYPD and its disproportionate impact on black and brown communities. The rapidly gentrifying borough has had a strained relationship with the police force for decades; given Brooklyn’s size (it is, by population, the largest borough in New York) and relationship to policing, it’s no wonder that the city’s largest protests have occurred there.
Born in Brownsville, Adams is very much a native son of the borough, and as its president, Adams has been one of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s most vocal critics when it comes to policing. This was true particularly during the height of the coronavirus pandemic. After several high-profile “social distancing” arrests of black men occurred in his borough and in other parts of the city, Adams compared the police tactics to the stop-and-frisk arrests of the early aughts (data about these arrests would soon confirm that there was a marked racial disparity in who was arrested for not “social distancing” adequately).
Now, as the institution of policing itself is being debated, Adams—who has repeatedly voiced interest in a mayoral run—says he is heartened by the progress the Black Lives Matter protests have brought and the newfound political will to look at “community-based models” of policing. He tells me he has been in conversation with the mayor about a proposal where civilians would have a greater say in picking precinct commanders. Adams is also encouraged by the charges brought not just against former Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin, who killed George Floyd last month after kneeling on his neck for nearly nine minutes, but against the three officers who didn’t intervene.
“These are some reforms that we’ve called for for so many years and they seem to be taking root,” says Adams, before emphasizing there’s still a lot of ground to be gained.
“There is an entire puzzle that needs to be put together of what policing and public safety need to look like,” he continues. “We only put a few pieces on the board. A lot of big pieces remain.”
For Adams, these big pieces include taking “substantial portions of the police budget”—which currently sits at $11 billion—and funneling them toward initiatives that could prevent crime; in Adams’ words, a “proactive, rather than reactive” approach to public safety. Here, he cites the high instances of dyslexia and mental health issues among those imprisoned at Rikers Island. At the infamous New York City Jail, nearly half have mental health issues, while 30 to 40 percent are dyslexic, he told AM NY last year. Eighty percent of those incarcerated at the jail don’t have a high school diploma.
To him, these statistics indicate that more money ought to be going to youth services, public schools and, in particular, learning disability programs, which can help support young people in their education.
But Adams’ position, which emphasizes tackling the root causes of crime, is not necessarily an abolitionist one. Adams very much believes in the necessity of a police force, and wants to see the city take incremental, “tactical” steps to fixing policing rather than an outright disbandment.
Adams points to high rates of gun violence to explain why Brooklyn—and New York City, broadly—still needs the NYPD, citing several recent shootings in his borough.
“There’s a level of professionalism that goes with responding to a shooting. Everybody can’t walk around with a gun. Everyone can’t walk around dealing with those extreme investigations that come with serious crimes,” he says. “There are, at this point, still roles that police officers have to take...to get to the root of a serious criminal action.”
But Adams also emphasizes that he has lived experience with the mutual aid, community-care model of public safety—one that doesn’t rely on police. Adams tells me that before becoming a police officer, he took part in a community safety initiative on his block in Prospect Place. He describes his particular street as being high in drug crime, and subject to abusive policing.
“Then, it turned out later that some of the police were involved in the selling of drugs and guns,” he says. “We organized the block and said, ‘hey, we got this. You don’t even have to come down this block.’”
He doesn’t go into the specifics about how this was done—focusing instead on the country’s collective addiction to using police to solve myriad problems, ranging from loud music to mental health concerns.
“I saw how neighborhoods stopped going from believing the answer was 911,” says Adams. “We evolved in a city, in a country where resolutions to issues were in three numbers: 9-1-1.”
To get a clearer idea of Adams’ values and approach to community care then, it’s helpful to look at his time as a state senator. In 2010, Adams, who said he acted at the behest of a group of young college women, launched a “Stop the Sag” campaign in the city, directed at getting young black and brown men to pull their pants up. The campaign included billboards and a political ad that connected pants-sagging to a long history of racist stereotyping. The video begins with a series of racist caricatures, before landing on footage showing young, black men walking with their pants down.
“It is disturbing that today we see similarly negative and degrading imagery, but this time it is self-imposed,” Adams says in a voice over.
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posted June 21, 2020 10:43 AM |
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blob2 said:
One of the prime examples of your style is how people like you are fast to call others racist.
I call you a racist because you say things like this:
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But here you are, mister wise, judge and jury in one person, howling about a dead of a random scum person.
"Random scum person"? What is this movement called? Random scum persons' lives matter?
You also whine about Atlanta cops now calling in sick as a protest - are you really supporting and defending the police trying to pressure their bosses and the population into leaving them the leeway to kill with immunity, because they otherwise won't "protect and serve" the population? Minus the "random scum persons", I suppose, whose lives don't matter.
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you are hell bent to punish the cop who shot him, becasue now is the time to "howl" at cops, even if he is a guy that is well-aware of the weight of what he did right now (he even tried to save the man with CPR).
As an answer, I quote from this article:
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Prosecutors brought felony murder and other charges against Garrett Rolfe, a white officer who shot Rayshard Brooks after the 27-year-old black man grabbed a Taser during a struggle and ran, firing it at the officer, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said...
Howard said Brooks was not a deadly threat at the time and that Rolfe kicked the wounded man and offered no medical treatment for over two minutes as Brooks lay dying. Another officer, Devin Brosnan, who the district attorney said stood on Brooks’ shoulder as he struggled for his life, was charged with aggravated assault and violation of his oath.
So Rolfe not only shot the guy in the back, twice, he also kicked him and watched him slowly dying. How am I supposed to call people who defend this?
This whole thing, the protests and all, is not about this or that man killed by the police. It's about the US justice system, that's hell-bent on GETTING YOU and PUNISH YOU. I have explained here what is wrong with the justice system and why. It's utterly biassed, not against race, but against poverty and lack of education, and blacks are overrepresented in that group.
Let's assume Brooks would have been without any previous, and things had went like it did, but he wouldn't have resisted. What would have happened? The cops had taken him to the precinct and made a blood test. If above .8 permille (which the breath analyser seemed to indicate that.
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When someone has a first DUI in Georgia they face the following potential penalties:
12 months of probation
A minimum fine of $300 plus court costs and surcharges
Between 1 - 10 days in jail, which many times can be waived
At least 40 hours of community service
Substance abuse counseling
Attendance of the DUI Risk Reduction School (commonly referred to as DUI School)
Attendance of a Madd Mothers Victim Impact Panel
Drivers License Suspension, with a limited permit to drive
Now the thing is, Brooks was found sleeping in his car, not driving it, so they actually had no case and to prove it would have required work.
But THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. A deal would have been suggested (saving the justice system time and money), this deal would have probably involved rather minimal stuff, taken as such not such an issue, say 2 days, 500 Dollars and 50 hours community service. But with that Brooks would have had a criminal record - "in the system" and fair game in the future. With his arrest he'd be in each database, including his picture, and that means, any further crime his data will be compared against, automatically, it makes him a more suspicious person.
In simple words, the US justice system isn't interested in being just or even sensible. The police arm reels the fish in, the prosecution arm process them ASAP and without trial (by deal, if the evidence is flimsy), if possible, in order to what amounts to criminalizing as many people as possible, because that's what their job is. It's about statistics, getting convictions and closing cases. About success rates.
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posted June 21, 2020 12:41 PM |
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Brooks was already in the system; you've been told that. He was on PROBATION when he drove drunk; his car didn't just APPEAR in a wendy's drive thru. That would have been an EASY case to lock him back up. But yeah, keep ignoring everything because you refuse to believe the truth. The guy abused his own children enough that he went to PRISON for it. My own DAD wouldn't have gone to prison with the horrible snow HE did to my mom and myself(among others). That speaks VOLUMES on what kind of guy Brooks was. SCUM. That YOU AND BLM DEFENDS. And commit more acts of violence OVER him. You need to look at your views and REEVALUATE them. The cop is NOT the only one to BLAME here.
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posted June 21, 2020 12:47 PM |
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fred, you're debating a broken recorder.
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posted June 21, 2020 01:00 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I call you a racist because you say things like this:
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But here you are, mister wise, judge and jury in one person, howling about a dead of a random scum person.
"Random scum person"? What is this movement called? Random scum persons' lives matter?
Oh ho, and how is this racist? For me scum is scum: beats and abuses wife and children, drives while drunk. He could very well be white or green. What a hypocrite you are omg...
The problem is now everyone is "protected" by the movement, even random scum.
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You also whine about Atlanta cops now calling in sick as a protest - are you really supporting and defending the police trying to pressure their bosses and the population into leaving them the leeway to kill with immunity, because they otherwise won't "protect and serve" the population? Minus the "random scum persons", I suppose, whose lives don't matter.
Everyone agrees police needs reforms (and probably not even if USA, a lot of immigrants have come to some countries like in Europe so police needs to be trained not to take biased approach when dealing with them). But in the article you quoted “Some are angry. Some are fearful. Some are confused on what we do in this space. Some may feel abandoned,” - and here you are, again mister know-it-all, with such a perfect record I assume you would react nobly as a policeman in a time when all of America is hell bent on making the police seem all-evil. These are people, not your perfect child book depictions of police officers. They react, they are fearful, they might not be trained enough to deal with this kind of situations. But it's easier to call them cowards or "supporters".
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Howard said Brooks was not a deadly threat at the time and that Rolfe kicked the wounded man and offered no medical treatment for over two minutes as Brooks lay dying. Another officer, Devin Brosnan, who the district attorney said stood on Brooks’ shoulder as he struggled for his life, was charged with aggravated assault and violation of his oath.
Ah yes, nothing beats quoting a prosecutor who charges the said police officer. Do you even realize this guy presented some contradicting claims at one point (like the case with tasers in Georgia)? This guy's job is to find as many legal tricks as he can and charge the prosecuted with it. Especially now when there's probably no chance for objective lawsuit cus the mob needs scape goats. And in line with your "facts, not words", I've only seen the video with CPR, nothing about him kicking anybody.
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This whole thing, the protests and all, is not about this or that man killed by the police. It's about the US justice system, that's hell-bent on GETTING YOU and PUNISH YOU. I have explained here what is wrong with the justice system and why. It's utterly biassed, not against race, but against poverty and lack of education, and blacks are overrepresented in that group.
Ahaha, your naivette astounds me. The protests are about:
- Politics, anti-trumpism and general dissatisfaction for the economic state of USA (which is always a thing but that's capitalism for you), made worse by the Coronavirus pandemic (plus a lot of people lost their job, so they don't have anything better to do)
- SJW's having their chance to shine
- People looking elswhere for faults instead of in themsleves, cus it's always easier to blame the system, point fingers
- good ol' looting and destruction. "Everybody" likes that. And anarchist generally like to menace when chance arises
- captitalism, cus it's good marketing when you change your policies to match the current trends. It sells well
- general hate for whites cus they always "had it better"
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Let's assume Brooks would have been without any previous,
By naming him scum person I explained why I think of him so above. If drunk driving is ok with you, and your only looking at potential penalties as dictated by law, not on the deed itself, then it's your system of values, guess people have different values. My point of bringing up his past was only to maybe try to explain his sudden outburst. At this point, DUI or not, it's what happens after they want to cuff him. The guy starts to be a complete as*hole, and the sitaution escalates.
It ended tragic, but people here try to explain to you time and time again that it was the guys reaction which sparked the whole situation. If he knew (or not cus drunk) the consequences of his deeds then he should've faced them like a normal citizen would. There was no case of police abusing him, they were handling the situation very calmly. At one point when questioning him, Brooks can't even seem to remember how he got there "you say you caught me in a car?" (policeman proceeds to explain that he needed to wake him up) or can't even specify how he got there when policeman asks if he drove the car to the drive-by (first he says someone left him there, and then that maybe he wanted a burger so he stopped by). It seems the policeman judged the man is in no state to be left alone and only "fined" and decided to take him to a station. If the guy didn't even have a clue how he got here, how could the police be sure that he won't be a danger to someone and will "get back home"? He could've very well lied and drive here from another state. Even if he was living tehre according to his ID, his wife might've kicked him out. The police officers didn't have the information you now have. Maybe could've checked on the car computer (I belive police in USA can identify people in the system but you need to assume someone is registered there) but again you need to judge a situation on the spot. And there was a drunk guy who broke the law, and his explenation didn't make sense? Maybe he was on drugs? I don't belive you can check if someone is on drugs on the spot. Oh yep, but the most important thing is to read a drunk guy that doesn't have a clue his rights. Cus formalities. Maybe they wanted to read his rights but the guy instantly tried to wrestle with them...
All this while your only line of indictment is that "they did it cus his BLACK" and "police brutality". Yep it's so much easier to say cop just wanted to frame a black guy.
Plus I'm missing the correlation between "handling a DUI person" and someone that resisted arrest, attacked police officers and tried to flee and attack them with a stolen taser. But that's just me...
JollyJoker said:
In simple words, the US justice system isn't interested in being just or even sensible. The police arm reels the fish in, the prosecution arm process them ASAP and without trial (by deal, if the evidence is flimsy), if possible, in order to what amounts to criminalizing as many people as possible, because that's what their job is. It's about statistics, getting convictions and closing cases. About success rates.
Oh boo-hoo. Most police system work that way because at the end of the day, it's statistics that count to evaluate them. But what is your proposition for this? Those work like this way cus there is a need to evaluate someone's work. But it won't change just becasue it's "the right thing to do". It never does, there are careerist or people who like to pat at their backs. Even if there are reforms. Maybe what will change is if there will be more procedures to handle camerderie and that would be good. But I'll tell you what happens now: becasue of #BLM, now most police units will try to "lower the statistics" to appease the crowds. Procedures will get more sloppy cus now each time a black person will be handled there will be a risk of things turning into an uproar. Maybe some police officers will even turn a blind eye on crimes being afraid of taking the risks? While there are certainly good apsects of this, maybe more cases of police misconduct will actually be found and not covered up, the police will also become more indifferent when they see a black man doing something fishy cus they probably "misjudged" the guy based on his color.
I know the perfect solution: whenever there is an "Afro-American" called out as a suspect send an "Afro-Amercian" police officer there (even if you need to call him from another state). Problem solved.
EDIT: I see #BLM has reached Germany https://www.dw.com/en/germany-riots-and-looting-grip-stuttgart/a-53886746. Let's see how your systems will handle it.
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posted June 21, 2020 01:51 PM |
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A white female, Natalie White, is the main suspect for the burning of the Wendy's restaurant after Rayshard Brook's death. She is believed to have been Brook's girlfriend.
If true, this goes to show how linked events can cause people's implicit biases to become more set in stone. First, a police officer recklessly shoots a black person in the back. Second, somebody opportunistically decides to burn the Wendy's where it happened. Turns out, it is the girlfriend of the guy who was recently murdered.
The consequence is that all sorts of people read the news and assume that "they" (a massive and diverse diaspora of people) are a bunch of lawless degenerates and that the BLM movement is bunk.
Implicit bias at work.
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posted June 21, 2020 02:01 PM |
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blob2 said:
I know the perfect solution: whenever there is an "Afro-American" called out as a suspect send an "Afro-Amercian" police officer there (even if you need to call him from another state). Problem solved.
This has also been proved to be ineffective, many black cops were found to be even more quick-judging of other blacks then white cops, cause they were trying to avoid being seen as bypassing people of their own race. This might have changed in face of the current events, tough.
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posted June 21, 2020 02:19 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
A white female, Natalie White, is the main suspect for the burning of the Wendy's restaurant after Rayshard Brook's death. She is believed to have been Brook's girlfriend.
She might be a st*pid protester b*tch. She might be st*pid conservative who wants to frame #BLM. She might even be a white b*tch who wanted "revenge" for her black boyfriend. Stupidity is universal and that's what some of us try to point you out in this thread. (btw I posted her picture a few posts back, didn't know it goes as deep as her being supposedly his girlfriend to add to the situation, other then her being simply stupid).
Why do you guys assume we are only specifically against blacks here? And racist?
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The consequence is that all sorts of people read the news and assume that "they" (a massive and diverse diaspora of people) are a bunch of lawless degenerates and that the BLM movement is bunk.
Yes, or the same sorts of people who then proceed to destroy monuments, shops cus it's right etc. Or who say it's only white people's fault things have gone this bad. Things like #BLM only encourage these stupid people, white or black or green, cus it creates a vacuum, the perfect target for opportunists. But when I hear it's "good" things get burned down or chaotic as it prooves their point, cus it shows people dissatisfaction, and in turn police gets abolished or backed into a corner, then I'm left only sorry for people saying such things.
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posted June 21, 2020 02:44 PM |
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Salamandre said:
fred, you're debating a broken recorder.
The term is “broken record.” A broken (scratched) LP will keep throwing back the needle and cause the turntable to play the same fragment over and over again. (Couldn’t resist after your devil/demon move.  )
There is a lot to say about what all of you guys wrote but this whole debate devolved into two opposite camps who wont budge no matter what. You take a single case, then another case and bury yourselves over the details. Take the man who was painting his wall, then some woman comes and he tells her to “go ahead and call the cops.” Now, under NORMAL circumstances, I would completely agree with an approach that goes “what’s the friggin’ big deal, just inform her that it’s your own wall and move on.” But this is not normal circumstances, is it? There is already a social tension beyond individuals. And people act different when that is the overall situation. You know how muslims call out to prayer five times a day from the mosques, right? Well, in Erdogan Turkey, they just keep increasing the volume up and up, so now we have these tone deaf idiots blowing their lungs out like Italian sopranos over cheap speakers that distorts human voice into a metalic sound. 100 decibels at 4:30 in the morning filling your bedroom: Hello morning prayer. With the corona lockdowns, they added to this other prayers, sometimes lasting 20 minutes, “oh lord, please stop the pandemic” etc etc... Life simply stops with noise, you cant read a book, watch a movie, focus on a train of thought... You just sit there and wait for the distortion to end. About two months ago, one night I finally snapped, walked up to the mosque and started shouting at them to “shut the f up, you mindless morons.” There wasnt a peep from the mosque but it could have gone the other way, I could have been beaten up real bad. Some guys in Izmir actually hacked the broadcasting system and played Ciao Bella during prayer time, not so law abiding is it, mainstream media presented it as “provocation against the faith.” But if you take any of these reactions, mine or the hackers’ without context, it’s erratic. What’s the big deal, just comply with the law.
Now, for some reason (and leftist media brainwash really doesnt cut it), the black minority in the US has a grudge against the system. It’s not about one suspect having a prior or not, how X cops could have handled it differently etc, it’s not about individuals, “there is something rotten in the state of Denmark.” So it’s pointless to exhaust yourselves over one case over another without trying to figure out what the real cause is.
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posted June 21, 2020 02:57 PM |
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Wise words Artu. It does really seem not one of us will budge, but when I'm called out a racist because I won't full-on go with the flow of #BLM (or at least won't agree with many aspects of the movement like destroying historical monuments cus times are changing, and because you live right here and now that entitles you to trash history) something snaps in me. I won't deny that I'm biased in some cases, but it does not come from the fact I somehow "hate" this people. It's what these people display with themsleves that I've come to speak against them: their twisted values, their anarchistic stance, their disregard for the circumstances, their finger-pointing.
The #BLM protests have long gone past their "goodwill" and are now making the world a sh*ttier place to live in for some groups.
And on the point of countries being purposely divided like you have in Turkey (conservatist vs modern). In Poland we currently have a sort of inside war even, becasue our power-hungry govenment manipulates their voters, playing on polish conservatism, tradition etc (like the hate of elites or simply people who made it in life), religion (they even have the support of the Church cus benefits go both ways) and family values. They will stop at nothing to gain total control of every aspect of our country (like Orban did), unfortunately there are still too many people who don't see this, or don't give a f*ck as long as they are given social benefits (our government money-giving left and right is their only strategy). Plus our opposition is very weak, they don't have a sound plan and they also have a lot behind their ears so people won't trust them to return (especially now when they're afraid their social benefits will be receded). That's why I'm also triggered with the situation in America cus I see how easily people can be manipulated in thinking "it's the right way", especially when they have the media pulling out their enemies for them.
That's just one aspect of society: if you don't have enemies, someone will find them for you.
PS: Although you take my "comply with the law" a bit too far, I am not someone who agrees with everything, I simply think there are circumstances you need to take into account when "revolting" and that you simply don't do things and expect you won't be punished for it.
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posted June 21, 2020 03:05 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
A white female, Natalie White, is the main suspect for the burning of the Wendy's restaurant after Rayshard Brook's death. She is believed to have been Brook's girlfriend.
If true, this goes to show how linked events can cause people's implicit biases to become more set in stone. First, a police officer recklessly shoots a black person in the back. Second, somebody opportunistically decides to burn the Wendy's where it happened. Turns out, it is the girlfriend of the guy who was recently murdered.
The consequence is that all sorts of people read the news and assume that "they" (a massive and diverse diaspora of people) are a bunch of lawless degenerates and that the BLM movement is bunk.
Implicit bias at work.
Lol, the assumptions you make...
I watched all the content on that. CNN was recording people gathering outside the wendy's, their camera/camerman was attacked, but not before they recorded a black male going into the wendy's with an unlit molotov in hand.
Then, phone videos posted on Twitter showed black males throwing lit fireworks through the broken windows. By that point, the place was already on fire.
Then, a video showing a white female spraying lighter fluid into the still-burning building was posted on Twitter, with a black female blaming HER for the fire(obviously racially motivated to make it look like a white started the whole thing, the words she used were "this white *****" started the fire, let everyone know").
The black female was obviously lying and racist to boot, but because racism against whites is part of mass-media's program, they ran with it.
The end result, is you and other racists attempt to use this kind of snow to spread their narrative, and actually believe it's your own.
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posted June 21, 2020 03:42 PM |
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And yet it all could have been avoided if a 27-year-old wasn't murdered in the street.
Which goes back to my point that BLM is almost entirely peaceful minus some angry opportunists, which in turn are used as a convenient scapegoat to try to delegitimize the entire movement. The arsons weren't representing BLM; they were simply a group of angry people responding in the wake of another act of terrorism.
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posted June 21, 2020 04:04 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
And yet it all could have been avoided if a 27-year-old wasn't murdered in the street.
You could also say it could've been avoided if that 27-year-old didn't try to resist arrest the way he did, fighting the police, pointing a weapon at them...
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posted June 21, 2020 04:23 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
And yet it all could have been avoided if a 27-year-old wasn't murdered in the street.
Which goes back to my point that BLM is almost entirely peaceful minus some angry opportunists, which in turn are used as a convenient scapegoat to try to delegitimize the entire movement. The arsons weren't representing BLM; they were simply a group of angry people responding in the wake of another act of terrorism.
You're hilarious, lol. What about the ACTUAL terrorism going on in Atlanta in the name of BLM? Hoods in the streets, drive-bys tagging a white BLM protestor in the leg last night, an armed black male walking in the mob with an military-style rifle as a clear threatening tactic, and when the Atlanta PD show up to cordon off the crime scene, one is shoved and they are all forced to abandon the streets they're supposed to protect? Never gonna see any of that on your msm, for sure.
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posted June 21, 2020 04:30 PM |
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You really are a confusing person.
Just a few days ago you were barking about how ALL police are thugs, or some such raving nonsense. It was an exceedingly worse critique than I would ever give, but now you're defending a person who just a few days ago you would have automatically labeled as a thug without knowing anything about him. Police are in fact generally just normal people that are put into an antiquated and brutal system and then trained to behave accordingly. The system is the source of the rot far more than any given individual.
The fact is: the police are often perceived by these over-policed communities as a form of terror, and not without reason. The onus is on local and state and federal governments to change that, because they are the ones that have the power to do so. Angry mobs don't set policy, they simply react to it. It's not hard. You're treating it as if governments/police and angry mobs are two entities with 50/50 responsibility. Angry mobs by themselves have zero legislative or executive power, minus their ability to get the attention of the people who do.
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posted June 21, 2020 05:05 PM |
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It's confusing to you? How about we tell the truth here, and say how you and other leftists choose to ignore certain parts(or huge chunks, or all of) my(and others') arguments whenever it suits ya'll. The only reason i'm trying to brow-beat the black violence/BLM racism into you all so much currently, is because you're all deliberately excusing that part of the equation; because you leftists find it RACIST to point out facts if they involve blacks.
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posted June 21, 2020 05:21 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
And yet it all could have been avoided if a 27-year-old wasn't murdered in the street.
Stevie said:
You could also say it could've been avoided if that 27-year-old didn't try to resist arrest the way he did, fighting the police, pointing a weapon at them...
This. 
Blizzardboy said:
You really are a confusing person.
Translates to: why can't I just put you in a box and label you?
Blizzardboy said:
Police are in fact generally just normal people that are put into an antiquated and brutal system and then trained to behave accordingly. The system is the source of the rot far more than any given individual.
Are you expecting people never heard of the results of profiling police officers or it's just plain ignorance?
Results show strong correlation between the personalities of cops and mobsters.
Blizzardboy said:
Angry mobs by themselves have zero legislative or executive power, minus their ability to get the attention of the people who do.
That's why, if you want to see real change in your country, you must diverge from the mobs and start doing the cleaning work. While there is ONE Pelosi, Biden, whatever, in the ballot, it isn't done. Force the entire DNC to dismiss and you'll be ready to start the conversation.
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posted June 21, 2020 05:28 PM |
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fred79 said:
Brooks was already in the system; you've been told that.
JollyJoker said:
Let's assume Brooks would have been without any previous, and things had went like it did, but he wouldn't have resisted.
Reading comprehension problems? Or is the idea of an assumption to point to something such an alien concept?
Salamandre said:
fred, you're debating a broken recorder.
The usual standard of your posts with political, economical and social content.
blob2 said:
[defending and excusing the police killing people, calling people "random scum"]
Admittedly, you are probably right and I'm wrong calling you a racist. I should call you a fascist, that's more to the point. Sorry for that.
Other than that you still don't seem to get that the police can't just shoot people in the back and then claim immunity. And that this case is just a case IN POINT.
You also don't seem to get that the overload of the justice system and the way things are handled is producing crap. Imagine you are at your doc because of a cold, but he says, "suspicion of stomach cancer". You go into hospital, but since they are totally overloaded and can't afford the time for necessary diagnostics, they tell you, ok, we offer to remove the stomach. On another day they might offer you a prescription for antibiotics. Would that be a sound health system?
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EDIT: I see #BLM has reached Germany https://www.dw.com/en/germany-riots-and-looting-grip-stuttgart/a-53886746. Let's see how your systems will handle it.
You saw wrong. There was a press conference, and it was a spontaneous action of the "party scene" (which is pissed because of corona restrictions) after a drug bust with one of them. 400-500 youth starting to riot (probably on drugs), completely unpolitical.
Here. No BLM involved.
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posted June 21, 2020 05:47 PM |
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Looks like you're angry and lashing out, jj. Maybe you want to go join the protests, yes? Maybe you can see first hand what we're talking about. No, wait, you're not from the U.S.... Do you live in a crime-ridden city where the crime is mostly perpetrated by black criminals? Maybe? No? Well, darn. What about any "protesting" at all? Go outside and look. I'll wait...
Hey, i know! Since i lived in Germany before, i know your cops are corrupt. Maybe go tell them how the blacks are oppressed? Black Power, jj! Make the fist at them! 
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JollyJoker said:
Admittedly, you are probably right and I'm wrong calling you a racist. I should call you a fascist, that's more to the point. Sorry for that.
A German calling others a facists. That's rich. "Sorry for that". See, nice how I labeled you based on history, just like whites are now ostracized for Americas history of slavery? Or how I'm called racist and facist cus I don't agree with your point of view?
JollyJoker said:
Other than that you still don't seem to get that the police can't just shoot people in the back and then claim immunity. And that this case is just a case IN POINT.
No they can't shoot people. Without reason. And the heck claimed immunity for them? They are facing charges as we speak. What else do you want? You're waiting for Garrett Rolfe to claim how he hates blacks and that's why he shot Brooks?
JollyJoker said:
You also don't seem to get that the overload of the justice system and the way things are handled is producing crap.Imagine you are at your doc because of a cold, but he says, "suspicion of stomach cancer". You go into hospital, but since they are totally overloaded and can't afford the time for necessary diagnostics, they tell you, ok, we offer to remove the stomach. On another day they might offer you a prescription for antibiotics. Would that be a sound health system?
I stated numerous times that I agree with USA police system needing reforms, even though I shouldn't even give a f*ck about some far away country. Yet you keep banging your "you don't understand" buffoonery. Besides overload of system has nothing to do with an idiot attacking a police officer. And stop with your parables, I don't even need to imagine it as those are authentic rl cases. I hear stories like this on a daily basis, cus system/human errors are commonplace.
blob2 said:
You saw wrong. There was a press conference, and it was a spontaneous action of the "party scene" (which is pissed because of corona restrictions) after a drug bust with one of them. 400-500 youth starting to riot (probably on drugs), completely unpolitical.
Here. No BLM involved.
And why do you think the rioters are so bold nowadays hmmm? Maybe becasue their continiously getting bombarded with acts of civil disobidience and police hate in media?
"Police President Franz Lutz was "stunned" by the "incredible events" of the night. He had never experienced anything like this in his 46 years as a police officer.
Police work has not become easier in recent weeks. During operations, it is now common for officials to be addressed verbally or physically from a crowd. The party scene in Stuttgart has been active again for about four weeks."
Even if not related directly there are simply some things that run through society especially when the lower reaches of society (yep, whites included) or minorities are involved...
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