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posted November 11, 2020 07:58 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Right now everyone is just parroting whatever his favourite media feeds him which alone already says much about the validity of the post-truth theory.
Excuse me?  Do tell. What is my favorite media feed?
Allow me to quote my favorite poster:
blizzardboy said:
To my knowledge there are zero posters here who have said that Trump isn't allowed to make his legal challenge, but A) He has been shouting "voter fraud!" since 2012 for every election outcome he doesn't like, and possibly earlier before he had social media, so him being a living Aesop Fable doesnt do him any favors, B) Local Republicans have come out and defended the election process in their respective states, C) and most importantly, he hasn't actually made his case public for the most part, and the default stance is that the election results are valid, not the other way around.
The above information has been reported across multiple news feeds, including Fox.
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posted November 11, 2020 08:07 PM |
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btw I don't think that the reasonable midpoint between being open to a range of professional media with fallible editorial lines and being open to people who make **** up in a fantasy land is to vaguely disregard and disdain all sources, it is the same kind of fallacy as the "political parties are dumb" thread where one might as well go and live in a cave lol
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posted November 11, 2020 08:21 PM |
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Excuse me? Do tell. What is my favorite media feed?
Hell if I know, I suppose whatever your local Jesuit padre has told you to watch. 
@verriker, it's not about the law. Let's say the court rules out that a total of 100 000 votes in favour of Biden have been cast illegally, the rest are legitimate. Technically that makes him a president stats-wise, unless the court (the Supreme one I guess) decides that this is enough to compromise the whole elections and cancels them. That president and his whole administration will have to govern a country where around half of the population will consider him to be illegitimate because of proven attempts at cheating and also is somewhat stigmatized by the same among his moderate supporters. Don't see how this can work out. Any decision which doesn't dismiss Trump's claims completely will lead to some form of chaos (not that the court ruling out against Trump is guaranteed to calm things down on its own, far from it).
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posted November 11, 2020 08:24 PM |
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I'd like to repeat my questions:
There is an election due and all the polls say that one side will easily win.
The potential loser starts a campaign months before the event alluding that there will be voter fraud.
If there is indeed voter fraud, who is the more likely culprit - the party who was a clear favorite for the winner or the other side (trying to frame the likely winner to steal the election)?
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posted November 11, 2020 08:49 PM |
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Zenofex said:
@verriker, it's not about the law. Let's say the court rules out that a total of 100 000 votes in favour of Biden have been cast illegally, the rest are legitimate. Technically that makes him a president stats-wise, unless the court (the Supreme one I guess) decides that this is enough to compromise the whole elections and cancels them. That president and his whole administration will have to govern a country where around half of the population will consider him to be illegitimate because of proven attempts at cheating and also is somewhat stigmatized by the same among his moderate supporters. Don't see how this can work out. Any decision which doesn't dismiss Trump's claims completely will lead to some form of chaos (not that the court ruling out against Trump is guaranteed to calm things down on its own, far from it).
I mean this is fun speculation with grand and sweeping narratives (although I was originally discussing just the law) but for me this is not realistic,
after all of the escalating scandals and muslinging under trump I really doubt a single hypothetically successful but inconsequential court case (i.e. flipping just one state) would make a big impact on the already toxic and lunatic nature of the US political atmosphere at all frankly, there has been ranting about voter fraud for four years and people seem accustomed to it lol
with over 270 electoral votes Biden would still become the President and people would like it or lump it same as trump unless he were impeached and removed for some reason, which would not happen unless the Republicans took the House during his term or the Democrats found it necessary to shoot themselves in the foot and head (well I guess the latter is kind of realistic for them) lol
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posted November 11, 2020 09:29 PM |
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I really should know better than to be in this ridiculous conversation  , but with Trump 4 swing states in the hole from having enough electoral votes to win, and with commissioners from his own party saying that the election was safeguarded, and with him not providing specifics other than yelling about fraud in all caps on Twitter, I'm going to take a gander that the Trump campaign's success in the courts is exceedingly unlikely.
So basically, what that leaves is Trump and possibly the loyalists he is installing at the Pentagon, although even those people would probably like to avoid prosecution and watch their grandchildren grow up.
I'm going to remove myself from this thread now for the time being.
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posted November 11, 2020 09:40 PM |
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This debate is totally useless in the end and pretty much irrelevant, tbh.
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posted November 11, 2020 09:51 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
This debate is totally useless in the end and pretty much irrelevant, tbh.
it's not even a debate, but a hate campaign towards Trump and anything and anyone that casts him in a decent light; or casts anti-Trumpers in a bad light. that much is obvious. these are people the globalists weaponized. they cannot be reasoned with. they only want Trump gone, and nothing will change their minds.
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posted November 11, 2020 09:58 PM |
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BS, guys. BS. There is no one and nothing that can cast Trump in a decent light. Not anymore.
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posted November 11, 2020 10:05 PM |
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@fred79
Exactly.
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posted November 11, 2020 10:21 PM |
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who should I mail to get an Emos for Trump membership card lol
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posted November 11, 2020 10:23 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
BS, guys. BS. There is no one and nothing that can cast Trump in a decent light. Not anymore.
even if your handlers tell you there was massive election fraud, you'll(and most likely, they'll) say it was for the greater good, or that Trump lied, or something else to excuse away the truth about your handlers and yourselves. absolutely detestable behavior without merit or honor.
you people would see your own countries implode if your handlers didn't get their way. you don't belong in any nation on earth, as you are purely a detriment to that nation and it's people.
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posted November 11, 2020 10:26 PM |
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fred79 said:
even if your handlers tell you there was massive election fraud, you'll(and most likely, they'll) say it was for the greater good, or that Trump lied, or something else to excuse away the truth about your handlers and yourselves. absolutely detestable behavior without merit or honor.
you people would see your own countries implode if your handlers didn't get their way. you don't belong in any nation on earth, as you are purely a detriment to that nation and it's people.
*its people
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posted November 11, 2020 10:29 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:32, 11 Nov 2020.
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thanks, blizz. it's nice seeing someone actually correct me for a change.
but why did you quote the whole post? i wonder if your intentions were actually benign...
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posted November 11, 2020 10:54 PM |
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BS again. If there really was fraud - which there is no evidence for, nothing at all at this point - I'd say that it's far more likely it was the Trump campaign to set-up Biden, because Biden was in a winning position and had no need for fraud. AT ALL.
But admittedly that conclusion needs a bit of logical thinking which isn't the strong point of the hysterical Trump supporters.
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posted November 11, 2020 11:12 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 23:14, 11 Nov 2020.
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JollyJoker said:
BS again. If there really was fraud - which there is no evidence for, nothing at all at this point
why do you all keep saying this? have you not perused the two websites posted here at hc, that is still collecting more evidence all the time?
let me guess: you WON'T?
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posted November 11, 2020 11:12 PM |
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@JJ
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posted November 12, 2020 08:32 AM |
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You are seriously asking that BS? The only place evidence should be is IN COURT, or more presicely, with the attorney dealing with it or with their lawyers, respectively. Websites are like teleshopping. They try to sell an idea - BS.
Now, speaking of biassed, let's have a look again:
Biden is leading massively in the polls and his opponent blathers on and on about possible fraud with the way to vote that is recommended to use in the pandemic, but not by president (and by the way, due to all the early balloting, the election was the smoothest for a long time, we hear).
Now NOTHING untoward happens and the polls seem to have been correct - and EXPECTEDLY, the blathering is on.
If it was a sports event - who would you expect to have rigged something? The guys who were winning anyway? Doesn't sound sensible.
This looks more and more like an attempted coup. Keep in mind that denying the Biden team transition access is endangering the whole bloody country. If there was really a strong legal claim here somewhere, there was nothing wrong with granting transition, since that would be denied after decisive fraud findings.
If I was you I'd start to worry that the US aren't the US anymore but Belarus or something.
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posted November 12, 2020 09:18 AM |
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you are lying, jj.
Trump was leading in two key states, and then they said, "we're done counting for the night", then while everyone but myself and many others keeping tabs on snow slept, they trucked ballots out of nowhere IN THE BACK DOORS that ONLY had votes for president(not house, not senate, not ANY other selection), and biden magically shot ahead by hundreds of thousands of votes, at 4 in the morning.
you cannot defend this obvious fraud, and retain any semblance of credibility whatsoever. every single thing you post, after such bs, is now utterly without merit; and that goes for anyone here at hc, or anywhere else.
you have invalidated yourselves continously regardless, be it with the riots, your pro-globalist stances, your racism, you name it, you've done it. this last election fraud snow you people are denying, is only the icing on the cake.
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posted November 12, 2020 09:54 AM |
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You are just regurgitating the BS your holy cultist leaders are feeding you. If you'd use your brain for one second, you'd doubtlessly see how ridiculous this whole nonsense is, how hysterically unfounded - and against every official finding, including those of a dozen judges.
And just think about what Trump does to the American image here. If someone is anti-American, it's him. If there really is dirty laundry - do you wash it so that the whole bloody neighborhood can watch ans laugh themselves silly? This could be done in a calm, orderly manner, as it would behoof the bloody POTUS of the world's most powerful country. Instead Trump behaves like a hysterical toddler and makes a fool out of himself and by proxy the US.
What's more - it was predictable. At this point more believable than any fraud claim is the idea that Trump is indeed a Moscow puppet, looking at him using his last breaths to "reorganize" the Pentagon and the CIA and to hell with everything after him. After all, the findings that Russia interfered in the 2016 elections have been unanimous.
Who'd have thought that "The Americans" is an ongoing show right up into 2020?
Take that for a much more believable conspiracy theory than this voter fraud stupidity.
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