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artu
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posted December 04, 2020 05:21 AM |
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Edited by artu at 05:33, 04 Dec 2020.
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I want you for the Army!
Percentage of people willing to go to war for their country. Turks are nationalist as hell as usual, only surpassed by Finland by one percent. (I dont know if I should be surprised there, constant conflict with Russia keeps them on their toes I guess?) Italians love “la dolce vita” too much to waste it for patriotism (love you guys) and I guess Germans have an allergic reaction to the question because of historical reasons:
So, would you fight for your country?
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posted December 04, 2020 08:35 AM |
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Isn't that a trick question?
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posted December 04, 2020 08:47 AM |
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Im offended that Crimea is Teal 
As for the question yeah ofc, but who I fight in the name or in the defence of my country is not a decision im willing to surrender.
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posted December 04, 2020 08:57 AM |
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posted December 04, 2020 10:31 AM |
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Russians Ukrainians Turks is cossack civilisation! Mercenaries warlords wardogs ground pirates! War trobes. So its non comparable to eg. peacefull Poland! Finish people affraid Russia. The same Sweden. Grecee affraid Turkey.
Degenerated West is full of pacifists. All country situation is another.
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Neraus
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posted December 04, 2020 11:14 AM |
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Italy's reaction is more due to a growing hatred of the institutions than anything else really, if you were to ask this question some thirty to forty years ago back when the levy was still mandatory and black partisanship was still high you would have had a much higher percentage.
Of course similar arguments for the rest of Western Europe apply, don't get me wrong, you could even say we're more radical than the rest of them, since we literally ignore acts of war towards us.
I'm quite a fervid nationalist, but I'd fight tooth and nail to stay home tending to the family business rather than serving even as a reservist, because like hell I'm going to fight for a country that denies my people's existence and actively tries to curtail any privileges we earned throughout history. Dying for Sicily? Sign me up immediately, I'd even become a stormtrooper.
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posted December 04, 2020 11:57 AM |
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Finnish have this imaginary idea in their heads that it would be a repeat of the Winter War and they'd be sitting around with sniper rifles across a river bank, headshotting half-starved serfs and giving out high fives, not getting instantly obliterated.
Crimea is Russian btw lol sorry.
Germans are so afraid of surveillance that... https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3gzaci/germans_are_so_scared_of_surveillance_they/ ...they microwave their ID cards so good luck signing them up for the Fatherland  PTSD from fascism takes awhile to get over apparently.
All Greek males, aka Elvin, are conscripts for their country so that map is wrong.
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artu
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posted December 04, 2020 12:27 PM |
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Yeah, we also still have mandatory conscription unless you pay a fee. The question is hypothetical, I guess.
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posted December 04, 2020 12:38 PM |
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I do wonder why the West EU has such low percentages...
Can't really put my finger on it...
And yes, I am aware that my country provided no data for this survey. It was that bad. maybe worse than the data garnered in the west, maybe not.
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artu
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posted December 04, 2020 12:39 PM |
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Edited by artu at 12:46, 04 Dec 2020.
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@ Neraus
During WWI, when trench wars become unbearable, low-rank French officers protest the situation and refuse to fight. The result: Execution by firing squad. Italians, on the other hand, prefer a less noble approach, they start surrendering collectively. The result: Survival.
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Neraus
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posted December 04, 2020 12:47 PM |
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It would be a good joke, but Italians were worse than the French in terms of executing soldiers, Cadorna literally reinstated decimation as a punishment, and the army was infamous for summary executions for "cowardice".
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artu
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posted December 04, 2020 12:58 PM |
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Edited by artu at 12:58, 04 Dec 2020.
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Well, it’s not a joke though, I watched it in a documantery not so long ago. Maybe, that’s how and why they came up with the idea of surrendering all together. Unlike the French, they werent naive about the situation.
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Neraus
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posted December 04, 2020 02:37 PM |
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Episodes of mass surrenders aren't surprising, but that's a constant of warfare since the beginning of time
But yeah, it's undeniable that Italian army morale was under the boots, especially considering the total inability to penetrate the Austrian defenses and later being smacked so hard that to this day we use Caporetto as the synonym for a crushing defeat, not even our decisive victory at Vittorio Veneto washed the stain of that shame.
It's not that we're pacifists at our core, it's just that we've had centuries of failures and no reason to trust our military institutions.
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posted December 06, 2020 02:51 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:54, 06 Dec 2020.
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They asked me if I wanted to serve in Cyprus, I declined so they took me anyway. Nuff said.
I would fight if there was an absolute need(but politicians and their families first ^^). Otherwise, not a fan of nationalistic agendas and the army is a joke. That said, you should have seen my epic blanket folding skills. No pockets of air, no wrinkles, perfectly smooth and precise!
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posted December 06, 2020 03:22 PM |
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Most of those polls are probably wrong. When polled about ethics and morals, people answer what they think it makes them look good, at that moment. Is like "would you defend better wealth redistribution", then everyone is for but not when it's about him to share.
Cultures are not so malleable, to see who will risk his life to defend his nation, community and/or culture, look back not so far historically and you will find.
French at 29%, what a joke. These people are being invaded, then killed by terrorists on an almost weekly basis now, yet the only reason they will feel a bond and rant is when you scratch their purse.
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posted December 06, 2020 03:29 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 15:29, 06 Dec 2020.
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What if peace, prosperity, union, dialogue, faith etc. as the guiding principles in life are reasons enough for the west to be disinterested in armed conflict? I think that's the better analysis of what that image shows, as opposed to cowardice or ptsd. People don't care about war because war is not on their minds, it's about the last thing they'd want to think about too. The east block is different though, threats are right next door and if it ever comes down to it, it'll be the first theater of war.
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posted December 06, 2020 03:37 PM |
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Stevie said:
What if peace, prosperity, union, dialogue, faith etc. as the guiding principles in life are reasons enough for the west to be disinterested in armed conflict? I think that's the better analysis of what that image shows, as opposed to cowardice or ptsd.
A pleasant thought, but:
A) The West becoming "peaceful" precisely parallels when the West became nuclear, i.e. the cost of war became completely unbearable. So when thinking that people in 1950 were more enlightened and noble than people in 1930, be careful to understand the underlying situation and why things might be different.
B) With the former fascist powers, PTSD is definitely a big part of it because if Germany/Japan/Italy (or even the Allied countries) had other motives then war could have been avoided in the first place. You don't start a war, invade a bunch of places, lose a couple million soldiers, get your civilian population carpet bombed, surrender, and then afterwards talk about how interested you are in peace. I mean, yeah, obviously they are going to say that after-the-fact. Germany is obviously going to have a much more negative visceral reaction to war even today with people that didn't experience it personally because it is an inherited mentality passed down from the older generations that had their own army pillage them, all of the sons in an entire family killed, etc., not to mention Millennial and Generation Z Germans are continuing to live with frequent references of Nazism in 2020. That is going to behaviorally train them to think and act in a certain way. Japan is a little different because a lot of them are still in denial mode and a lot of them are still in-the-closet fascists that think Nationalist China had it coming and that history misjudged them, blah blah blah, whine whine whine, but they still have an extremely visceral negative reaction to the idea of war (this is changing in Germany btw and the all-threatening toxic 'victim mentality' is starting to infiltrate their culture, but it has a ways to go. With Japan, it was always there and a lot of Westerners don't realize this because they don't follow Japanese politics. They just watch anime.)
C) New generations continue to live with the reality that war today involves an unbearable cost, unless it involves hitting somebody who can't hit back very hard, which is a shrinking number of places as more countries become developed and have a developed military. There's a reason USA (belligerently) invaded Iraq but did not invade N. Korea. Quite simply, it is not able to without suffering massively negative consequences.
D) Just look at the populist parties and candidates sprouting up that love to talk a lot of smack. Even in a nuclear age there are signs of there being less dialogue, not the other way around, and these candidates aren't just popping up from the void. Actual people are voluntarily voting for them.
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