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posted May 18, 2021 08:00 PM |
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@Blizz, artu
An old thought of world. They developed aged drug something, what today we try.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:09 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
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If there are millions of years to work with, then interstellar travel is completely doable. Maybe not something an individual would ever want to bother with because it takes seemingly forever, but sending out crafts is different. As far as why they would do it; they would probably want to do it the same reason we do. If the species wasn't inquisitive and passionate about stuff then it would never have become an advanced civilization in the first place.
What would that gain? And for whom?
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posted May 18, 2021 08:18 PM |
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JollyJoker] said:
What would that gain? And for whom?
I can very easily see us doing something just like this within the next few centuries. It might be hard to get government to fund it, but private would do something like this even if it didn't bring any money back and even if it was extremely expensive. There are people who would do this.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:25 PM |
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What exactly can you see us doing? A generation ship into athe unknown?
No. Too many problems to solve for no potential gain with no chance of keeping any contact.
I can see us developing the theoretical foundations for some ftl drive within the next centuries.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:38 PM |
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I mean sending out of a ton of ships in the future that can take data and auto-correct and do complex and sophisticated tasks independently. The technology isn't where it needs to be, but there's nothing theoretically impossible about it. This is something a billionaire/trillionaire or a group of billionaires would/could be interested in doing, if they got the legal pass to do it.
A generational ship (essentially something that would need to be the size of a very small moon) is a much, much bigger task and like you said there's a thousand different difficulties involved. Not impossible but not likely either.
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I can see us developing the theoretical foundations for some ftl drive within the next centuries.
I don't see how, but if so it would change everything. I mean I'm not an astrophysicist or something but I know how E=MCsquared works and FTL isn't possible.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:45 PM |
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Well, at some point, it is going to be about the survival of the species. That is, if we last that long.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:49 PM |
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There's that too. When a planet becomes uninhabitable without a lot of assisted technology, it might not matter so much whether you're living on a planet or living on a superstructure traveling through space. So much interaction could just be virtual and you 'exist' wherever you want anyway. That would involve a lot of advancement in a brain-computer interface, but again, nothing theoretically impossible about it. FTL, unfortunately, is impossible on a theoretical level.
Plus if you can keep everybody alive and if you can switch off the brain's internal chronometer, you just go unconscious and the next second (or that is how it would feel) you wake up and you're in another star system as if nothing happened.
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posted May 18, 2021 08:54 PM |
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Sending out a ton of ships wouldn't gain anything. They'd need hundreds of years to explore the near vicinity and then had to send messages that would need more time to finally arrive. And then what?
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posted May 18, 2021 08:59 PM |
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artu said:
Well, at some point, it is going to be about the survival of the species. That is, if we last that long.
You mean, in hundreds of millions of years? Or after a disaster of our own making?
I think that's too much science fiction. If there is a disaster AND the time to somehow build that there was probably a way to avert the disaster.
And in hundreds of millions of years? Who knows whether we even have a HUNDRED.
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posted May 18, 2021 09:07 PM |
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@JJ:
You send the data back and then after so many hundreds or thousands of years later, it could be viewed.
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posted May 18, 2021 09:07 PM |
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Edited by artu at 00:11, 19 May 2021.
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Well, I already said if we last that long. But the certain thing is, at some point this solar system will be uninhabitable and if we are to survive that, we’ll need something that can travel interstellar distances with living things in it. So you’d have to have food and energy that lasts for incredibly long times.
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posted May 18, 2021 09:09 PM |
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posted May 18, 2021 09:18 PM |
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Sure, once everybody that refuses to eat it starves to death, the survivors could have enough to go around.
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posted May 18, 2021 09:21 PM |
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Pessimism! I think we can do.. I forgot nerds.. Only the best Blizz has AI thought. We fire aliens? Risky!
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posted May 18, 2021 09:23 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Sure, once everybody that refuses to eat it starves to death, the survivors could have enough to go around.
Not at all, french cheese was invented mainly for galactic travel
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posted May 18, 2021 10:04 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
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You send the data back and then after so many hundreds or thousands of years later, it could be viewed.
You mean, we'd live so many hundres of thousands of years without that nonsense becoming obsolete? You do realize how much progress we've made in the last HUNDRED years, right - and how easily the situation could be unrecognizable anymore in that time.
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Well, I already said if we last that long. But the certain thing is, at some point this solar system will be inhabitable and if we are to survive that, we’ll need something that can travel interstellar distances with living things in it. So you’d have to have food and energy that lasts for incredibly long times.
There is so much wrong with this, artu.
The first assumption is that we actually survive as a species at all (and not destroy the habitability of the planet, for example, and become extinct). Then - I think it's difficult to imagine where we will be as a species in 100 years. 2121? in 500? 10.000? One million?
I would think that if we exist this long we will
1) long have left the system and/or
2) find a way to "re-energize" the sun to extend its life cycle and/or
3) make Earth the something that can travel and/or
4) Create habitable planets and/or
5) Create suns ...
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posted May 18, 2021 10:27 PM |
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posted May 19, 2021 12:29 AM |
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Edited by artu at 00:30, 19 May 2021.
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@JJ
Well, humans can die out in great scales but at this point, for them to go completely extinct, you rather need a cosmic level disaster. Anything earth level (like a pandemic etc.) will still have survivors since we are all over the planet, have the conscience and intellect to hide out and global communication. And even if 50 people survive in an underground bunker somewhere or in the north poll etc etc, they can repopulate in a few thousand years.
Something that destorys the earth itself or making it uninhabitable though, that will eventually happen. Even if you reenergize the sun, you must first prevent it from going into red giant state and swallow the Earth while throwing off outer planets into deep space. So you stick to one solar system, you’re gone for sure.
Btw, I think it is very probable that we may not last that long anyway, too. But if we somehow manage, the cosmic disasters are inevitable at some point,, so interstellar travel wont be “just an adventure” but rather a matter of survival eventually.
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posted May 19, 2021 12:38 AM |
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i'm trying to remember everyone's stances on the overpopulation issue, and i can't, but it certainly seems like there are more people on board now, that used to argue with me about it...
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posted May 19, 2021 01:30 AM |
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@JJ
Okay, you can explain that to a future Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos-type personality, but I am positive that there are future people who would absolutely be interested in sending crafts into deep space even if it means not getting any information back for an extremely long time, especially if standard propulsion systems are the only way to do it and there is no hope of FTL coming along. We still need to get a lot better at space travel and for it to become a lot cheaper to do this, but that is all a matter of time.
I'm not disagreeing with you that we're currently on a trajectory of self-destruction over things like climate or resources or conflicts, and none of those events several hundred years from now might have a chance to happen, but people are always to some extent going to plan ahead as if things were going to work out.
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