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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 09, 2022 07:26 AM |
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Visions (spell)
Can anyone confirm if the AI uses Visions or not? Or does it inherently already know which creatures are going to join?
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted February 09, 2022 10:51 AM |
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I would also like to know that.
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Mortarial
Hired Hero
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posted February 09, 2022 05:16 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Can anyone confirm if the AI uses Visions or not? Or does it inherently already know which creatures are going to join?
Can confirm that AI does know about friendly mosters. And I am pretty sure AI never uses Visions.
Edit: I meant to say doesn't. Damn.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 09, 2022 05:30 PM |
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Yeah, I suspected as much. Thanks.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 09, 2022 05:33 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Can anyone confirm if the AI uses Visions or not? Or does it inherently already know which creatures are going to join?
Easy test, why ask. Place 1000 joining azures in front of starting town. Then see if it gets out or not.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 09, 2022 07:29 PM |
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Maybe, but I wanted to know if it ever uses the spell.
But sure, I can do your test Salamandre.
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Fanofheroes
Famous Hero
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posted February 09, 2022 07:59 PM |
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I always thought Visions just told you the numbers of each unit. It doesn't say whether they are totally complaint to join, or hostile. Rogues did that.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 09, 2022 08:18 PM |
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Okay I did a few tests:
#1 100 Azure Dragons set to compliant (will always join) and AI did not have Visions:
AI did not confront the dragons aka it did'nt know their intent.
#2 100 Azure Dragons set to compliant (will always join) and AI had spell book, spell points and knew Visions:
AI did not confront the dragons aka it did not cast Visions.
Hmm seems like AI won't confront stacks, it is not able to survive and it has no way of knowing their intent. That is kinda bad for the AI, but yeah...
@Fanofheroes
Visions will tell you if neutral creatures will join, fight or flee. 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 09, 2022 08:24 PM |
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So, this settles it, AI has no clue about friendly creatures.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 09, 2022 08:47 PM |
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Heh visions suck! I created the strongest monster than Ghosts. AI knows the strongest. How ask. AI and Fight value. But I'm not mad wizard. If I got a three gift about Heroes spells. I choose visions, thus I can see woman will join me. It save my time. Fine! Ok banned!  Because AI abuse.
Visions, DD and cure.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2022 09:31 AM |
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phoenix4ever said:
seems like AI won't confront stacks, if it is not able to survive (...) it doesn't cast Visions.
You forgot to test the situation where the stack could in fact join, i.e. when the stack is weaker then hero's army.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 10, 2022 12:28 PM |
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@Bloodsucker
Will do, when I get home from work...
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Fanofheroes
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2022 03:34 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
phoenix4ever said:
seems like AI won't confront stacks, if it is not able to survive (...) it doesn't cast Visions.
You forgot to test the situation where the stack could in fact join, i.e. when the stack is weaker then hero's army.
I've seen this. There was a weaker stack, but like 400 hobgoblins. The AI had ~30 archangels, 20 black dragons and a bunch of other lower teir units as well. I knew the AI couldn't farm the hobgoblins in a city because there were no stronghold towns on the map. So the AI approached to fight because they knew their army was stronger, saw it could acquire them, and then suddenly they're walking around with so many hobgoblins.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 10, 2022 06:33 PM |
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Okay, did some more testing:
#3a AI hero started with 100 Azure Dragons, was faced with 10 compliant Azure Dragons and did not know Visions:
AI went straight to pick the Azure Dragons up.
#4 Same scenario as above, but facing 50 Azure Dragons:
AI went straight to pick the Azure Dragons up.
#5a Same scenario as above, but facing 75 Azure Dragons:
AI did not confront the Azure Dragons.
#5b Same scenario as 5a, except AI had spell book, spell points and knew Visions:
AI did not confront the Azure Dragons.
I think it is safe to say now, that AI never casts Visions.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2022 06:59 PM |
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Thx for this information. I have some use for it.
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