|
| Thread: What do you hate about Heroes 3? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 · NEXT» |
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
posted January 11, 2023 12:02 PM |
|
|
Poll Question:
What do you hate about Heroes 3?
Only I hate the game crashes by AI.. I don't keep an imbalance is a problem also AI bonuses, when I played RoE where were legion by AIs.. Only problem's name I can't play until end.. H3 is a decent balance, of course.. What about bug? It can fixes well, but AI crashes the game seems it can't be fixed.. So you delete AIs hero or creature, depend on thing, and the game can continue, but if flag is HUMAN or Computer..
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
posted January 11, 2023 01:15 PM |
|
|
Hate is such a strong word.
I dislike some things - not so few, actually -, but what I really hate is the fact that with so many secondary skills being crappy (which I dislike), the AI is unable to develop a decent hero - "decent" meaning a high-level hero stocked with good (not crappy) skills.
You'd think the designers had no idea about how good or bad their skill creations were.
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 01:27 PM |
|
|
Ghost said:
What about bug? It can fixes well, but AI crashes the game seems it can't be fixed
of course it can be fixed - reasons are well known, but how long you tested your map before uploading, 3 days?
|
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 01:44 PM |
|
|
Salamandre said:
Ghost said:
What about bug? It can fixes well, but AI crashes the game seems it can't be fixed
of course it can be fixed - reasons are well known, but how long you tested your map before uploading, 3 days?
Not only my map but others' maps. Just two hours ago the game crashed by AI and Difficulty MOD.. When it fixes, and other AI crashes the game, so endless fix.. H3 is a very known crashings..
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
gnollking
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 01:57 PM |
|
|
Ghost said:
H3 is a very known crashings..
I don't think I've ever had SoD or HotA crash in thousands of hours of playing (other than me myself breaking some maps while editing the game files  ). Maybe some big SoD custom map before the HD mod existed. It's one of the most stable games I've ever played, thanks to the time it was made in, most likely.
____________
|
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 02:20 PM |
|
|
gnollking said:
Ghost said:
H3 is a very known crashings..
I don't think I've ever had SoD or HotA crash in thousands of hours of playing (other than me myself breaking some maps while editing the game files ). Maybe some big SoD custom map before the HD mod existed. It's one of the most stable games I've ever played, thanks to the time it was made in, most likely.
HotA is better than WoG/ERA.. I read someone reported 2400k Basiliks or equivalent other.. HotA 1.4.? between 1.5.? versions were famous bug.. I call crashing game.. They really fixed well..
OK maybe I should to send reports to Baratorch.. At least random maps, my two maps, 3DO scenarios, and other's maps. First, it's happening..
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 02:22 PM |
|
|
Some mapmakers think multiple AI heroes with 99999 creature in each slot should run flawlessly then keep snowing when it doesn't. Look at maps shipped with the game to see what was designed to run, period.
You can extend those possibilities almost infinitely - look at Chinese maps for example, or Biobob's, but then it requires months of testing and understanding how original mechanics can be altered without punishing the player with endless crashes. Thats for SoD/Hota.
And btw, Ghost, your map is wog so it requires additional proper scripting. From what I observed in your main script, it was a ticking bomb. There are no miracles.
|
|
NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 02:49 PM |
|
|
Imbalance but not the typical "Multiplayer imbalance"
Rather a "player imbalance" where like 50% of your progression options are useless
It's good that H3 didn't do a "choose your creature" like H4 or they would have botched that too
"Choose between vampires and wights" . . .
____________
|
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 02:56 PM |
|
Edited by Ghost at 14:57, 11 Jan 2023.
|
@Salamandre
Isn't freedom. HotA is freedom now. H4 you can do what you want.. IDK about H5..
The next WoG map is Surrealistic Land.
I remember how I tried to prevent AI bugs.. Map's name was True or Fantasy (RoE), etc Event had 7xlegion, etc It meant it forced me to play with 1lvl hero.. Helpless Fear was strong.. I can try again, but I'm not pro to prevent bugs..
So I must to install HotA.. and to test maps, if their claim is true.. And then 1000k monsters to map..
Biobob? Bobob? Ok maybe map was Metataxer's or minimap showed dragon.. So longer time ago.. Hmm the game started almost empty area.. An easy, but an odd AI opponent was strong.. When I met AI.. It after I've not played his map.. I can't say, maybe another Maygwan.. I can check on mapeditor, when I've +6000 maps from heroes 3 wog.. If not, I download then..
The world's hardest map was some Heaven and Hell.. I can't find from maps4heroes, etc Without crashing game too..
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
gnollking
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 02:58 PM |
|
|
Salamandre said:
And btw, Ghost, your map is wog so it requires additional proper scripting.
WoG/ERA has so much potential and many amazing maps with minimal crashing. The thing is that the amount of work a proper custom XL-G map takes with the "painting", story, quests, balancing, etc is already so much, and then you add scripting on top of it. Playtesting is a massively time-consuming part of making maps, so you have to be pretty hardcore to torture yourself by adding some game-changing stuff into the mix, imo
Now, my on-topic answer is: I agree with JJ.
____________
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 03:09 PM |
|
Edited by phe at 15:16, 11 Jan 2023.
|
graphics which should be still h2like
doubled creatures statistics and numbers( in comparison to h2)
upgrade cost just price diffrence, it was doubled in H2
lack of crucial h2 artifacts
no separate mass spells
combined view spells into View Air/Earth
still primitive battle with legions of creatures occupying one hex
artifacts increasing one skill and decreasing the other
|
|
thecastrated
Famous Hero
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 03:24 PM |
|
|
Cheaters, Hit and run accusers and sore losers
____________
|
|
Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 04:16 PM |
|
|
The bad secondary skills and the fact that it lacks the Forge which should have been in AB.
____________
Horses don't die on a dog's wish.
|
|
NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 04:36 PM |
|
Edited by NimoStar at 16:38, 11 Jan 2023.
|
phe said:
graphics which should be still h2like
doubled creatures statistics and numbers( in comparison to h2)
upgrade cost just price diffrence, it was doubled in H2
lack of crucial h2 artifacts
no separate mass spells
combined view spells into View Air/Earth
still primitive battle with legions of creatures occupying one hex
artifacts increasing one skill and decreasing the other
Sounds like you just want h2... lucky for you that exists
Artifacts which diminish one skill vs the other were one of the interesting designs of the game instead of being mindlessly boring, there should have been much more of them. You want high attack? Your creatures are fragile now. You want godlike defense? You will need to play around low speed. And such things.
As it is things like Helm of Heavenly Enlightment are basically win hax
____________
|
|
ArdentWyrm
Famous Hero
King of the Elder Dragons
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 05:26 PM |
|
|
I don't hate H3 at all, but if I had to point out something that could be improved, it would be the imbalance of secondary skills, learning, scholar, and eagle eye are all horrible skills.
____________
Torment is blinding. It lies. Its pollution steals my sense. It promises: destroy everything and the pain will cease.
- Kralkatorrik
https://dragcave.net/user/ArdentWyrm
|
|
Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 05:40 PM |
|
|
The game offers tons of artifacts, spells and skills which are by all means useless.
I'm very much against nerfing every overpowered strategy, rather add more options and boost the ones that are underpowered.
H5 does much better job at this, at there are many builds, synergies and counters available. H3 is more a bag of random and untested ideas.
____________
The future of Heroes 3 is here!
|
|
ArdentWyrm
Famous Hero
King of the Elder Dragons
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 05:42 PM |
|
|
interesting to see everyone's opinions, but for me H5 map editor is very user unfriendly, and unfortunately, I like making maps.
H5 gameplay was very well-done, though.
____________
Torment is blinding. It lies. Its pollution steals my sense. It promises: destroy everything and the pain will cease.
- Kralkatorrik
https://dragcave.net/user/ArdentWyrm
|
|
phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 06:22 PM |
|
Edited by phe at 18:24, 11 Jan 2023.
|
|
Mages can't cast any spell...few Enchanters cast powerfull mass spells...
|
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 06:26 PM |
|
|
Warmonger said:
The game offers tons of artifacts, spells and skills which are by all means useless.
I'm very much against nerfing every overpowered strategy, rather add more options and boost the ones that are underpowered.
H5 does much better job at this, at there are many builds, synergies and counters available. H3 is more a bag of random and untested ideas.
 thanks
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
|
|
posted January 11, 2023 06:28 PM |
|
|
phe said:
Mages can't cast any spell...few Enchanters cast powerfull mass spells...
SORCERESSes are stronger 
____________
Fight MWMs - stand teach
|
|
|
|
