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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 04, 2023 12:18 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
I love and hate HotA at the same time.
But with my own personal mod, it gets a 1000% better. A shame HotA content is so hard to mod though.
I will say this however:
Interference 
Spell Research
Agreed.
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portus
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 04, 2023 01:14 PM |
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NimoStar said:
Basically, hota is the predecessor to the failed design philosophy of the failed successor Songs of Conquest.
I'd love to read your take on Songs of Conquest. I find it interesting yet at the same time it doesn't quite get to me. Are you guys sharing your thoughts on the matter somewhere?
Other than that, very well spoken!
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Dairy
Known Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 12:55 AM |
- penalty applied by Corribus on 09 Feb 2023. |
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What a bunch of butthurt rednecks circlejerking over something they spite and hate so much.
Get over yourselves and quit being useless topic creators.
Cheers
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Gandalf196
Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 01:56 AM |
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Dairy said:
What a bunch of butthurt rednecks circlejerking over something they spite and hate so much.
Get over yourselves and quit being useless topic creators.
Cheers
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 07:59 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
I love and hate HotA at the same time.
I hate to be incapable of reverting the changes to Slow and Logistics but love the unbelievable templates editor.
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Dairy
Known Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 12:21 PM |
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Gandalf196 said:
Dairy said:
What a bunch of butthurt rednecks circlejerking over something they spite and hate so much.
Get over yourselves and quit being useless topic creators.
Cheers
Mods
Yes please, delete this thread, where people who are not able to praise one mod without bashing other.
Each and every mod deserves respect from VCMI, SW, WOG/ERA and HotA.
Read it after yourselves, you literally love one mod, but with same breath bashing something else. I know people tend to hate the higher quality stuff, but this is ridiculous. You sound like washed up modders who are constantly whining, moaning and snowing about your personal opinions about something you dont even have to pay attention to. You dont pay money for any mod nor you are entilted to get anything from any creator on this forum. Wish some veterans could come back and show you how to pay respect to all contributors.
TL R get a life and get overyourselves.  cheers
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted February 05, 2023 02:44 PM |
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People are allowed to say their opinion, nothing wrong with that.
If you can't take criticism, you are the one with a problem.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 05, 2023 05:08 PM |
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WoG/ERA, of course! I saved Difficulty Mod, etc.. When their Launcher said no longer.. I'm afraid Launcher removes finally in some day.. I can't play SoD 200%, etc  Then I can't play nerfed, thus another player feels so hard or wants to win.. without strong AI.. Only SP I played against over 700 Sylvar Centaurs, 250 Silver Pegasi, 15 Diamond Dragons, etc and hero stats over 35 PS in the 2 months in Realm of Chaos map or other it 3DO map something  Much better than RoE.. and other MoDs.. Thus from impossible to insane is ok.. If you want so very good Mod.. You need a OP godlike AI..
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Gandalf196
Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 05:18 PM |
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To whom it may concern:
I have enormous respect for HotA.
I find AH3M suits my taste better.
Nothing else should be derived from the title of this thread.
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VMaiko
Known Hero
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posted February 05, 2023 06:57 PM |
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Dairy said:
Yes please, delete this thread, where people who are not able to praise one mod without bashing other.
Each and every mod deserves respect from VCMI, SW, WOG/ERA and HotA.
Read it after yourselves, you literally love one mod, but with same breath bashing something else. I know people tend to hate the higher quality stuff, but this is ridiculous. You sound like washed up modders who are constantly whining, moaning and snowing about your personal opinions about something you dont even have to pay attention to. You dont pay money for any mod nor you are entilted to get anything from any creator on this forum. Wish some veterans could come back and show you how to pay respect to all contributors.
TLR get a life and get overyourselves. cheers
The topic of HotA is a serious love/hate affair, we love HotA for the development of the game itself, which improved it and made it look like an official continuation of the game, but we also hate that it can't be modded at all, we are players, but among them, many of us are also advanced players who would like to modify the game to our liking to feel more comfortable. For example, completely I hate how they have nerfed Logistics, being such a huge map that I play, it takes me much longer to cover a piece of land and I don't like that at all.
I hope you understand the reason why there are people complaining about HotA.
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MarkMasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted February 06, 2023 09:28 AM |
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I for one really enjoyed HoTA. it really felt as an extra expansion after SoD including a well-designed town and a fun campaign with extra properties included.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted February 06, 2023 10:59 AM |
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If you want to mod the game as you please, you have to choose something different than HotA... ERA gives you endless possibilities with custom scripts, while VCMI gives (comparably) limited but easy to use mod features that work in line with original mechanics and the engine.
Why do people insist on fitting a square brick in a round hole?
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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted February 06, 2023 01:10 PM |
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Need list of all features aka complete changelog from start to finish so I can agree or disagree with OP.
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baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted February 06, 2023 08:16 PM |
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Do not generate conflict between modders! Its counterproductive! I generally like modding very much. Unfinished very amteur. mods too! I was finished some of this kind projects. Its very good we have a lot of mods. And we want more!
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted February 07, 2023 11:42 AM |
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baronus said:
Do not generate conflict between modders! Its counterproductive! I generally like modding very much. Unfinished very amteur. mods too! I was finished some of this kind projects. Its very good we have a lot of mods. And we want more!
The world is coming to an end. I totally subscribe to Baronus words.
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LordCameron
Known Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted February 09, 2023 05:12 AM |
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I think a lot of people are just frustrated out of love by HOTA. It does so many things right, but nobody is going to agree with every decision. And they take away the ability to get it just right. We wouldn't be talking about it if we didn't care about it's success.
My dream mix includes BTB's Conflux, Logistics, ammo, and Inferno Castle Gate combined with HOTA's Scouting, Estates, Mysticism, Cove and ERAs modding.
Definitely get rid of Interference (Except for the artifacts) and spell research. First time I watched someone play Jebus Cross I was horrified. It turned a measured magic adventure simulator into a quick trip to the casino. It was like someone snorted the Mona Lisa or dumped sugar on a lasagna.
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baronus
Legendary Hero
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posted February 09, 2023 09:15 AM |
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Yes It is a problem with HotA because their arbitral decisions dont fit to our gameplay style and we can nothing do with it. HotA is arbitral authors mod not a modding platform like era or vcmi. But it doesnt mean its crap or failed work! I ofcourse prefer open modding solutins. WoG options is perfectly solutions! You can play classic gameplay with new content or you can add solutions you like! Best option! But all can do what he wants! I can only help giving feedback than better is solution with option panel because our preferences can be completly depressing for others! Harm to lost players only for one od two our gameplay choices!
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted February 10, 2023 10:22 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 10:27, 10 Feb 2023.
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I'd love to read your take on Songs of Conquest. I find it interesting yet at the same time it doesn't quite get to me. Are you guys sharing your thoughts on the matter somewhere?
The discussion is in this thread I made and it is quite extensive, with debates in what works or not in SoC.
I think bottom line is, some people want multiplayer competitive repeatable experience, and those like SoC (and hota) a lot
And others want single player features and variety, and here the reception is much more lukewarm... (due not only to missing features, but even features that hota removes on purpose which work on regular heroes hd, like launcher scripts)
To me, the deliberate removal of features because it doesn't fit your """intended experience""" (TM?) is never excusable, it costs literally nothing to allow scripts to be loaded (older, now deleted versions of the launcher made this work flawlessly), and yet...
At least, SoC can say they never developed some features, instead of hota where the features are literally there and they just don't want to let the players use them.
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On the other hand, I'd like to know how hard it would be to have most "non-supported" scripts working on AH3M, given that it's mostly hex hack, I'd say as long as the base function wasn't deleted/moved it would work, no?
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portus
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 12, 2023 01:39 AM |
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16 pages! yep, definitely some thought sharing has been taking place. Thanks!
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted February 13, 2023 03:07 PM |
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You are welcome
BTW, there is something I do love about hota, though I'm not 100% certain its all theirs: Creature passive animations.
I mean, in the context of gameplay, one might argue that their existence is not all that good, since it can be distracting for the thinking about TBS combat. But H4 has creature idle animations too, and I can't help but be a sucker for animated sprites, sue me.
Anyways, my props to the artist/designer of that  (´possibly the dead guy, RIP)
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