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phoenix4ever
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posted August 24, 2024 05:21 PM |
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Poll Question:
Are the pyramids fair?
So in a pyramid the first hero to defeat the golems, will receive a level 5 spell, if he has a spell book and Expert Wisdom, otherwise the spell is wasted.
The hero can learn a useless spell like Magic Mirror or Sacrifice, but he can also learn Dimension Door, Fly or Implosion, which can be real game changers.
So my question is: Are the pyramids actually fair?
Bonus question: Does'nt magic heroes have an advantage when it comes to pyramids, since they usually start with Basic or Advanced Wisdom and can get Expert Wisdom pretty fast.
Might heroes take longer to learn Expert Wisdom, so a magic hero can probably snatch it before a might hero.
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Ghost
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posted August 24, 2024 05:33 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 17:33, 24 Aug 2024.
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I like the old pyramid gives level 1-5 spells.. I was always waiting for the town portal and DD.. I played RoE where was disabled Fear (spell) in pyramid, I tried in expansion, so spell changed Frenzy in different save games.. I researched.. Fear is level 4 of Earth, AlexSpl can tell you more.. Ok, but HotA.. I don't care..
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 24, 2024 05:36 PM |
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It is correct that in some versions you were able to learn Fear, even though it was disabled, but I don't think you were ever able to learn level 1-4 spells at the pyramids?
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Ghost
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posted August 24, 2024 05:43 PM |
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Level 5 in HotA.. Level 1-5 in Heroes 3 Complete.. I got a Cure, what a joke!
Ok I quote from thelazy
"A curious detail is, that in the versions 1.2 of Restoration of Erathia and 2.0 of Armageddon's Blade, a hero could receive a message that he has learned Fear spell from the pyramid. However, such spell cannot be found in the spell book. This anomaly was removed in the versions 1.3 and 2.1, respectively."
But I hate Fear, it ruined my life..
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 24, 2024 05:47 PM |
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Ghost said:
Level 1-5 in Heroes 3 Complete.. I got a Cure, what a joke!
Are you sure about that?, I still only remember getting level 5 spells here.
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Ghost
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posted August 24, 2024 05:52 PM |
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Yes 
I remember some HC'er said Cure is bug.. Is also a Town Portal bug? I don't think so..
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bloodsucker
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posted August 24, 2024 09:59 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Might heroes take longer to learn Expert Wisdom, so a magic hero can probably snatch it before a might hero.
Ok, this is probably true but what I was going to say: pyramids should be at least as hard as a medium utopia, since the reward is huge", would possibly change that.
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phoenix4ever
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posted August 24, 2024 10:25 PM |
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I don't consider the reward huge, if you get Magic Mirror or if you beat it without having enough Wisdom and get nothing.
If you get DD though...
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bloodsucker
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posted August 24, 2024 11:00 PM |
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Since a decent player can take it with a good stack of shooters and a fast unit to bait them... Yeah! It's huge and I wasn't thinking of crappy mods where TP doesn't allow you to return to where you're needed but Fly and DD are free for the taking.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 24, 2024 11:22 PM |
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What does TP have to do with anything?, it's a level 4 spell.
When you say "crappy mod" are you reffering to my mod? Actually I changed that a long time ago, TP is back to it's original unbelievably OP state. (All players have early access to a TP scroll though, so it's fair for everyone.)
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bloodsucker
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posted August 24, 2024 11:57 PM |
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Yes, it was your mod but I see you come to sense. Having to travel huge distances by foot or chain for weeks like in Heroes IV is just tedious not harder, specially if the AI has the same problem.
Now you just need to draw some quest blocks on your beloved map, to understand why Fly and DD are a "No, no".
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Phoenix4ever
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posted August 25, 2024 07:49 AM |
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So you are saying TP is okay, but DD and Fly are not for some reason?
If you remove DD and Fly, you will then need to take Water Magic, so you can use Water Walk instead and 3 classes can't learn Water Magic.
You will also need to take Pathfinding, since there is no Fly anymore.
So basically you don't need Air Magic anymore, but you need Water Magic and Pathfinding, is this what you wanted?...
Oh and btw. when TP only took me to nearest town, it still worked normally for the AI. I did it to make the game harder, but yeah it did end up becoming rather tedious, so I changed TP back to the best and most OP spell in the game.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 25, 2024 10:02 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
So you are saying TP is okay, but DD and Fly are not for some reason?
The reason being you can only return to what you have already conquered.
Specially in HotA, with the Scouting improvement and Scounting specialists, Fly and DD allow you sneak pass blocks and powerful heroes, and do whatever you want right under their beards. If you play with them and can't see what I mean, is cause your gameplay sucks...
And Yes, the main reason I take Air is View Air and I ALWAYS pick Water if I can. But I know how to fight AI.
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phoenix4ever
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posted August 25, 2024 10:39 AM |
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It is okay, we don't have to agree. 
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heymlich
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posted August 25, 2024 11:13 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Ghost said:
Level 1-5 in Heroes 3 Complete.. I got a Cure, what a joke!
Are you sure about that?, I still only remember getting level 5 spells here.
Same here. I don't think H3 complete has such a bug.
@fairness: If you're lucky, you can get something useful. There are several other ways to get it. There seems to be no issue?
It's basically the same gamble as building a lvl 5 mage guild - sometimes you get something useful, and sometimes not. You could say, it's worth 10 of each resource, just like a full cyclops stockpile.
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phoenix4ever
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posted August 25, 2024 12:11 PM |
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I guess you could say that, the issue is that pyramids can only teach a spell once, Mage Guilds does'nt stop working after one visit.
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Hourglass
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posted August 25, 2024 01:00 PM |
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They're a bit tricky to rate.
They're only generated in desert, making them quite rare, and often really hard to get into. I would say they're often not worth your time.
In original SoD, they're at their weakest. Pyramids and lvl 5 spell scrolls have the same RMG value, but despite the golems being quite free experience, I would take the scroll any day of the week instead.
In Hota the pyramids would be much, much more valuable. The normal lvl 5 scroll value has been doubled, while the value of control spells has been quadrupled. And in the current patch, DD cannot be gained after they've been researched in the normal mage guilds.
In practice thou, they're more or less a custom map object only for multiple reasons. And therefore the fairness is decided by the map maker instead.
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Ghost
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posted August 25, 2024 01:28 PM |
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I don't know why I must to write.. Yeah, I don't feel to play Illusion world 2 (RoE) where are a lot of pyramids, and I take images yet.. But I remember by heart.. 
Ok you meet a throng of golems in a pyramid in the WoG, for example.. If you are slow player.. When players know about pyramid.. So the race is tough, thus might heroes visit a pyramid without getting spell, or fooled might hero gives to magic hero.. Illusion world 2 gave examples already.. Author is from Belarus or USA.. Because of two the same maps, but different author names.. I know Belarus, when I played his all H3 and H4 maps, only one new HotA map, I don't played yet.. PRO!
Ok sorry 
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heymlich
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posted August 25, 2024 02:22 PM |
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Hourglass said:
I would say they're often not worth your time.
I think so, too. The main problem for me is, that I tend to pick wisdom late. At the time I can clear the pyramid, I simply don't have expert wisdom, and later I don't want to go back for just one spell, not even knowing if it will be useful.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 25, 2024 03:02 PM |
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heymlich said:
I don't want to go back for just one spell, not even knowing if it will be useful.
Save and take it with another hero, if it's good load and come back...
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