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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted August 02, 2002 01:39 PM |
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If you have the Shadow Town to between Chaos and Death you just move the problem.
Death town should no longer have a Chaos Guild but a Shadow Guild. Chaso town should no longer have a Death guild but a shadow guild.
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Darkspirit
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aka Zutus
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posted August 02, 2002 11:24 PM |
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and as Xenophanes showed us in the 'alignment-star' shadow will be opposed to life!!! Anyways there will be no new town in the expansion only a silly number of four neutral creatures... can't wait yiha! 
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Camelnor
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posted August 06, 2002 07:56 AM |
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Actually the star is not how xenophanes' proposed it, if you read underneath the picture...he should have probably included a picture of how he wants it to be to clear things up some.
But yes, if it is this way, it no longer goes life-order-death, it goes life-order-shadow... life is still death's opposite, but Order is no longer balancing life and death and Order isnt allied with Death either...
Also, you will hafto change/add a couple of the ward spells and ward artys... which isnt too hard really...
I dont see how it would affect so many of the maps and gameplay as Djive says... After all, only 1 thing is changing.
To keep the whole life-order-death thing, I propose this -
(wont work if i put [ img ] thingies around it)
http://homm.strategy-gaming.com/6towns.bmp
Its the best of both worlds I think, and also is fair because Might needs some allies, even if it's only 2 to everyone else's 3.
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Darkspirit
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aka Zutus
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posted August 06, 2002 12:44 PM |
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Sure, you can fix it that way too, but you'd need to place an extra library in the towns. But then nature and shadow will be hampered since they only have two libraries. How do you expect to let them benefit from their might-allience?
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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted August 06, 2002 02:06 PM |
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The star appears just about everywhere and anywhere.
For instance, the Tavern recruitment screen will need to be redone for the new alignment.
You need to add two new Basic Hero classes for the Shadow Town, and of course you need to animate these two new classes (4 animations total). You need new Hero bios for heroes that belong to them.
This will change tactics. In the Order Tavern, you no longer get Necromancers and Death Knights but heroes who start with other skills (the new Shadow Heroes). This will change tactics for both Order and Death faction.
Order has for example not access to Combat or Scouting heroes, but now they will perhaps get it in the expansion but not the base product.
Death stands to lose access to Nobility Hero, and could gain access to Combat.
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Camelnor
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Also known as Blue Camel
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posted August 06, 2002 07:25 PM |
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Well if you do it the way proposed in my pic, death and order don't lose their link. (which i think is the only flaw in xenophanes idea, which by the way i think is a pretty good one just needs some tweaking)
Djive, you are harping(yes, I love using HoMM puns) on the fact that this will require too much work to go into the current expansion. Of course. But remember, they promised 2 Expansions for HoMM4...
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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted August 06, 2002 08:44 PM |
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Edited By: Djive on 6 Aug 2002
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Yes, I might be harping but my general feeling on this matter is that a part of the reason they constructed it this way is that they wouldn't even need to bother consider a new town within the pentagram.
Because, it's too much work, changes game-play and so on.
Anyway, keep posting. There's a heroes 5 in progress and ideas are needed for it alo. My wish would be to make the towns more flexible and not so hardly tied to each other as is the case in Heroes 4.
More job:
12 new animations total (4 for heroes, 8 for creatures)
A bunch of new Hero portraits and bios for heroes.
A new magic school full of unique spells.
Playtesting the new town for balance.
Re-testing all towns for balance.
Please compare this with what the expansion pack contains. I'd say this includes a lot more work.
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Camelnor
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posted August 06, 2002 10:54 PM |
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You keep saying that it would require a lot of work, yet you havent ever mentioned this "lot of work" all you've mentioned is the mage guilds and the taverns.
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Grythandril
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who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted August 07, 2002 04:12 PM |
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It seems that i have made a mistake with the Shadow Towm.
Although i wished for a Shadow Town as the opposite for Nature i made the mistake of trying to put Shadow in between Death and Chaos. This was wrong because of the alignment structure.
If i had went this way then in the Chaos Town the mage guilds would have been Nature, Chaos and Death. This is wrong because the opposite of Nature and Shadow.
Therefor it should be between Order and Death so the alignment of Shadow and Nature be far apart as shown below:
ORDER
LIFE SHADOW
MIGHT
NATURE DEATH
CHAOS
That way all the alignments are at their opposites.
Not what i envisioned, but it looks right.
It may cause a few hiccups in the system but at least the alignments is right.
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Largo_LeGrande
Promising
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from the Carribean
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posted August 16, 2002 12:28 PM |
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Hey, what about my idea? That we don't need new alignments for new towns?
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Djive
Honorable
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Zapper of Toads
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posted August 16, 2002 01:08 PM |
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Hey, what about my idea? That we don't need new alignments for new towns?
You may be better off posting it to ThE_HyDrA's alignment thread in Lands of Axeoth.
I posted something similar there. Why have alignmetns at all, it seems impossible to make everyone happy using them? So I suggested just to have colours, one colour associated to each town type.
The colours then have a penalty to mixing.
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Grythandril
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posted August 17, 2002 12:11 AM |
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what type of spells would be associated with colours?
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Djive
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posted August 17, 2002 01:04 PM |
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Quote:
what type of spells would be associated with colours?
You can assign them any way you like.
To take a Heroes 4 example. In heroes 4 "blue" spells are the spells that are native to the Academy town.
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Grythandril
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who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted August 18, 2002 03:35 PM |
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But you would have to assign names for the colours
ie the blue spells would = Order
So were are back to square one about the alignments, unless you mean keep the colurs associated to the spells and the title and knock out the alignments altogether.
So each castle would have a colour to indicate the title of the spells being used
Right?
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Djive
Honorable
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Zapper of Toads
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posted August 18, 2002 05:14 PM |
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But you would have to assign names for the colours
No.
That's the point. You don't assign an alignment related name to the colour. You just make a connection between the name of the town and the colour.
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Grythandril
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who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted August 19, 2002 04:11 PM |
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Can you explain this in a bit more detail as I am getting a bit confused here.
Ta.
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Ghost_of_Lor...
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The first Holy Ghost
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posted August 19, 2002 05:49 PM |
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Shodow Magic? Please, all you 3do people, don't listen to him, because obviously the REAL opposite is: UN-Naturale (no offence but I think that idea is dumb).
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Darkspirit
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aka Zutus
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posted August 19, 2002 06:33 PM |
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or, an evil version of nature, with creatures keeping themselves away from the light and into the shadow  (drows, spiders,...)
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Darion
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Famous Hero
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posted August 20, 2002 05:06 AM |
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Un-Natural.. dark forests!
Goblin- Walker
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Gnome- Shooter, Concealment in grasslands
Dendroids- Shooter, Ensnare strike (no melee penalty)
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Werewolves- Walker, Rabies attack, Double strike
Drider- Walker, poison attack, ensnare attack
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Wyverns- Flyer, poison attack
Dark Pegasi- Flying spell inhibitor... perhaps Nature ward?
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Baskilisks- Walking, Death Gaze, First Strike
(Here we go again... !!)
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Grythandril
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who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted August 20, 2002 04:10 PM |
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Shadow Magic is the darker side of Nature Magic.
It would deal with the opposite of nature. All creatures that are mutated or genetically altered. That waould be classed as an abhorence to nature.
Magic that warps and twisted the fabric of Nature.
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