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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 30, 2007 05:35 PM |
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Edited by Ecoris at 13:03, 01 Feb 2007.
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Yes. Looking into other peoples numbers can be quite difficult, you did a good work Don.
I don't hope anyone is left confused now?
Edit 1. Feb. 2007: One last correction
Maphela was level 88 and:
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Armorer special skill at this level would be 30% * (1 + 0.05 * 88) = 162%. Obviously, there must be some cutoff here as well and that is 81%. Mephala would have reached this at level 34 already 30% * (1 + 0.05 * 34) = 81%.
But expert armorer gives a 15% damage reduction not 30%. There is no cutoff for armorer specialists. Correct calculation would have been:
Armorer special skill at this level would be 15% * (1 + 0.05 * 88) = 81%.
Or just half of 162%.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted February 01, 2007 02:10 PM |
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You guys never let it rest!  I'm impressed though.
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light_knight
Adventuring Hero
Paladin of the Peace.
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posted March 27, 2007 05:13 PM |
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In HoMM3, which is better: stone skin or shield? Unskilled, basic, advanced and expert - is one of them _always_ better?
Stone Skin, Because works ever to ranged and melee attacks and is more cheap.
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Demarest
Known Hero
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posted March 27, 2007 07:16 PM |
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Edited by Demarest at 19:17, 27 Mar 2007.
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Not sure what you mean by more cheap; Stone Skin and Shield always have the same casting cost. If a hero gets Basic Earth, both spells' casting costs are reduced the same.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted March 27, 2007 08:11 PM |
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Stone skin also raises the effect of frenzy, while shield doesn't.
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted May 02, 2007 12:22 AM |
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After all is said, I bring here one of my statements for Heroes 2 and say again: the most efficient KILLER in the game is a single peasant, who does maximum damage no matter what. 
No kidding now, excellent work guys!
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sachelos
Known Hero
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posted September 26, 2007 06:46 PM |
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Stone skin also raises the effect of frenzy, while shield doesn't.
Nice idea angel, never thought of it damn..
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EliteLeader
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 27, 2007 08:47 PM |
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After all is said, I bring here one of my statements for Heroes 2 and say again: the most efficient KILLER in the game is a single peasant, who does maximum damage no matter what.
No kidding now, excellent work guys!
lol angels/archangels always do 50 damage...
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disciple
Hired Hero
The Utopian Doctor
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posted September 28, 2007 01:06 PM |
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Edited by disciple at 13:10, 28 Sep 2007.
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Quote:
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After all is said, I bring here one of my statements for Heroes 2 and say again: the most efficient KILLER in the game is a single peasant, who does maximum damage no matter what.
No kidding now, excellent work guys!
lol angels/archangels always do 50 damage...
not true, their damage is dependant on attack and defense skills, whereas the peasant HAS to hit at least 1 damage, its maximum damage. often angels hit more than 50 per angel against monsters, and less against opposing heroes.
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also, angels/archangels are in H3 not H2
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted January 16, 2008 02:26 PM |
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Thanks for your help, Disciple! 
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thinkminiq
Adventuring Hero
Hero of the Miniq
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posted January 17, 2008 10:15 PM |
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AlkarRahn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Divine Arcanist
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posted January 17, 2008 10:24 PM |
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I'd rather have stone skin over shield. Even if I like air over earth.
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sandronecro
Known Hero
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posted January 17, 2008 10:26 PM |
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I like shield better, because if you're up against an ancient behemoth, increase your own defence wouldn't do much good, and shield can decrease the enemy's damage and it's much more effective.
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thinkminiq
Adventuring Hero
Hero of the Miniq
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posted January 17, 2008 10:31 PM |
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I like shield better, because if you're up against an ancient behemoth, increase your own defence wouldn't do much good, and shield can decrease the enemy's damage and it's much more effective.
but shield only works ranged attacks not melee and behemoth attack is not decrease by the shield
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 17, 2008 11:06 PM |
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but shield only works ranged attacks not melee and behemoth attack is not decrease by the shield
It's the other way round; shield reduces melee damage, not ranged damage.
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thinkminiq
Adventuring Hero
Hero of the Miniq
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posted January 18, 2008 08:03 PM |
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Upsss sorry for all I confused
In H2 Shield spell is "Halves damage recived from ranged attacks"
and H3 Shield spell is "reduces damage hand to hand attack"
But i answer is still Stoneskin is more useful than Shield H2 and H3
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Oo-Ironwill-oO
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 31, 2008 09:14 AM |
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But what you have to know is a lvl 20 armorer specialist gains absolutely no extra defense from casting shield expert. Somehow, % of damage taken off is limited to a specific number. So once you reach 30%, forget about shield.
- Frank
PS Before argueing... test it for yourselves !
FRANK! wassabi  Just wanted to correct you on your post.. Level 20 armorer specialists do gain benefit... there is no normal limit on armor spec combined with the spell SHIELD. I always knew this to be the case long ago, but I felt I needed to test it to make sure I was right before posting a correction. Using Tazar with 18 def level 21 armor spec vs Dessa (no offense) 18 attack, I used single Archangels for the test. First hit by Dessa against evenly matched att/def ratio yielded a 34 damage hit, then I mass shielded tazar... on Dessa's second hit yielded 24 damage (roughly 30% reduction). I even did this test with a lopsided Dessa 8 attack vs Tazar 28 defense at same level 21 armor spec and I gained benefit from BOTH stoneskin AND shield thus showing that spells will always add a reduction to whatever BASE defensive differences exist.
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Ranger
Known Hero
The Forest Knight
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posted July 31, 2008 11:37 AM |
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Stoneskin reduces damage from all attacks (ranged,melee) shield reducing only damage from melee attacks. Stoneskin is more useful but shield reducing more damage. Stoneskin and shield have the same power i think
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Hell_Wizard
Famous Hero
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posted August 20, 2008 05:24 PM |
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The tings are too simple:
1. If you face an army or neutral group of melee units - better to cast Shield
2. If you meet an Entire army of both melee and ranged units - stoneskin
(I count Dragons as melee in this post)
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Vexon
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 22, 2008 11:45 AM |
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I dunno, HW, Stone Skin overall is a pretty crappy spell when you start getting into larger armies (unless those armies consist of low-tiered creatures). I think if it's a hero army that relies largely on ranged attacks, you should be in favor of Air Shield over Stone Skin, and still casting Shield as a secondary protection if you can spare a turn (or as second primary if their army is well-balanced).
Sure, you'd need both Expert Earth Magic and Expert Wind Magic, but if you've got a Magic hero, you ought to have more than one school anyway. With Might heroes, granted, I often go for Earth alone for the defensive boosts, but I think if we're discussing defensive properties with spells it's best to assume we're doing it right.
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