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bizud
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posted October 25, 2002 10:24 AM |
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Umm...yeah, well, what's your problem? Iraq never did squat to you!
How can you possibly justify the taking of millions of innocent lives based on the actions of their government?
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Wolfman
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posted October 25, 2002 04:15 PM |
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The government needs to be killed, I didn't say all the people of the country.
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Mad_Unicorn
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posted October 26, 2002 03:18 AM |
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I can justify many things ...
To justify this i say those who are staying there are supporters of his regime those who wish to leave but cant do to family members being supporters thats tough potatoes. Those that are being forced by forcefull means to stay there then I do feel sorry for you.
I dont believe in innocent people unless you are a new born and if u can read this (very gifted) i am sorry.
phooey lost my friggen thought again .... I HATE hearing soaps in the background.
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bizud
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posted October 26, 2002 04:43 AM |
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Wow, dude, that's pretty sick. I mean, first of all, I don't support the current Canadian government, but I'm still here. So, do you think that everyone who didn't vote for George Bush and doesn't like him should leave America?
Second, we could debate the quirks and whatnots of "innocence" until the end of time, but that doesn't justify murder.
I mean, really? What did the people of Iraq ever do to you?
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Wolfman
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posted October 28, 2002 11:40 PM |
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They screwed up my life! My dad couldn't retire from the Air Force because of him and other scum like him! When I lived in Greece we had to worry about him launching missles at us just because it was a U.S. air base.
[Sarcastic]
And worst of all...there was no cartoons on during the Gulf War. A little kid needs cartoons!
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bizud
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posted October 29, 2002 04:42 AM |
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Um, I'm not one to cause psychological damage induced by suddenly having no-one to hate and blame for all your childhood troubles, but last time I checked, the U.S. went to war with Iraq, not the other way around.
Blaming Saddam Hussein for the gulf war is kind of lame, in that the U.S. could have just, oh, I dunno, minded their own affairs? The person you SHOULD be angry at is George Bush Sr.
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posted October 29, 2002 06:24 AM |
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"Blaming Saddam Hussein for the gulf war is kind of lame'
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privatehudson
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posted October 29, 2002 11:03 AM |
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America and her allies were at fault for the gulf war then presumably?
Well partially, but Sadam is no innocent, and he did invade kuwait. No-one held a gun to his head and forced him into doing that did they?
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posted October 29, 2002 11:28 PM |
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The U.N. was created to stop crazy people like him after WWII. So it might as well been Saddam who attaked. It's not like he didn't provoke the war.
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dArGOn
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posted October 30, 2002 07:57 AM |
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Blaming Hitler for WWII is kind of lame LOL
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zonekill
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posted October 30, 2002 12:26 PM |
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Why don't make the UN a resolution to attack the USA?
1. No great proofs needed that the USA posses ABC weapons. Even more then Iraq has.
2. Double U Bush jr. is a dictator, cause he clearly dictates the world what to do, what is good and what not
The point is: it's not that hard to interpret facts, you can easy find some good arguments to proove everything and at the end to misinterpretate.
And it is easy to send army to a country and let people die. In particular when it's not you who has to go there and die.
I don't think there is a reason to attack Iraq. Sadam is not a danger for the world now or will be in the future. All he wants is to live long and prosper from the power he has. He can scream as loud as he is able to that he's ready for the war, that he's not afraid. But like most people on this earth he wants to live and he's clever enough to know he'll die in the case of a war.
The world is not afraid of his ABC weapons, beacuse he won't use them. A factor that would change the world communities mind would be the presence of terrorists in Iraq. I've never seen any proofs that they're in Iraq right now. And there won't be any. Sadam knows the concequences of presence of terrorists on the iraq soil, so he simply couldn't allow them to settle them down. There are no terrorist (with the knowlege of Sadam) in Iraq.
Mao Tse Tsung had to die, Stalin had say goodbye to let the ice melt in the China/UssR regimes. Mayby those changes were not that big. But step after step, after a natural death uf Hussajin, under the pressure of the world community (Iraq is not that big and powerfull like China or UssR) it will be possible to make the life of iraqi ppl easier. Beasuse it's them who're the most important factor in this case. It's them who'll suffer mostly in the case of a war. People who wants to live like me and you. Ask them: is it better to live in a regime or die? Beuse it will be thousands of dead in iraqi army and civil vistims. And a ruined land. The symbol that keeps that regime together - Sadam - has to die. It will took some years. I can't help.
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dArGOn
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posted October 31, 2002 07:37 AM |
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"Double U Bush jr. is a dictator, cause he clearly dictates the world what to do, what is good and what not"
First of all....please read up...Bush is not a "jr.". and by "double U" I take it you mean "W".
Second I think it is interesting how you claim a leaders duty to protect his country and his right to freedom of speech makes him a dictator.
Also Words have meaning...when you abuse a word such as "dictator" in such a abhorrent manner you devalue the horrific nature that the word means, and belittle the sad and very real experience people have had to endure under real dictatorships.
Third "dictates the world what to do"...hmmm hard pressed to find evidence of that....do you mean that, unknown to me,...Bush is forcing taxes upon the world? Or do you mean that you have inside knowledge that he actually is forcing other nations to kill Saddam? Just not quite clear on your point.
I think Bush made it quite clear...if the UN won't act....we will....would seem like a dictator would instead force the UN to act and kill them all if they don't?
Lastly, you can make your points without sinking to the low level of USA bashing.
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posted October 31, 2002 09:58 PM |
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This has probably been brought up before, but forgive me, since I had no desire to read the previous 17 pages of posts before donating my $0.02.
Anyway, isn't that interesting that the "axis of evil" where the Iraq belongs to, consists of countries who have lots of oil in their soil. I would call this the oil war instead of "war against terrorism" which it is not. Besides, Russia, which has commited more crimes that the axis countries together, does not belong to the group. This is so amusing. No, it is rediculous.
Anyway, as for the Iraq, USA seems to be blind to the peaceful options offered by the EU. Instead, it insists on using his ridiculous terms that Iraq will never give in to. USA is basically trying to occupy Iraq and claim its oil resources in order to sustain its petroleum-fuelled economy. This is more than obvious.
I personally like USA and its people, but I find the government and, most of all, its foreign policy, despickable.
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IYY
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posted October 31, 2002 10:08 PM |
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I agree that it is a war for oil and nothing more: if it wasn't Israel would have had a lot more support. But I am not sure which crimes are you talking about regarding Russia. I don't believe it has done more crimes than the US. And why would it belong to that group? It is also being under terrorist attacks!
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posted October 31, 2002 10:31 PM |
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I agree that it is a war for oil and nothing more: if it wasn't Israel would have had a lot more support. But I am not sure which crimes are you talking about regarding Russia. I don't believe it has done more crimes than the US. And why would it belong to that group? It is also being under terrorist attacks!
I live in Estonia - a country that had been unjustly occupied by our eastern neighbour for several hundred years in the past, and 50 years in the 20.th century. Believe me, I know what I am talking about and Russia is the worst kind of a neighbour a country can have. Thank the god I don't believe in that we re-gained our freedom 11 years ago.
I believe that the Americans have a saying: rather dead than red....
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posted October 31, 2002 10:56 PM |
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I don't even think that Americans are saying that anymore. And I don't know about your country and it's unjust occupation, so I can't say, but I have this feeling that "unjust" is not exactly what you claim it to be, and as for it being the worst neighbour... Well, it's quite obvious that you know very little of how bad neighbours can be.
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posted October 31, 2002 11:32 PM |
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Hmmmmmm
First off there are more reasons for being anti israel than oil, though I do agree that is the main reason for arab support.
As for russia and it's crimes.........
Warsaw 1944: The russians sat by and watched as the polish tried to liberate their capital from german control. Instead of supporting them and freeing the capital they allowed the germans to smash the resistance and in doing so kill thousands of innocent civilians. The russians did this largely because they did not want the poles to take heart from liberating their capital and use this stregnth as the basis for self rule.
The Post war era:
The crushing of rebellions in Hungary, Czechoslavakia and poland all involved the basic denial of human rights and free will. The treatment of german prisoners in the immediate aftermath of the war was brutal and insane. Many did not return from their imprisonment and those that did usually did so in the mid 1950's. Many ethnic minorities that lived under the russian empire that had fought with hitler against stalin in WWII were killed or dissapeared, including entire divisions of troops captured in the west and later turned over willingly to stalin. Some of these troops included people's from baltic states like estonia or others such as cossacks from modern day ukraine.
Eastern germany and the occupied countries like poland were either stripped of some of their industry or in the case of germany the rebuilding that occurred in the west simply did not happen in the east.
That's just a small sample of the crimes russia has committed. I could do that for any country of europe pretty much (inc my own), but as Russia was the issue, I thought I'd stay with that for now 
As for the worst neighbour, well that's down to individual perspective. If you lived in Ireland in 1890 the world's worst neighbour is Britain. Today you think of arab/Islamic nations as bad due to their actions against you and your people. All that FB is saying is that he and his people have suffered terribly under russian control and because of that he considers them to be terrible neighbours. You come under attack from terrorism, they have come under attack from organised and efficent killing machines and a government determined to deny them their basic rights as people. I don't think you can call either worse than the other.
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HeyYou
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posted October 31, 2002 11:47 PM |
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On neighbors . . .
Canada's not such a bad neighbor.
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csarmi
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posted October 31, 2002 11:55 PM |
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Oh, that's fine. USA is saved! :-)
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posted November 01, 2002 01:30 AM |
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PH, I don't deny those things you are saying. But as you said - you can make a list like that for every country, nothing special about Russia at that.
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