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Yes, we do have freedom of speech, but some things just shouldn't be said. As the saying goes "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".
Very interesting, Wolfman. Please tell us, who has the legitimation to decide what should be said and what shouldn´t?
As I said before: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
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posted April 05, 2003 05:47 AM |
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No I don't FIREOFTRUTH...anyway...Bush is nothing like Hitler. Maybe if you think like that you should read up on him, Hitler that is.
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Hitler was an aspiring artist till he got lost in his own total purification attitude. Bush... isn't creative so i guess thats a major difference i see.
arg i have no focus i know i had a point... hmph
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posted April 05, 2003 07:30 AM |
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Lews Therin --
The most intimidating description I heard was some sort of airplane technology involving a crop-dusting type arrangement. I also keep hearing some huge figure being reiterated around here for some unfathomably large quantity of some extremely deadly chemical Saddam refused to account for during the inspections. These two facts are probably the most significant fact that those around me who are pro-war are all fired up about around here.
You will have to let me et back to you on the details of all this, but to my recolletction there was some observartion of a testing process using this airplane technology to spread some questionable substance going on in or near Iraq recently...
Sorry to be so vague. I must check my sources.
My response to this however, has been: how does he get it all the way over here?? These people roll their eyes when I ask questions like this, but it sure seems to me that everybody, on both sides, is engaging in some pretty premature, judgemental eye-rolling lately...(Personally I suspect that a large part of the motivation behind this war, if it is to protect anybody, it would be Israel...)
Wolfman --
I certainly hope you don't FIREOFTRUTH either...
 
Mad Unicorn -- LOL!!!
It IS quite difficult to imagine Bush riding a horse through a Vaughnerian opera with Brunhilda breasts and a long spear, now isn't it?
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It IS quite difficult to imagine Bush riding a horse through a Vaughnerian opera with Brunhilda breasts and a long spear, now isn't it?
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This from BBC and other news sources:
“A woman who appeared clearly to be pregnant exited the vehicle screaming for assistance, in some degree of distress. As coalition forces began to approach, she and the vehicle were detonated. So, she was killed by the explosion from the vehicle.
Other officials said later that three coalition soldiers died along with the woman and the car's driver, and two other soldiers were injured.”
The way I understand the story….these brutal forces of Saddam used pregnancy… the ultimate essence of life…the very sanctity of life…to kill others….how deplorable and sad!
The soldiers saw a woman who was to bear an innocent child….in distress…it struck a chord to the very depth of their souls as it would any of us. The coalition forces chose to
set aside their own safety and all safety protocols to help a pregnant woman…what else could a human do but reach out to a pregnant woman in distress.
Then the viper struck…struck with a venom that we have yet to fully comprehend in our civilized society….our heads whirl in shock at this animalistic barbarianism. To turn goodness into evil in this manner is contemptable to the highest degree.
That Saddam and his thugs would use such a tactic is beyond reproach. To use one’s sense of kindness, of humanity, of foundational decency, of care for another human being as a source to perpetuate terrorism and destruction throws the civilized world upon its head. To turn the basic decency of humanity against others is horrific. I am breathless to think about how low Saddam can go.
Will this finally wake the slumbering giants who have been appeasing Saddam in this thread. Or will it yet prove another example for them to minimize? Will this be rationalized as “a common tactic in warfare”? I would hope not!
I would hope this situation will finally arouse the sense of justice…of basic humanity in the posters here and in the world to see the rightness of the regime change… moreover the dire need for immediate regime change.
Any regime that employs such brutal and deceptive crimes against humanity must be replaced…it would be a crime against humanity to let this type of behavior continue unchallenged!
I will be curious to hear PH, Lews, and other appeasers respond to this atrocity.
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Dargon it is true that the iraqi regime isn't a decomcratic or atleast allows some sort of freedom and should be repalced, but o you think that it makes sence to waste lives of so many soldiers,of many who don't even know what they are fughting for?And there are also civilian casualties. But for a quick note in history Saddam was helped into his spot by the US. He overthrew a communist regime with the support of the american goverment and din't something similair in Afghanistan?
So it doesn't seem right to vilanize someone who you helped accend?
The the US wonders why these goverments disslike or hate it. They were promissed help and support but the ygot scrwed in the end.
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Smisek you started out your post very well with a different and unique perspective. Then it went downhill fast from there.
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”2. bush won the election by cheating, just simply was appointed by supreme cort, meaning he got there more friends then gore did”
Hmmm you say Americans are uneducated. Lets see…the supreme court has to decide on legal issues…would you prefer a flip of the coin. Moreover in 3…count that 3 official recounts Bush won Florida. Add to that another 1-2 done by the media afterwards again showed that Bush won. So education is a great thing my friend.
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“3. iraq was long time aly of usa and you gave him chemical and biological weapons and now you are complaining ?”
Yawn. This is such a antiquated myth…I usually only hear it from the uninformed. The USA never gave any chemical or biological weapons to Iraq. Never. We did give Saddam some samples of a few biologic agents so as he could gain medical knowledge in how to resist chemical attack if Iran ever used it. I challenge you to ever prove that we handed over chemical weapons…since it never happened.
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“4. he does not give a F*** about needs and problems of regular us citizien, he rather cares for big companies and for those who brough him to power.”
Double yawn…can’t you come up with something more original and more based in reality then that?
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“I'd just like to add here that when watching ITN yesterday they mentioned that the americans had claimed to be fighting around Sadam airport near bagdhad. When they asked their reporters for confirmation of this some time later, the reporter said that there had been no americans seen there at all, and that the Iraquis were lounging around unconcerned at the apparent "closeness" of all these americans. Misinformation is not purely Iraqui either.”
Hmm then I wonder how coalition forces captured the airport today…hehe. But I see by your edit you realize the mistake that the “reporters” obviously made.
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“I have no idea which party most of your presidents belonged to”
You should know everything about the parties…didn’t you read that article I wrote for you for the HC newsletter I submitted to ya
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“And there is neither evidence for Saddam having WMD, nor for his contacts to terrorists.”
1. He has WMD that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Even today samples of the river in Iraq found mustard gas. Not to mention all the tons of intelligence reports that indicate such. Lastly they will be found and then I hope you will retract your statement.
2. Saddam’s international terrorism is documented ad nauseum (sending out his own terrorists after gulf war, Palestine, currently in Iraq paying for suicide bombers, etc). I will give you the benefit of the doubt and take it that you meant his connection to Al Qaeda. Little bit of logic here….All Al Qaeda are terrorists, but not all terrorists are Al Qaeda.
3. His links to Al Qaeda are very strong from intelligence reports. He even provided training for them. Now the link that is weak is if he had a connection to 9/11 which most likely he was not involved directly in its planning.
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“So according to Dargon, I can come to the conclusion that Hitler and Bush are almost completely identical.”
I got to give you credit for comic relief…those analogies are pathetic. Did you get that list from Iraq’s minister of information…roflol. You almost had me fooled in the other post when you started using logic terms such as “strawman”. Granted you misused the term, but I was impressed that maybe you had been taking some courses in logic. After that list you (or the Iraqi minister of information) composed I will have to conclude that you missed any courses in logic.
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“had a 70 year old man conservative as hell come up and tell me the same thing because i had a t-shirt that said "Bush is not my president" all of the sudden he wants to be smart but I just told him to shut the fuk up in front of everybody in the restaurant”
You are so cool…can I be you…you are my idol
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“First of all, we have seen quite a lot of misinformation (as you´ve rightly pointed out from both sides), and as such a piece of evidence is extremely important for the Bush administration, I very much expect that they find such weapons - one way or the other.”
Ah as I have thought. Lews will reject all reality and claim it is but a government cover-up. Once again no reasoning with people who take such a view. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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“Even if B or C weapons are found, I´d also like to see the device that is able to carry them all the way to America.”
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Dargon:
You expect me to say what exactly? Is that right, no, clearly no argument there assuming it's been reported right (links would have been nice for those non-news watchers, just a hint). Is it any better than some of the crimes we let civilised nations escape with? No. Does this mean that the crime is justified? no.
If you want me to justify it then no, there's no justification for that kind of tactic. But once again we act as biased as usual, ignoring the dreadful tactics of others and even supporting them...... So whilst no-one would justify that tactic, there's also no justification for many of the tactics of other countries/armies that you yourself or others ever show any hint of being bothered by.
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Will this finally wake the slumbering giants who have been appeasing Saddam in this thread
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of basic humanity in the posters here and in the world to see the rightness of the regime change
Relevant if I was against regime change, when I last checked I was not.
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Any regime that employs such brutal and deceptive crimes against humanity must be replaced…
So tell me, when is your agenda for invading nations like:
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
Iran
China
Russia
Zimbabwe
And many others? Yeah, thought not.
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Moreover in 3…count that 3 official recounts Bush won Florida.
Hardly suprising, isn't his brother governor there or something?
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We did give Saddam some samples of a few biologic agents so as he could gain medical knowledge in how to resist chemical attack if Iran ever used it.
Let me just remind you of something I did catch whilst in greece. Those mobile food testing laboratories that caused so much trouble before the invasion? The ones the Anglo/Americans claimed could be used to build chemical weapons? Guess who sold them those then? Yup, a BRITISH company after the gulf war, with full knowledge of the sale going to the UK government.......
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Hmm then I wonder how coalition forces captured the airport today…hehe. But I see by your edit you realize the mistake that the “reporters” obviously made.
Uhmm no, the time of the report was made a day before the fall of the airport, not the day of the fall. Before the americans arrived there, hence the 2 day comment, the airport fell the day (and night before) I wrote that 2 day bit.
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posted April 05, 2003 05:56 PM |
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Well. I HOPE he thought not... The way some people around here talk, Iraq may be the first of many...
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Arrrrrrrrrgh.
I`ve just spent past week reading this .. thing.I`m overwhelmed to say the least.I`ll join the debare soon hopefully.
Lews and dargon what do tou do for living if its no secret.
A liitle joke ,maybe you`ve heard it all before, but just the same:
Mr. Blair next on your schedule is meeting with the Pope and George W. Bush , whome will you meet first?
Well, Pope of course, i have to kiss him in hands only.
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PH you forgot 3 countries to your list : Germany, France and Russia.
But you can see a model in the vilans...between 1949-1991 it were communists of all sorts that were on the bad list for the US goverment(except maybee for one or two administrations.
Now it is Middle Easteners...after putting Iran and Iraq in his axis of evil, not only did bush learn of three new countries, but he also made his word into the middle eastern society...and Support the effort of the palestinians to acheive their own and rightful state doesn't help either...
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Arrrrrrrrrgh.
I`ve just spent past week reading this .. thing.I`m overwhelmed to say the least.I`ll join the debare soon hopefully.
And I salute you for being possibly the only person who is bothering to read past posts before piping up.
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Smisek you started out your post very well with a different and unique perspective. Then it went downhill fast from there.
that is your point of view,does it mean that as far as I say america is best I am doing very well and when I go the other way I am going fast downhill ? interesting
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”2. bush won the election by cheating, just simply was appointed by supreme cort, meaning he got there more friends then gore did”
Hmmm you say Americans are uneducated. Lets see…the supreme court has to decide on legal issues…would you prefer a flip of the coin. Moreover in 3…count that 3 official recounts Bush won Florida. Add to that another 1-2 done by the media afterwards again showed that Bush won. So education is a great thing my friend.
well how about this, bush's cousin ?(not sure, however some1 from close family, you have to excuse that I am not that well educated, I still think i have 10times more knowledge about usa then you or most americans have about all europian countries combined, but lets not get into personal insults, shall we), would you care to tell us all how many of those judges were republicans and how many were democrats ? I am sure its "irrelevant", but just to know  ) also do you know any other country in which the person who gets LESS votes from regular people is the winner ? so much for your great voting system
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“3. iraq was long time aly of usa and you gave him chemical and biological weapons and now you are complaining ?”
Yawn. This is such a antiquated myth…I usually only hear it from the uninformed. The USA never gave any chemical or biological weapons to Iraq. Never. We did give Saddam some samples of a few biologic agents so as he could gain medical knowledge in how to resist chemical attack if Iran ever used it. I challenge you to ever prove that we handed over chemical weapons…since it never happened.
let me give you history lesson, SSSR was supporting Iran, big time, trying to get comunism into all countries in middle east and that usa did not like at all so you started supported iraq, now how do u think u supported him ? in UN ? lol, thats not how it works, you support the country with money and weapons, usa goverment GAVE iraq the biological and chemical weapons, prove it ? hardly, how do I prove you that you dropped 2 nukes on japan ? I do not have access to that kind of documents, as I do not have access to the documents about iraq, would it be too much to assume those kinds of things are classified as top secret ? especially now ? you can call it part of common knowledge, us goverment NEVER denied it, is not it enough ? you are always very swift in denying all kinds of informations, why not this ones ? when iraq used those weapons on kurds your dam goverment did not do ANYTHING !!! why you did not do anything at that time, peacekeepers ??? so all you should do now is just shut up and live with it
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“4. he does not give a F*** about needs and problems of regular us citizien, he rather cares for big companies and for those who brough him to power.”
Double yawn…can’t you come up with something more original and more based in reality then that?
how would you describe your:
education system
health care
socila security
overall economy
(use scale 1-10 1 is best, looking forward to see it, feel free to prove your words with some hard evidence-e.g numbers)
now let me add few things, about how your democratic media inform, 1st you already captured at least 3 iraqi's general but then later all turned out to be some low lvl soldier, what a nice propagnda, you already discovered at least 4 times some chemical weapons, but always it was something else, you stupid idiots, if you do not know what u find then dont say anything in news unless you are sure, whole world is laughing at you, soldier was rescued, she was shot, another report she was not shot, another report she was shot.. lol ? what is this ? get your snow together, I dont care when cnn, fox, nbc etc broadcast propaganda in usa, us people are easyly influenced by this crap, but dont even try present those "breaking news lol" to others, as nobody believes saddam and his propaganda nobody believes your cnn, so tell me, my proud american, I am sure you are true patriot, are not you ? what country will be next ? who was yesterday enemy, today is friend and will become new enemy tomorrow ?
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Thank you for your reply dArGOn. I agree with you more than you may think. It makes sense that misinformation can be due to the ‘fluidity’ of war or to using the same words in a different meaning. I also recognize that the guessing of media to what really happens may be a source of misinformation. I can even give you some more examples of when the media fails, but that doesn’t seem to be the point on which our opinions differ. What we do seem to disagree upon is the following.
I say that besides the misinformation that we receive from the media as explained above, we also receive misinformation from the Bush government. And I claim that these lies are spread intentionally to manipulate us. As proof for this I told about ‘the Powell media show’ as Lews called it and asked for your opinion about it. You answered the following: I remember hearing about the story a while back, but unfortunately I didn’t bookmark the website that both were pro and against. But one thing I do think I recall is that nothing reported was false…or are you saying that this alleged paper from a student contained lies?.
So once again I followed your advice to do some investigation on the matter before saying something stupid and I came up with this site that contains over 50 articles of recognized papers about the subject. So I think that I can now support my claim with sufficient data. This is the complete picture that these sources describe:
1. One of Powell’s most important piece of evidence against Iraq was allegedly handed over by Blair’s intelligence sources.
2. In fact a large part of the document was almost directly ripped from a college student’s work.
3. This student was called Ibrahim al-Marashi, a postgraduate of the Monterey Institute of International Studies.
4. Ibrahim was not asked permission to publice his work, therefore we could speak of plagiarism.
5. Even the spelling mistakes were literally copied.
6. Ibrahim’s work was mainly based on documents captured in 1991 for the Iraq Reasearch and Documentation Project. Thus, Powell’s ‘evidence’ was copied from a 12 year old report.
7. However, information can and is likely to change in a period of 12 years. Powell’s evidence therefore gives little or no proof about the current situation in Iraq.
8. Other sources that are used in Powell’s evidence are from Jane’s Intelligence journal: Ken Gause (an international security analyst from Alexandria, Virginia), "Can the Iraqi Security Apparatus save Saddam" (November 2002), pp.8-13. and Sean Boyne, "Inside Iraq?s Security Network", in 2 parts during 1997.
9. These sources are also plagiarized.
10. Therefore this information isn’t obtained by Blair’s intelligence sources either.
11. Powell’s evidence differs slightly from its original plagiarized sources on the following points. 1) numbers are increased or rounded up: instead of 18 000-40 000 members of the Fedayeen Saddam organisation, the numbers have been changed to 30 000-40 000 etc. 2) Some words have been changed to be more convincing: ‘aiding opposition groups in hostile regimes’ becomes ‘supporting terrorist organisations in hostile regimes’ etc.
Now this is what the articles tell me. I draw the following conclusions from that:
1. Powell’s evidence is plagiarized. This is not my main concern though.
2. Telling that 12 year old information describes the current situation is to me a form of intentionally lying.
3. Making unfounded changes to the original documents and saying that it is evidence is intentionally lying to me.
For these reasons I think that I can say that the Bush government spreads intentional lies. Or is there something I miss here, dArGOn? I hope so, because this has had a huge negative impact for me on the integrity of the Bush government. I now have two concerns. If this is one of the most important pieces of evidence against Iraq, doesn’t this make one doubt about how true the other pieces of evidence are? And second: if the evidence against Iraq is false or questionable at most, how sure can we be that Bush’s motives are justified?
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Remember a few weeks back when I stated that Saddam and his appeasers were going to be pleased if Turkey get involved and screw the whole thing up. Well one person here claimed I was using slander. Well I guess there will need to be a retraction by that poster as the news report recent polling data shows:
“only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory over “les anglo-saxons”.
That is remarkable only 33% of them want us to win and an astounding other 33% actually want Saddam to win.. I guess in-between making big business deals with dictators for blood money and desecrating UK WWII cemeteries lots of French are actually hoping that their allies don’t win. Which also goes again to prove my point that many of the “anti-war” crowd are nothing of the sort, but instead just very anti-American.
This touching story also just in from the news:
“Lance Cpl. Brian Cole, 20, of Kansas City, Kan, was bowled over by the 7-year-old girl who handed him a Christmas card with this painstakingly written text: "Thank you for liberate us. And thank you for help us. You are a great army."”
Well we are in Baghdad now…truly amazing. Just goes to show that Peter Arnett not only gave aid and comfort to the enemy but that he is a complete fool. Last week he was comforting Saddam by telling him the Coalition plan failed miserably…and then one week later we are at Saddam’s front door. What a great journalist...so much for objective anyalsis….but who could really take him seriously after his fiasco in I think 1991 when he was yet again a puppet for the regime and claimed USA bombed a baby milk factory… the world found out how gullible/ignorant he was as it was found to not be a baby milk factory at all.
Well more news from the Terrorism/war crime front today (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=3&cid=578&u=/nm/20030405/ts_nm/iraq_britain_bodies_dc & http://www.sundayherald.com/32893):
“In a cargo container near the coffins, British soldiers found scrapbooks stuffed with faded photographs of corpses, most of which appeared to have gunshot wounds to the head.
Vanessa Allen, a correspondent with Britain's Press Association, reported that some of the faces had been burned, mutilated or scarred by horrific wounds….., rusting metal hooks dangled from iron poles embedded in the ceiling “
Granted the scene is still under investigation, but first reports seem to strongly indicate that this was a torture warehouse for POW’s and dissidents.
I was reflecting today upon all the suffering and loss of life that has and is occurring on both sides. It grieves me to think upon it and I am reminded to not lose sight of the human factor and pray.
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“Why is it I can force myself not to call you a warmonger and you don't have the decency to address people individually rather than make an overall accusation
of "appeaser"?”
Hmm I have not called you a Saddam supporter and you have not called me a war-monger…seems like we both have showed restraint. I don’t think it is very practical to list everyone on the thread each time I am making a statement.
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“Hardly surprising, isn't his brother governor there or something?”
Hmm yeah he did the recounts himself. Actually the recounts demanded by Gore were only in Democrat counties…so the officials doing the counting if anything had an agenda to find the count in favor of Gore.
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” about how your democratic media inform, 1st you already captured at least 3 iraqi's general but then later all turned out to be some low lvl soldier, what a nice propagnda, you already discovered at least 4 times some chemical weapons, but always it was something else, you stupid idiots, if you do not know what u find then dont say anything in news unless you are sure, whole world is laughing at you, soldier was rescued, she was shot, another report she was not shot, another report she was shot.. lol ? what is this ? get your **** together,”
Yeah there has been mis-reporting…as to be expected (see my conversation with Wub if interested). You think that only American media makes mistakes? The world media is present in Iraq/Kuwait…so I guess that blows your little theory. That is what happens in a FREE media. Thankfully they are typically cleared up. You will notice that none of the mistakes came from the white house or Pentagon.
Wub thanks for your thoughtful research. It definitely gives pause. From the evidence you provided the case does seem pretty convincing. Though I do find it interesting that it seems the majority of the evidence was given by UK intelligence and somehow it is a Bush lie? That doesn’t quite make sense to me. Just out of curiosity…I am terrible at google and other search engines…I never seem to get the key words correct thus any research I do from the past takes me forever. What key words did you use to do your search cause when I tried I couldn’t find anything one way or the other.
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“(links would have been nice for those non-news watchers, just a hint).”
Here ya go (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2917107.stm & http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030404-2319007b.htm
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“So tell me, when is your agenda for invading nations like:
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
Iran
China
Russia
Zimbabwe”
Apples and oranges. Create a thread on each and we can debate it as time permits. I started a thread on North Korea so you can find my views there.
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“Lews and dargon what do tou do for living if its no secret.”
I work for Green Peace….lol…just kidding. I am a licensed psychotherapist and am currently working in the family business of home development.
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“1949-1991 it were communists of all sorts that were on the bad list for the US goverment(except maybee for one or two administrations.
Now it is Middle Easteners...after putting Iran and Iraq in his axis of evil,”
Yes you are correct. Stalin and communist USSR were great places…no one should of opposed their slaughter of millions under their benevolent dictatorship. How very humanitarian of you to support them.
Oh yes you are also correct about USA being against middle easterners…yes that is why we liberated Kuwait and have immediately sent humanitarian aid into Iraq….foolish statements. Do you actually think before you post or just blurt out random thoughts?
Tell me….what man has killed more middle easterners/Muslims in modern times? Well I will help you out there…Saddam. Remember a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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“tell us all how many of those judges were republicans and how many were democrats ?”
The lack of information displayed by your question informs me that you need to get much more educated about the courts if you ask such a question as to their political party.
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“SSSR was supporting Iran, big time, trying to get comunism into all countries in middle east and that usa did not like at all so you started supported iraq”
Umm now back to realistic history. Our big support of Iraq came because Iran had taken USA citizens hostage for about a year. But don’t let facts get into the way of your ideas.
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“how do I prove you that you dropped 2 nukes on japan”
Umm again…history is a great tool…might try studying it. It is a undisputed fact that we used atom bombs on Japan. On the other hand there is no historical fact that we gave Iraq chemical weapons. Moreover it would be absurd….given that we have supported numerous nations in various warfare/conflicts…why would we only give chemical weapons to Iraq and not to any other. Pesty facts of life must really upset your little world view.
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“(use scale 1-10 1 is best, looking forward to see it, feel free to prove your words with some hard evidence-e.g numbers)”
Well we have been getting off topic here for a while…but I guess we all have done that in this thread. Your rating system lacks criteria…compared to who…Africa? Europe? France? China? The world? To my expectations? To America’s expectations? But as a general sense I will inform you that America has one of the best if not the best living standards and economy in the world. I already had the discussion with Bort about 10 pages back so you are welcome to look at the facts presented there.
And a little humor to end the post:
Saddam's doctor called a meeting of all the Saddam look-alikes.
"Men, I've got some good news and I've got some bad news.
The good news is Saddam is still alive.
The bad news is he lost an arm."
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SirDunco
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posted April 06, 2003 08:18 AM |
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“1949-1991 it were communists of all sorts that were on the bad list for the US goverment(except maybee for one or two administrations.
Now it is Middle Easteners...after putting Iran and Iraq in his axis of evil,”
Yes you are correct. Stalin and communist USSR were great places…no one should of opposed their slaughter of millions under their benevolent dictatorship. How very humanitarian of you to support them.
Oh yes you are also correct about USA being against middle easterners…yes that is why we liberated Kuwait and have immediately sent humanitarian aid into Iraq….foolish statements. Do you actually think before you post or just blurt out random thoughts?
Tell me….what man has killed more middle easterners/Muslims in modern times? Well I will help you out there…Saddam. Remember a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
dargon... I never supported Stalin and never willl for he humiliateed the name of communism(I was talking about the McCarthny trials). Stalin was a crazy maniac but if you would realy care for people in communist countries why didn't the Us do something after 1968 in Czechoslovakia?
And what about Korea and Vietnam...they were communists too and the reason for interveing was cause the goverment thought another communsit country on the map would be a threat...or what about American lead interventions in Central and South America after a communist addminstration has taken power, and then putting a Dictator to rule the country...the ofcourse the ditcator killed thousands of people or even millions(Saddams Huseins case).
The reason for freeing Kuwait was well majorly beacouse it a central of petrol production and beacouse it cause an international incident if not attended...Saddam Husein killed Kurds(which is terrible) but Kurds do not really count as Middle easteners...in the last couple of years it probably was the Izraeli(Americas "Great Allie") army that killed allot of Middle Easterners...
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csarmi
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posted April 06, 2003 08:20 PM |
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"also do you know any other country in which the person who gets LESS votes from regular people is the winner ? so much for your great voting system"
Well, I do know a few.
First, England. You can get 80% of the mandates with 30-35% of the votes. OK, it is not realistic, but 55% of the mandates with 40% of the votes is.
This is because the system has "blocks" in it, wheres it does not matter how much you win with.
Second, France.
Third, Hungary (though our system is a bit mixed).
Theoretically, every system that includes anything else then "list voting" (so you vote for parties on 1 list and you get exactly your share of the mandates based only on the number of the votes) has this "flaw".
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