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posted June 20, 2004 10:37 AM |
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I'll remember that next time someone turns on the catholic church for their inquisition or the communists for their purges...
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posted June 20, 2004 04:22 PM |
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I'll remember that next time someone turns on the catholic church for their inquisition or the communists for their purges...
PH, my old friend, lets not get started on religion.
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posted June 20, 2004 04:32 PM |
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Just pointing out that using the "well he got one or two nasty people... at least he may have got them is a pretty damn poor argument to justify a modern day inquisition and witchunt in which many innocent people suffered.
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posted June 20, 2004 05:17 PM |
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McCarthy's list was less than 100 people. The Inquisition tortured infinitely more. It's irrational to compare the two. They were of completly different magnitudes. Don't even get me started on the Holocaust. I don't remember any communists being executed...
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posted June 20, 2004 06:38 PM |
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You dont know what you're talking about. During Hitler's reign communists and Jews were the most prosecuted.
And about McCarthy, it's the principle that matters, not the numbers. Being arrested because of your political opinion, now is that a democracy?!
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posted June 20, 2004 06:55 PM |
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Hello Svarog,
stupid question  , you´re talking to people who think that being tortured for only being suspected of a certain opinion is justified and goes well with democracy.
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posted June 20, 2004 07:43 PM |
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stupid question , you´re talking to people who think that being tortured for only being suspected of a certain opinion is justified and goes well with democracy.
You fail to mention that the "opinion" is an idealistic bunch of nonsense that has no place in society. Suspected communists weren't tortured either, at least not in the US, so I have no idea where you're coming from. All that happened was some politicians lost their jobs.
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posted June 20, 2004 08:11 PM |
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Plus actors, movie makers and others blacklisted and unable to work just for maybe being "subversive". Yeah, it really only hit politicians...
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posted June 20, 2004 08:27 PM |
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Plus actors, movie makers and others blacklisted and unable to work just for maybe being "subversive". Yeah, it really only hit politicians...
And that makes McCarthy as bad as Queen Isabella? I don't think so.
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posted June 20, 2004 09:00 PM |
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Isn't it great when we can persuade ourselves that something is justified just because someone else did the same thing worse...
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posted June 21, 2004 12:40 AM |
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Isn't it great when we can persuade ourselves that something is justified just because someone else did the same thing worse...
I'm not applauding it. You are saying that McCarthy is on the same level as Isabella and Hitler, and that simply isn't true.
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posted June 21, 2004 01:03 AM |
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No I'm saying they used dictator like methods, I never meant they were on the same numerical level, I happen to consider that mostly irrelevant.
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posted June 28, 2004 09:23 AM |
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You screamed a little to late there flyspot.The sooner we can get Iraq stable and a government in place that is acceptable to the people of Iraq and the united nations, the sooner all of the troops can go home. The next election in the U.S. will be a deciding factor in how long we stay in place over there.Most people seem to think that Kerry will make a better President than Bush. Remember that 95% of all politicians are full of crap and say what the people want to here just to win there vote, after,they could care less about what the promises to the people and go after the special interest groups that have all the money.
Kerry is the same way, He will do no better than bush. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy but I still don't trust him. The only way to fix the problems in our government is to have just a council of elders to make the discisions, Based on that thought, Things like the Iraq problem would not happen cause no one person has the authority to make the call. It has to be up to all of us.
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Remember that 95% of all politicians are full of crap and say what the people want to here just to win there vote
Does this explain Kerry changing his positions so often? What does he stand for? 
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posted July 09, 2004 07:49 PM |
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All that happened was some politicians lost their jobs.
You obviously know nothing about this dark era of American history. Hundreds -- possibly thousands -- of people's lives were ruined by this maniac. Many were thrown in prison for between six months to a year for refusing to finger-point at other innocent people. McCarthy used the threat of such ruin to get individuals to indict and accuse one another wrongly.
Hundreds of innocent individuals became notoriously blacklisted and could not find work. Had you been one of them, I doubt you attitude would be so callous and cavalier.
This guy shat upon the U.S. Constitution in more ways than one, and Congress stood by and let him do it.
Aquaman, you should really know what you are talking about before minimizing something as serious as this, man. I really mean it.
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It's Probably More Likely Called:
McCarthiasm is probably more closely described as a modern day(not that modern I know...) inquisition or crusade. Both he and Hoover(F.B.I. director) formed a formidable american ethnic cleansing the likes of which haven't been seen since the middle ages.
So...I agree with Peacemaker.
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posted July 13, 2004 01:33 AM |
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Hoover is also to be credited with the collapse of the Ku Klux Klan, too.
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posted July 13, 2004 02:10 AM |
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McCarthyism is probably more closely described as a modern day(not that modern I know...) inquisition or crusade.
I think the term you're looking for Concis is Witch Hunt.
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posted July 13, 2004 04:28 AM |
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Remember that 95% of all politicians are full of crap and say what the people want to here just to win there vote
Does this explain Kerry changing his positions so often? What does he stand for?
The lesser of two evils.
IMHO, Kerry is just surfing the anti-Bush wave hoping to ride it straight into the White House. The sad thing is that the majority of Americans who will vote for Kerry won't even know what his platform and policies contain, they will just choose by blind faith in hopes of unseating Bush. When people ask me for whom I am voting, I tell them that I am waiting for the candidates to take their stands on the major issues before I decide. I am hoping that a debate takes place before this election. I would like to find out Kerry's plan for the situation in Iraq, and hopefully Bush will finally reveal his plan as well.
This should probably be in the Bush Re-Election thread, but I had to throw my one-and-a-half cents in here first. 
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posted July 14, 2004 11:05 AM |
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Hoover is also to be credited with the collapse of the Ku Klux Klan, too.
Yeah and Hitler got everyone back to work, Mussolini got the trains running on time (well he didn't really, but neither do I suspect did Hoover destroy completely the KKK), and Napoleon united europe. There's good and bad in all people, but there's no excuse for the actions of McCarthy and Hoover that can outweigh the bad actions they took.
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