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pandora
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posted October 14, 2002 04:20 PM |
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In defense of MaH and its co-ordinators, i think that they are still adjusting to their new situation, and haven't been rushing into a whole lot of new things that they perhaps weren't ready to handle yet.
I seem to recall Kitten trying to get a feel for how divisions might go if they were to start it, and what happened was she was getting tossed, people strayed offtopic, and i think she just scrapped the idea.
I know they did co-ordinate with b@stards and there is a fest tourney right now, as for anything else they are likely waiting to get a better feel for the dedication of their players (dunno, just guessing) It does truly suck to start up a tourney and find the actiity drops to 0 after a week, and u see you've wasted your time running it.
I don't know really what goes on over there, but i do know i see Kitten and Ravyn getting slammed here - maybe if some people would give em a chance, and back em up a little more they'd feel more confident in getting the big tourneys running 
Ps: Thnx for the kind words on B@stards Rychenb@stard
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ironmlh
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posted October 14, 2002 09:27 PM |
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Ah
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the main question i wanted to get answered is : are players and coordinators happy the situation is right now with toh homm3 ?
to me it seems that not everyone seems to care about the current situation....its ok if players think like that but its sad if tourney coordianators do so.
As a player, I am not too happy with the situation. H3 is just getting older and worn out each time i play. I really do not care to extend the life of h3 online as the future is not in h3, it will be in H4(in time). Lets Move on!
H3 is slowly dying and will continue on its downward slowly but surely. All the hype and talk about getting players re-interested falls on few ears these days.
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@jinxer: sorry i dun think ur post fits into this thread- its just another "jinxer cries about fixed maps" - post. we allrdy have thousands of em everywhere around this message board - seems like u wanna put one of em into every thread 
Jinxers post fits into this thread nicely, he brings up yet another valid point for the decline of h3(whether you want to admit it or not motor). Maps are stale, same ole map different day syndrome. You can only have so much fun with the same maps, and it is becoming obvious that this is in-fact a key reason for h3 decline among others.
Maybe if great new maps where still being made it may extend the freshness and exicitement for many players.
Oh, and another thing. Lately it seems that the players on the zone are comprised of 50% or more of newbies. It really has been hard to find a game with someone that you know or have knowledge of.
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Jinxer
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posted October 14, 2002 09:51 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 14 Oct 2002
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LMAO -- Sounds like Motor is doing the most crying here. hehe. You asked the question and I gave my answer. Just because you were not satisfied with the answer doesnt mean my point is not valid. SO you wanting to censor my opinion now? Hmmm.. Thought you didnt like peoples opinions on this board squashed. Or does that only count if they agree with you. As you can see with ironml's post there are many others that feel same way as me.
TOH is free. And all the time is donated by the administrators and volunteers. If you dont like how things are being run Motor. Then I would suggest staying in German league. And on German Message Boards. If you seriously want the TOH way of life to continue and to get better. Then I would strongly suggest DOING something about it. Step up...and offer to volunteer. So some of the grunt work it takes to maintain a tourny like this.
Seems to me all you do is talk and complain and never actually do anything positive or productive for the tourny. I have always liked you Motor, but just as tournies and maps are getting stale so is your constent negative attitude 
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Kitten and Raven are doing a super job!!
Jinxer
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
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posted October 14, 2002 09:57 PM |
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hmm thats kinda strage isnt it ? u write this
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I really do not care to extend the life of h3 online as the future is not in h3, it will be in H4(in time). Lets Move on!
H3 is slowly dying and will continue on its downward slowly but surely. All the hype and talk about getting players re-interested falls on few ears these days.
but on the other hand u write that
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Oh, and another thing. Lately it seems that the players on the zone are comprised of 50% or more of newbies. It really has been hard to find a game with someone that you know or have knowledge of.
really strange that a game which u call slowly dying has such a great ammout of noobs... h3 still has potential for a 4 time higher activity rate than it is now i bet . but changes need to be made immediatly.
btw the map question has nothing to do with this thread - some like maps - others randoms...blahblahblah..each his own. people will allways play maps they prefer - be it in starcraft, h3 or counterstrike.
with this thread i just want to wake up the h3 community a bit from its beauty sleep. something should be done or ur vision of a dying homm3 might come true.... and i dun like this thought..
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 14, 2002 10:07 PM |
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TOH is free. And all the time is donated by the administrators and volunteers. If you dont like how things are being run Motor. Then I would suggest staying in German league.
no - when i dont like something i dun run away i say my opinion . if YOU dont like that you should go away
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And on German Message Boards. If you seriously want the TOH way of life to continue and to get better. Then I would strongly suggest DOING something about it. Step up...and offer to volunteer. So some of the grunt work it takes to maintain a tourny like this.
if i can help in anyway i surely do - that out of the question. i allways did . but where is the sense in helping someone who is absolutely satisfied with his current situation ??
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Seems to me all you do is talk and complain and never actually do anything positive or productive for the tourny. I have always liked you Motor, but just as tournies and maps are getting stale so is your constent negative attitude
u call it negative - i call it realistic. be true we all know that nothing will ever change if noone says what he thinks is wrong...and thats not only in the world of homm this way 
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Kitten and Raven are doing a super job!!
maybe maybe not i cant judge. but i would love to hear if they also think the current situation is cool or not.
just take 1 look at the ranks. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz . nuff said
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rychenroller
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Supreme Hero
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posted October 14, 2002 11:38 PM |
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Motor, I think it is up to you to face reality, heroes3 is 4 years old, how can it attract the players it used to? it never will, in computer gaming terms it is ancient, people want to play other things. I am a heroes 3 fan til the end, but I dont speak for everyone. Theres nothing you can do, running a catchy new tourney might bring a few back for a while but to what end? In a few weeks they will be gone again.
I will stick to playing my mates and the bastards I know, I'm not interested in playing people I dont know for ToH. Its a comfort zone and much easier. afetr 4 yrs of a game thats what I want, easy, casual and friendly. Not clans, divisions, lords, CoW, whatever it may be.
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bobntamr1
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posted October 14, 2002 11:57 PM |
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TOH is free. all the time is donated by the administrators and volunteers. If you seriously want the TOH way of life to continue and to get better. Then I would strongly suggest DOING something about it. Step up...and offer to volunteer.
Kitten and Raven are doing a super job!!
Jinxer
Jinxer you are the man...when posting to some one else
I couldn't agree more ToH always can use help somewhere somehow. I think that myths is running fine. as for the players and the inherant problems with any game there is cheaters. How many of you have played the same map 30 times, found a footman, or squire who has played it twice, creamed them and felt good about it? I am a random player because of this fact. But to stick to the point kitten angel does more for the people everyday than any 10 legionaires who wont play a squire because if they get beat it will hurt their poor rankings. these things are not bred by ToH, they are bred by people looking to take advantage of other weaker people so they can feel better about themselves.
Furthermore it is unfortunate but HOMM3 doesn't have more than a year ... two tops left. I guarentee that msn is going to close their doors sooner or later, then what? ip...how will we find games then? I love HOMM3 still and play when I am not working for map council.
I am not trying to trash you (this is for everyone who wants change)if you think there is a problem VOLUNTEER! do something about it.
I am truley sorry if I hurt anyones feelings by this post, but I am loyal to the bone.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted October 15, 2002 01:47 AM |
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I adm it Heroes 3 & TOH got so much good & some bad history together but it was great not trying to get off subject but i would like to play a game online without worrying about the game freezing or have to turn off Music or animations just to play 3-4 battles before it freezes & thats what heroes 4 does I am pretty sure with most players or less they are so rich they can afford state of the art com.
Heroes 3 is still fun but just not the same since everyone basically left because the game is played out but some it's as fun as when it first came out.
I think a fun game would be to play it to the fullest not shutting certain properties down just to play & then theres the sending data.
Heroes 3 is still fun & I hope Heroes 5 has the same spirit as heroes 3 but with some of the heroes 4 ideas too 7 I think it will be good.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted October 15, 2002 06:14 AM |
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LoL you guys blind or what?
What killed activity on homm whether it is homm3 or homm4, is 3d0's blunders.
I think you guys should be satisfied enough as to how I cloned ToH into two, even the mainpage linking 50/50 to both. Everything is the same, except that the admins for homm3 are Mandi & Ravyn.
At this point im on the down-low... waiting to see if a patch comes out to fix some of the bugs. I have some very nice tourneys set up that will shoot activity & desire for competition up for homm4, but I will not activate them until these problems are fixed.
I cannot, however, run both sites. My interest is in homm4 now, I can only 'generally' oversee the homm3 section.
Motorshaaf.... you know I've always let freedom of ideas and player support rule ToH...if you really want to fire up some interesting ideas for homm3, you can always set up a subtourney in ToH3, I have no problem with that...and in fact encourage it.
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midnight
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posted October 15, 2002 07:37 AM |
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3do's H4 blunders extended the life of H3 by another year rather than reduced it.
Online H3 is suffering cuz of H4 multi being out. If the H4 multi worked properly, H3 would be even harder hit. TOH has a pretty neutral affect cuz supports both.
H4 might be a different game, but it is still H3's main competitor. It is just market dynamics. You cant expect H3 loyalty and passion when the biggest competitor in years has recently arrived. Interesting to note however that a lot of the random map players r still playing H3 regardless of what tourneys r around, one area where H3 still has a clear advantage.
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Titan_888
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Wind of Change
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posted October 15, 2002 08:59 AM |
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i was on a killing streak...
won about 6 games in row for the WW-tourney. My main battles went more and more crazy... actually i left few of them only to have chance of moving in first round... without using higher level spells hehe..
then... it came to my Tribe-War-Game... ExcaliburClansMap.. Yes i know the map... so i leaned back and relaxed wellknowing this might be easy win... i build up my secondary town since also Castle Town..
My topia brought me Helmet of Heavenly so basicly.. things was on my side... i broke the borderguards for middle (Week 3 that was jinxer) but ...
oohhh no... i was attacked... i brought few creatures there.. didnt had enuff gold to supply my army... oohhh no..
i had this strange feeling... really strange feeling... what could it be!
I start fight his army with my archangels... but slowly.. very slowly they decreased ...
With 1 archangel left my nightmare came trough...
SHACKLESS OF WAR
GAME OVER
my point with this is...
Never HOMM3 again...
its so total unfair that he get shackles i mean... shackles shouldnt be on map.. its not fair
also... i think he practiced map only to rush middle.. its not fair
i lost an important clan-game... its not fair
All this rushing with full army from opponent was NOT Fair.
He could atleast give me a chance to bring more troops.
and why didnt he wait to brake to middle week 4?
its not fair...
Now i play homm4... so now for me no more pain with loosing to cheap tricks and stupid maps. No more loosing to opponent that always picks the same skill over and over.
Never more tourneygames because its not fair
i will go play BubbleBobble now cause that game is almost fair
oh btw. did i forget to mention that my opponent actually played a very good game!
That was fair!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 15, 2002 03:24 PM |
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TitanSchaaf...?????
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bjorn190
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Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted October 15, 2002 05:54 PM |
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The only thing we need
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a dynamic automated report/ranking system
Thatīs the cornerstone of TOH
I would play,
in a league,
that is like toh was,
with just the vets.
If there was,
such a thing.
But, noone except Ves has the will to create that.
And heīs into H4 now, wich is right, and normal.
*we* are the exeptions now.
So itīs gonna be harder
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fran7738
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posted October 16, 2002 04:03 PM |
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The only thing we need
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a dynamic automated report/ranking system
Thatīs the cornerstone of TOH
I would play,
in a league,
that is like toh was,
with just the vets.
If there was,
such a thing.
But, noone except Ves has the will to create that.
And heīs into H4 now, wich is right, and normal.
*we* are the exeptions now.
So itīs gonna be harder
Yep i do believe the same,a competitive ladder ranking system will do the job for MAH in order to raising the activity level!
Still Myth was created,i think,with an other kind of spirit ( values) tourney as opposed to toh and its ranking system was reflecting it.And that's fine i respect that.
But as far as activity level is concerned,a more competitive ranking system is needed.
P.S. I wish all the luck to all h4 gamers in their works in bringing a new cool strategy game around.
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted October 16, 2002 06:33 PM |
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this is lame
competative ranking system?
I FEEL LIKE I"M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!!!
you have 30 pts +/- 5% for win
you have 20 pts +/- 5% for loss
what is the difference?
the fact 1 says "MYTHS AND HEROES"
the other says "TOURNAMENT OF HONOR"
i hear what motorschaaf said earlier...honor council must be announced...
but really that is about it.
divisions?sure...once we have a couple more legionares..
Ves's attention on H4?yeah so what?
he obviously cared enough about h3 to clone automation
yet all there is here is whining.again.
raise activity?great,cya in zone lets play!
for every vet that is quitting because he/she has played 4 years
a newb is here to learn the game..
give them time and they will become good foes/allies
nuff said...
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted October 16, 2002 07:11 PM |
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Why not? How and where do I get more info on all of the different options concerning ToH? Myths, fest, clans, divisions, what are they, how do they work, which ones rule, what ones suck? You high ranked players should be the ones that are able to help an 'online noob' with this.
EDIT: O, I get it. Because ToH isnt supposed to be played in a friendly atmosphere, you can't answer this question.
Well, thanks. ~Nidhwillkickyourassanydaygrin.
Well I don't know if someone else answered your question further down the line because I stopped reading at this post to make a reply. So if I am repeating someone elses words then forgive me, but I thought you deserved an answer. As for places to find out about some of these things I suggest you go to both the ToH Homm4 tournament page and the Myths and Heroes tournament page and read through the different tournament offerings. I tell you to look at the HoMM4 tournaments because a majority of them started off as HoMM3 tournaments and could be again if there was interest.
Hope this helps
Raven
MaH Coordinator
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted October 16, 2002 07:45 PM |
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Thank You
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In defense of MaH and its co-ordinators, i think that they are still adjusting to their new situation, and haven't been rushing into a whole lot of new things that they perhaps weren't ready to handle yet.
I seem to recall Kitten trying to get a feel for how divisions might go if they were to start it, and what happened was she was getting tossed, people strayed offtopic, and i think she just scrapped the idea.
I know they did co-ordinate with b@stards and there is a fest tourney right now, as for anything else they are likely waiting to get a better feel for the dedication of their players (dunno, just guessing) It does truly suck to start up a tourney and find the actiity drops to 0 after a week, and u see you've wasted your time running it.
I don't know really what goes on over there, but i do know i see Kitten and Ravyn getting slammed here - maybe if some people would give em a chance, and back em up a little more they'd feel more confident in getting the big tourneys running
I don't think I could have said it better myself. A part of the issue is Kitten and I trying to get used to the automation controls and some small difficulties we have been having.
A bigger part of the issue, I feel, is that we get bashed for everything we do and for doing nothing. If we try to revive one of the older tournaments be in a ToH one or a MaH tournament people complain. If we try to come up with something new, which Mandi has on a couple of different occasions, people complain. Now I know that it is in people's nature to complain but it makes it really discouraging to want to start anything. Why spend all that time and energy for nothing in the long run? Both Mandi and I do have some ideas in the works both new and old, so keep your pants on. And try to remember to be supportive even in your criticism for example "I think this could be great if you changed this..." rather then "This sucks" The first gives us ideas the second just cuts us down. If you want to see new tournaments then stop hurting and start helping!
EDIT: And just so things are not taken wrong. I am not saying that is what Motor is doing at this time. He is trying to come up with some ideas and he seems to be willing to help support them, ie. volunteer work. So please no one take my general comment as being aimed at any one person in particular.
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bobntamr1
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posted October 16, 2002 08:15 PM |
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AMEN (truth) raven... i wish i had talked to you a bit more in times past, and present. The only way to keep HOMM3 active is in the support of newbies...or it dies period. help them out or they will shelve the game and go back to diablo2.
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KittenAngel
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Lee's wifey
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posted October 17, 2002 07:36 AM |
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maybe maybe not i cant judge. but i would love to hear if they also think the current situation is cool or not.
just take 1 look at the ranks. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz . nuff said
Motorschaaf
I am happy with the new automation system yes, happy with the situation NO. Seems everyone likes to toss, but no one likes to help. This may make alot of people mad I am sorry but if you don't like my tournament go play another. Raven and I are trying to do the best we can, but everything we try to do we get flammed for it.
@Pan thanks girl that post you made, made me feel a little better.
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Nidhgrin
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posted October 19, 2002 12:05 PM |
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Some people here gave me some info already but thanks alot nonetheless Ravyn. I'm sure there is enough interest in Heroes 3 left. It only seems that a good deal of veteran players have moved to H4 (also a great game) and unfortunately completely stepped out of tournament H3. And noobs seem to scare the veterans that still stick to H3 bq they don't know if they're reliable and/or challenging. If you need help to get a new H3 tourney running, I'm willing to help out.
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