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Doomsday
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posted December 30, 2002 04:30 PM |
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I have to say it.... Religion is a pure scam
Religion is the greatest scam there ever was.
Think about it from the perspective of a non-believer: They want us to believe that there is a man in the sky whom we can't see, and despite the fact that there is no evidence to support his existence, he wants us to follow these 10 laws he has laid down and if I don't I will go to a place of fire and brimstone and burning and torture etc.... but he loves us???
This God(or Gods) also seems to choose REALLY bad people to speak on his behalf. Money hungry "preachers", child molesting priests, crazy anti-abortion loons, etc...
God can't seem to manage money very well either. He just can't get his check book to balance so he NEEDS your money and lots of it. If god is so damn all powerful than why is he always in need of money.
Any form of religion is just another form of control. They tell you what you should and should not say. They tell you that you should only do things on a certain day. They tell you what to think and when to think it. Come to think (pun intended) about it that sounds very much like how the Nazi's brainwashed their followers (they were told what they could like, do, feel etc...).
If there is a god than why does he not show SOME evidence of his existence? I'll tell you why. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST.
Some nut back in the day decided that he would make up this story and some other nut wrote it down and we ended up with the bible. Also people in those days did alot of Opium and the like so I'm sure they THOUGHT they were talking to god.
We, as humans, have screwed this world up so bad that if God created us in his image than he is one sorry deity. I mean you can't tell me this crappy world we live in is part of some "grand plan". Also if there is a god how come there are so many different interpretations of him? I mean entire wars have been fought over who's version was better (the crusades anyone?).
If the bible is correct than how do you explain the Dinosaurs? You can't discount them yet they contradict the basic ideals laid down in the bible.
If God put us here at the beginning of time then why are there creatures older than us (Sharks and Alligators are two of the oldest species on earth yet the bible says Man is). The bible contradicts itself at every turn.
Why not believe in Martians, Dragons and Unicorns, too?
They are no more of a far fetched ideal than that of "god".
When we die we will rot and decay and that's it. We will NOT accend or descend to any special place. When you die thats it, you are dead.
There is nothing after the moment of death. To the nuts out there that believe this religious stuff:
Contact me I have a real neat bridge to sell you.
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Lich_King
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posted December 30, 2002 04:42 PM |
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Don't offence, but you talking, like a real atheist and materialist.
So what ? People aren't forced to pay money to church, they pay from the good will. I can't say, that I'm a good christian, but I don't denie the existence of something *higher*...
Ohh yes... You talked about the Bible and dinosaurs, bla bla bla.... You're not supposed to understand Bible litteraly. Ask yourself... Where a heck are the dinosaurs came from ? And the plants, backteries ?
Explain it to me and maybe I'll denie the existance of God.
>Lich
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malkia
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posted December 30, 2002 08:15 PM |
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Religion was unifying people times ago. Religion was invented to keep people going in the dark, and not to be afraid of anything, but god.
Nowadays religion feels kind of obsolete, like an old man - but the same way we have to treat it well - it may just go crazy.
It's like Santa Claus to the kids, as it was to the people lived hundreths years ago - now the humanity has passed it's child, and teenage years and does not need any more of that "Santa Claus" stuff. Some are saying that humanity is in it's old ages, and needs to die - or will kill itself.
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Mad_Unicorn
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posted December 30, 2002 09:06 PM |
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wait a sec???
SANTA DOESN'T EXIST???!!!!!!! now hold yer horses there buster and whats this nonsense unicorns dont exist or dragons??? (actually dragons do exist just not the type u think of Komodo Dragon)
The church is just THE oldest form of suppression....
here is a chart for those who like that sort of thing
Religion----->Monarchy------>Gover"N"ment------>Santa
(well minus santa... maybe....... still haven't heard back from him in over 15 years)
simple yes?
All forms suppress your ability to think for yourself. Malkia is right churchs are like an old man they been in the game far too long and finally thinking about retiring so they turn to "loftier" pursuits like... molesting small children, making you believe you should give money to them because its the "good" thing to do. (I ask Dargon to look up how much tv evangelists make((cant spell again) I think the number is quite frightening).
Scam?? no just sucks in alot of naive people, you aren't getting scammed if you dont "believe" you are getting scammed 
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Lich_King
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posted December 31, 2002 01:00 AM |
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You're mean person Mad Unicorn.... Shame on you 
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Camelnor
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posted December 31, 2002 06:01 AM |
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you have an almost identical thread going.
dont make a new one.
and anyway, what is the point of this? You come to HC, and bam! your first post is some anti-religion rampage. Im not saying that you shouldnt make an anti-religion rampage if you are so inclined, but why did you come HERE, to Heroes Community, a gaming forum, when there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of larger forums (forums that are actually meant for this type of thing, rather than gaming...) where your rampage would be heard by a larger audience???
Just seems odd.
(P.S. - @mods - one of you should probably remove this thread, as it is practically the same idea repeated from the other thread he made... not to mention this could seriously offend some people, then heated arguments start, then people get banned...)
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bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 09:31 AM |
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When we die we will rot and decay and that's it. We will NOT accend or descend to any special place. When you die thats it, you are dead.
There is nothing after the moment of death. To the nuts out there that believe this religious stuff:
Contact me I have a real neat bridge to sell you.
First of all, I think it's pretty funny when people accuse Christians of being closed-minded and then say things like this.
Am I a fan of organized religion? No, I am not. Nothing against anyone who is, as long as you're not hurting anybody, peace to ya, but it's not for me. On the other hand, I have come to realize that conventional thinking cannot answer every question.
For example, explain to me the beginning of the universe. The big bang, right? Right. But what set that off? Stephen Hawking says, neutrino particles, right? Right. But where did those come from? Something can't just come from nothing, so there must be some sort of "force," "presence," or what have you, that exists outside of our universe. Yeah, I'm rambling now, so sue me, it's hard to explain these things on a message board.
In any case, it's funny when you attack religious blind faith, and then demonstrate it yourself by saying that "There is no god. Period."
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bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 10:08 AM |
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And by the way, that child-molester argument is getting so old. Yes, these are terrible people, but let's not hold an entire religion accountable for the actions of a few.
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deth8
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posted December 31, 2002 10:10 AM |
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Edited By: deth8 on 31 Dec 2002
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Have to say it? LOL....lies. You don't HAVE to say anything. I think you just lack the maturity to restrain yourself even though you are angry about something and know you probably should just keep your mouth shut. So you start out with that as an opener lacking knowledge for any better cliche'.
I mean no personal attack, but please dudes and dudettes.......some logic rather than worse ideas then you proclaim as being a scam??? Or are you just some lamer that is trying to learn to scam yourself???
Those in such ignorance on topics of religion should refrain from creating threads on the topic.
ooooooooohhhhhhhhh, mad_unicorn.......LOL supression....what a bad thing eh? LOL ...more faulty logical with an emotion based empty argument. Your name already says you are angry so now need to waste efforts spelling it out Seriously, to say such generalized comments on religion as a whole is a very simple logical fallacy. If you have an argument worth hearing then state it in such form as is actually worthy of debate.
However, if blabbing fallacious logic soothes the need to justify one's conscience in hopes that someone else will pat you on the back and say you are an okay person in your existence then I suppose we will continue to read the garble that started this thread.
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bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 03:03 PM |
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How, exactly, did you come to be a moderator?
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Laelth
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posted December 31, 2002 04:28 PM |
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Edited By: Laelth on 31 Dec 2002
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Bizud,
The argument I've heard about the "creation" of the universe that explains why a creator (or some external force) isn't necessary goes like this: matter (either as energy or particles) exists, and it doesn't go away. It simply fluctuates between states (sometimes energy, sometimes particles). Thus, there's no reason to believe that the universe (composed of matter) will ever end. Conversely, since matter doesn't just go away there's no need to believe that it ever came from somewhere, either. Perhaps matter has, simply, always existed, fluctuating between states of energy and particles. If so, there's no need to believe that anyone or anything "created" matter.
This is hard for us in the West to grasp because we inherited a linear view of time (beginning, middle, end), but it must be noted that not all cultures share (or shared) this view. The Ancient Egyptians, for example, had a cyclical view of time. The "oscilating big bang" theory, the one I described above, is a return (through science) to a cyclical understanding of time and history--no beginnings or endings, just endless changes that move in predictable cycles.
In my opinion, though, science is as much a religion as Christianity, Buddism, Islam, or any other "recognized" religion. It's all based on articles of "faith," axioms that one is supposed to simply believe, because they cannot be sufficiently proven. And we all believe in something, ultimately. Personally, I could care less what others believe, so long as their beliefs have no effect on me. It's when people try to convert their beliefs into laws that I have a problem. I'm much more concerned with what people do, and I've found no correlation, really, between particular religions and hienous acts. From my experience, it seems we're all capable of cruelty, regardless of our beliefs.
But I also believe that people are basically good, and that they have good reasons for doing most of the things they do. In this light, I have to believe that something is motivating Doomsday to create such threads. Perhaps he's been attacked by various religious hypocrites. Perhaps he's fallen prey to the hienous acts of certain religious figures. Perhaps he's simply trying, with the best of intentions, to warn people against falling into a trap that hurt him sometime in his past. Perhaps, in addition, he's not very articulate and isn't expressing these motivations very well. LOL.
Either way, I say let people rant. Who does it hurt, really? Again, I could care less what most people believe. I care about what they do, and Doomsday hasn't hurt anyone (to my knowledge) by posting his, shall we say, reflections on religion.
Regards to all,
-Laelth
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Bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 06:17 PM |
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Couldn't agree more, except for a few points.
-The big bang theory is scientific fact. Stephen Hawking proved it in the late 60s. The previously-dominant "steady-state" theory was disproved. It really pissed off all those hard-core atheist scientists, too, to have to admit that the church was kinda right about there having been a "single moment of creation."
-Science is not a religion. Science is based on empirical evidence, and the idea that what we see is true. For example, if I formulate a hypothesis that "a pencil, if dropped, will fall the to the ground," and then drop the pencil, and it falls, I have just proven the pencils-falling theory to be fact. Notwithstanding, of course, things like "oh, we could all be in the matrix, oooo," and other such nonsense. The fact is, that kind of crap can't ever be proven or disproven, so you might as well not even bring it up. I suppose, in that regard, science does kind of get dogmatic (about the assumption that our reality is REAL), but I think that's a reasonable assumption to make, don't you?
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bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 06:19 PM |
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And,
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I've found no correlation, really, between particular religions and hienous acts.
I think the real point was that organizations tend to breed evil, because it's easier to overlook your own conscience when everyone else is doing the same. Groupthink, and whatnot. Individuals are basically good, but groups and societies require constand vigilance.
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Doomsday
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posted December 31, 2002 06:45 PM |
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a gaming forum, when there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of larger forums..... would be heard by a larger audience???
Just seems odd.
Why are YOU posting here on this smaller community, where there are dozens of MUCH larger one's?
Just seems odd.
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Why do you fear the truth?
Censorship is for the weak.
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Laelth
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posted December 31, 2002 06:55 PM |
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Edited By: Laelth on 31 Dec 2002
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Cool. Thanks for the responses, Bizud.
Three things in reply:
The argument I presented about the nature of the universe does not contradict the "Big Bang" theory. I was offering up the "Oscilating Big Bang" theory, the one that says that the universe will expand and contract (and has done so an infinite number of times). In this theory, at the point of greatest expansion, all matter is in particle form (cold and lifeless). Then, gravity will cause it to contract back on itself, and it will gain energy until all the matter in the universe reaches a single point (and at this stage it's pure energy). Then, bang! It explodes, and matter spews out in all directions, continuing the cycle, ad infinitum. I wish I could give you a link to where I found this theory, but it's been so long ago since I came across it, that I've lost it, but it was hot in scientific circles for a while, and still is, as far as I know.
As for whether or not science is a religion, remember that there was a time in the West when simply quoting the Bible constituted "proof." That's because Christianity was the dominant religion, then. For many people, it still is, and a quote from the Bible proves something to them. For you, on the other hand, the theories and arguments of famous scientists constitute "proof," meaning that, for you, science is the dominant religion. In other words, religion (accoring to this theory) is whatever assumptions and authorities are believed to be capable of delivering "truth." That's why I call science a religion, because so many people believe that science can "prove" things (even though the scientists, themselves, don't really claim to prove much--gravity, for example, is still a "theory," and so is relativity). I recognize that many people object to calling science a religion, and that's O.K. None of us likes to have our core values called into question.
As to whether or not organized religion is a problem, as a number of people have noted, it is for some, and it's not for others. Organized religion can be a force for good just as easily as it can be a force for evil, but the point that I was trying to make is that it seems pointless, to me, to even worry about other people's religious beliefs. I judge people and organizations by their actions, not their beliefs. I also worry about people's tendencies to attack one another for their beliefs. This is dangerous and mean. I was hoping to remind everyone that free expression is a good thing, and that all people should have the right to freely gripe about whatever they want without fear of being flamed into silence.
Thanks, again, for the thoughtful replies.
-Laelth
Edit: Added the "Oscilating Big Bang" theory stuff.
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posted December 31, 2002 07:28 PM |
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-The big bang theory is scientific fact. Stephen Hawking proved it in the late 60s. The previously-dominant "steady-state" theory was disproved. It really pissed off all those hard-core atheist scientists, too, to have to admit that the church was kinda right about there having been a "single moment of creation."
No, it isn't.
That's why it's called the Big Bang Theory.
It's the most popular theory in cosmology today, and it's supported by much circumstantial evidence. However, since it cannot be tested directly, it will forever remain a theory.
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Camelnor
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posted December 31, 2002 07:48 PM |
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Why are YOU posting here on this smaller community, where there are dozens of MUCH larger one's?
Just seems odd.
Well, duh, that's a stupid question lol. Im a Heroes of Might and Magic fanatic, and I make HoMM maps (see link in signature)
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Why do you fear the truth?
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I already said why it should be removed --- you already have an identical thread going. So this thread is a waste of space. Enough said. No need to get defensive as if I were attacking you.
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posted December 31, 2002 08:17 PM |
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OMG Doomsday
What the hell is the point of making such a thread...i mean, it's not like anyone cares about ur beleifs god damn, if we want to beleive in god and stuff leave us be and don't go around bit ching about it no offense or anything but GOD! all your threads are about religion! GET OVER IT!
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Laelth
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posted December 31, 2002 08:26 PM |
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LOL.
Hmm ... it seems that tolerance of other people's expression is very hard to foster.
-Laelth
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bizud
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posted December 31, 2002 09:04 PM |
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Tru dat, Laelth, tru dat.
I guess what we're really discussing is the definition of various terms. When one speaks of a theory as being fact, for example, the theory of evolution, what they are (whether they know it or not) tagging on at the end is "...assuming everything else we know is also true."
True enough, these things can't be proven...but you also can't prove that we aren't all in the matrix. You can't disprove it, either. That said, discussing it is a big waste of time.
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