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zilonite
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posted March 24, 2003 02:19 AM |
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Will there be another random map tourneys?
On present random template mapmasters tourneys just final games remain. What will be the future of those tourneys? Will there be any more random mapmasters tourneys? If yes, on which templates?
If anybody has some new info, i will be happy to hear about it.
Also - what u ppl think about random mapmaster tourneys, what they should look like?
My opinion is that present system is quite good way and i'm regretting that i didn't participate yet.
The best system for future in my opinion: two tourneys simulaneously, one on original 3do template, one on customed (preferably - on "Balance" template (and this choice has nothing to do with the fact that i'm the author of this template  ).
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Elephants commonly have a bad eyesight. Yet with their bulk this is not a major problem for them.
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midnight
Promising
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posted March 24, 2003 03:44 AM |
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there was a problem with participation rate being really poor (below 50% on panic), so dunno how keen the organisers to have 2 random tourneys at once, i'd expect 1 at the most.
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zilonite
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posted March 24, 2003 01:39 PM |
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there was a problem with participation rate being really poor (below 50% on panic), so dunno how keen the organisers to have 2 random tourneys at once, i'd expect 1 at the most.
At least one more person there will be 
Yet I think random mapmasters has great potential. Only very many ppl (like me couple of months ago) don't know how rmg.txt works. I know many random fans, who think that customed template is the same thing as customed map.
On my view, very good thing would be to post in ToH/MaH site a little info that in very simple words explains this business (with a starting point what template is at all). Good background of this info could be threads from "waitin'for midnight".
Outcome could be something like Pandora did in bastard site, only may be a bit simplier and with an intend to stimulate ppl participate in tourney.
Only problem - who has a time to do it? I'm rdy to help with this, but my english is not so perfect
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Elephants commonly have a bad eyesight. Yet with their bulk this is not a major problem for them.
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted March 24, 2003 09:12 PM |
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Yes there will be another Random map tournament comming soon. I ran this tournament on Myths and Heroes before, it is called Random Challange. Once Map Master is over and things are situated I can have it up and running. Just depends on the demands for it and such.
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zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted March 24, 2003 11:25 PM |
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Great! I fully support the idea and this thread could be the right place for all random fans to express they support, too
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ironmlh
Known Hero
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posted March 25, 2003 09:31 PM |
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Im in
Im in...but only for addicts style.
I have lost all ambition to join a Brackets style tourney..when my last 5 or 6 games i have had 4 passes..if not more. Should be called a passing bracket, those who have most patience wins...
But addicts..im in...
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midnight
Promising
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posted March 26, 2003 05:26 AM |
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i agree with ironmlh, i'm not gonna enter any more brackets tourneys, I gave it a fair go and had to push really hard to get any games, but addicts i'd have a go at. However, when that was last suggested in a thread, motor just called it tossing, so dunno what to expect in new format.
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rychenroller
Promising
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posted March 26, 2003 06:20 AM |
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If midnights new templates are well distibuted, the non-random players will realize how much they take away the gripes that people have with randoms. If the non random players give some of these templates a go, it will obviously increase the size of the tourney, the key to success.
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zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2003 08:39 AM |
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If midnights new templates are well distibuted, the non-random players will realize how much they take away the gripes that people have with randoms. If the non random players give some of these templates a go, it will obviously increase the size of the tourney, the key to success.
Exactly my thoughts! The prombel of low participation could be solved only by explaining and explaining of new possibilities of rmg.txt!
I know many ppl, who still think that random maps could be only something very unbalanced. And many more who think that templates are the same as maps.
May be we all together can preper some info material in very simply words about rmg.txt and link to that material could be posted on ToH/MaH main page?
P.S. And fair chance should be given not only to midnight templates
(yet, of course, he is the Master Random, i agree)
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zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2003 08:55 AM |
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Possible formula for random map tourney
I've heard that once there was a tourney in ToH, where top 30 players played with each other. May be we can make something like this for random maps tourney (not limiting it to top 30, but keeping the idea "everyone plays with everyone")? Sort of a "Random map championship"...
I think such a tourney could be really interesting and challanging.
Of course, the problem with not-active participants will be even greater then in bracket styled tourney. Yet may be we can limit the number of participants or to interpose some preconditions for participation (in order to limit the tourney only to those ppl who really will play the games)?
Or this is utopia i'm talking about? What u ppl think?
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
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posted March 26, 2003 04:41 PM |
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i agree with ironmlh, i'm not gonna enter any more brackets tourneys, I gave it a fair go and had to push really hard to get any games, but addicts i'd have a go at. However, when that was last suggested in a thread, motor just called it tossing, so dunno what to expect in new format.
so you want "mapmasters" to bcome a addicts touney ? yep this is tossing for me. you are not the master of a map just becasue you pla it 24/7. mapmasters will stay bracketstyle.
of course bracketstyle will allways have a high number of passes and fporfeit. thats how it is and howit allways will be.
but bracketstyle still is more of a challenge than addicts.
every avrage player can win a addict style tourney - but try this over 5 rounds in a knockout tourney....
Bracketschaaf
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rychenroller
Promising
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posted March 26, 2003 08:00 PM |
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So motor, if 90% of the people said they wanted addicts style, opposed to 10% wanted to leave it in brackets, you wouldnt change it?
Well this is tossing for me.
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zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2003 08:22 PM |
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so you want "mapmasters" to bcome a addicts touney ? yep this is tossing for me. you are not the master of a map just becasue you pla it 24/7. mapmasters will stay bracketstyle.
To Motor:
Do u have any news about new random mapmaster tourney? When it will start and which template?
*in the background small horde of about 77 elephants chant the name of the template: "Balance, Balance, Balance, Balance..."  *
To all folk near and far:
Really no comments about this "everyone plays with everyone tourney"? Hmm, then i guess its really crazy thought...
May be least somebody can tell me, did there ever was this top 30 players tourney where all players played with each other?
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
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posted March 26, 2003 10:31 PM |
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So motor, if 90% of the people said they wanted addicts style, opposed to 10% wanted to leave it in brackets, you wouldnt change it?
no i wouldn't. mapmasters idea is to find out who is the best on a map . and not who can play it more often than others.
there are tons of addics tourneys allways around. the main ranking itself is also a kind of addict tourney.
so guys who like addcits cant complain IMO that they have no playground
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted March 26, 2003 10:53 PM |
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Do u have any news about new random mapmaster tourney? When it will start and which template?
registration will start this weekend and last 1 week. keep ur eyes and ears open
templateschaaf
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted March 26, 2003 10:57 PM |
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Soooo...you are saying that as long as there are 4 people in the tourney, its a true test of the map? lol
What do I care, I aint playing anyway.
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midnight
Promising
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posted March 27, 2003 03:42 AM |
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but bracketstyle still is more of a challenge than addicts.
every avrage player can win a addict style tourney - but try this over 5 rounds in a knockout tourney....
Then make it work! There were so many passes that one player i was allocated to in the semis of Ring tourney had not played a game, 2 wins required to win tourney!
So in theory, brackets looks good, but in practice it isnt working the way you say it is.
Also from an operational point of view, the updates r not quick enuf, often not enough time to organise game on the first weekend. One game I only had 6 days to play game from time matchup was posted (i was checking twice per day).
IMO registering is too easy, doesnt require any commitment. I suggest 50 pts to enter, or some similar commitment, which goes into a prize pool, or gets refunded when you play your first round game.
Free passes handed out like lollies at a kiddies birthday r just a bandaid that covers up the problems.
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ironmlh
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posted March 27, 2003 04:59 AM |
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What he said
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but bracketstyle still is more of a challenge than addicts.
every avrage player can win a addict style tourney - but try this over 5 rounds in a knockout tourney....
Then make it work! There were so many passes that one player i was allocated to in the semis of Ring tourney had not played a game, 2 wins required to win tourney!
So in theory, brackets looks good, but in practice it isnt working the way you say it is.
Also from an operational point of view, the updates r not quick enuf, often not enough time to organise game on the first weekend. One game I only had 6 days to play game from time matchup was posted (i was checking twice per day).
IMO registering is too easy, doesnt require any commitment. I suggest 50 pts to enter, or some similar commitment, which goes into a prize pool, or gets refunded when you play your first round game.
Free passes handed out like lollies at a kiddies birthday r just a bandaid that covers up the problems.
Very valid and worthwhile points Midnight...having a sign-up fee of 50...(hell i say make it 100)..if your gonna play the point issue will be a moot point.
Alowing the players to get back there pnts after actually participating instead of engaging in an email battle..
Now theres a thought....hope something like this happens, if so i may join up MM again. Hell i would be willing to give up ALL my points if i dont play. Basic point we are all trying to make is ..if you sign up PLAY!!...
Hope we can all meet somewhere in the middle of this rocky road.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 27, 2003 05:06 AM |
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WHen playing brackets you should look at the registration to see whos actually active & whos on all the time like zone etc.
You let anyone join theres a possibility they wont show up.
Only way brackets would work is if the leaders here can take extra steps to insure us that they will play thier game & check out the houner if it's high.
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zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted March 27, 2003 08:04 AM |
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IMO registering is too easy, doesnt require any commitment. I suggest 50 pts to enter, or some similar commitment, which goes into a prize pool, or gets refunded when you play your first round game.
Only thing that i can say - briliant idea!
May be the best way would be that half of those "entrance points" (lets say 25) go into to prize pool for first three places and second half (25) gets refunded after round one.
If all points will go to prize pool, then a bit weaker players may be not interested in participation.
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