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lovedoc
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posted April 01, 2003 03:33 PM |
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THE ULTIMATE ARTIFACT!
O.K...This one was a bit tricky, but I thought, what the hell: Letīs be apocalyptic...
All the "regular" combination Artifacts from HoMM Complete (RoE + AB + SoD) could be combined to create "The Ultimate Artifact"...
Meaning?
Being in possession of all the combination artifacts would enable you to combine them to "The Ultimate Artifact" making you some kind of invicible superbeast that would be almost unbeatable.
The effects: (after the artifacts have been merged and applied [all hero artifact slots would be filled an youīd get an improved version of your spellbook] )
99 on all primary skills,
having all possible secondary skills (needs tweaking),
gaining 100k gold/day,
+300 % max. movement points,
unlimited mana,
spells effect/damage increased by x2,
all lvl 7, 6 and 5 creautures become lvl 8 (free),
This would make a single hero one HUGE powerhouse that would be almost (ALMOST) unbeatable with one exception...
On the LAST DAY OF EACH MONTH (Day 7, Week 4, Month X) the hero would loose all his benefits for one day, making it possible to possibly eliminate him/her then. However, the hero doing so would die too, never coming back and the Ultimate Artifact could never be reassembled (doing this would also gain the hero (team) that did it enourmous amounts of points, but so would finding and building it!)
Kind of apocalyptic, eh? Thought, comments and suggestions, please...
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Treupp
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 01, 2003 07:08 PM |
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Too powerful. Even the increase of "vulnerable" days wouldn't help. Besides, you'd spend too much time of looking parts of this hyper R-T-Fact 
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted April 01, 2003 09:00 PM |
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Sick. Just sick.
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ByteBandit
Promising
Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
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posted April 01, 2003 10:54 PM |
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Nice idea, but I think it's too powerful. Hard to destroy an AI opponent if it ever got it's hands on it.
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Jakester
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2003 12:48 AM |
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Ultimate Artifact
Cool. However there are too many inherent problems. First, it would be almost impossible to assemble. An enemy would almost certainly gain a number of the artifacts needed for assembly. Second, if you were able to get it assembled, you'd be so near the end of the map that you'd probably already be in mop up mode, just finishing off a map you'd already won. In this way it's like the grail, usually by the time you find it you've already won the game and are in the process of cleaning up stray enemies.
Now, that being said, some ways you could get it is through defeating a Dragon Utopia or completing a quest. However, if one of you're enemies gets it first, you're doomed.
In fact there is already an unbalancing combo artifact in the game, Cloak of the Undead King. If you get that early you can quickly become overpowering and, by distributing you're liches, enable your other heroes to become unbeatable to. By far my favorite artifact.
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ByteBandit
Promising
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Soul Merchant
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posted April 02, 2003 03:31 AM |
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I think for a good balancing combo artifact for Cloak of the Undead King is Armor of the Damned.
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Lovedoc
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2003 09:38 AM |
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Well thatīs basically what I said...
The fact that it would indeed be IMPOSSIBLE to get on any NORMAL (not referring to size) map is the big idea.
This scenario would probably never occur, BUT...
It would be cool to have as an OPTION and to make campaigns or perhaps even single maps focusing on destroying or finding the ULTIMATE ARTIFACT.
It would also, more than ever, enable all LoTR fans to create something that would be close to the real deal, I know it seems overpowered (and hell...it is!) but as stated before, WHY THE HELL NOT?!
Options people, options...
Personally I think it would be fun to know that there would actually be a possibility to do so if one would be able to find the necessary components, but in 1 cases of 100, it wonīt happen and thatīs basically the idea.
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Jakester
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2003 08:06 PM |
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Quote:
I think for a good balancing combo artifact for Cloak of the Undead King is Armor of the Damned.
Actually I think the Angelic Alliance is better. With Armor of the Damned the Curse and the decrease morale spell (can't remember what it's called)don't work on the undead so the impact is lessened.
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ByteBandit
Promising
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Soul Merchant
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posted April 02, 2003 08:44 PM |
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Yes, I agree to a point. The major thing is that it slows them down and weakens them, allowing you to get the first strike in and do a lot of potential damage to the large stack created by the Cloak.
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Odvin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2003 10:01 PM |
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If I understood you properly, you want to combine all standard SoD combo artifacts into one mega-hyper-powerful ultimate artifact. Well, you see, if a player posessess at least two combo artifact (not a combination of Ring of the Magi and Admiral's Hat though  ), it in 99% cases means immediate victory (if the enemy doesn't have the same, of course). So the ultimate artifact would become completely useless. Furthermore, there are even some technical problems: no hero can equip all the combo artifacts at the same time.
Once again, sorry if I misunderstood you.
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Arstahd
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 03:36 AM |
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Quote:
If I understood you properly, you want to combine all standard SoD combo artifacts into one mega-hyper-powerful ultimate artifact. Well, you see, if a player posessess at least two combo artifact (not a combination of Ring of the Magi and Admiral's Hat though ), it in 99% cases means immediate victory (if the enemy doesn't have the same, of course). So the ultimate artifact would become completely useless. Furthermore, there are even some technical problems: no hero can equip all the combo artifacts at the same time.
Once again, sorry if I misunderstood you.
Exactly, there's no real point since a) you'll never get all of the parts and b) even if you have just a few, you're gonna win anyway.
Anyway if you just want it for a special map it would be relatively simple to write a script that would give those bonuses to a hero that had all combo art's in his backpack (since equiping even two can be hard). The map can then hand out the combo art's like candy and be extremely difficult to compensate.
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lovedoc
Hired Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 09:12 AM |
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I think your arguments are a bit circular...
Someone said: If you find one or two of the combination artifacts you will probably win. True, with the reservation that other players might have some as well.
Someone said: Combinating all the combination artifacts will not be possible. I really donīt see how this would require much more script and sh!t than anything else. Perhaps a ritual, a new map location (unholy shrine, altar of doom or whatever) where you could gather all your heroes (perhaps even sarcrifice some of them) in order to make this thing work.
Someone said: Whatīs the point with this artifact? I previously stated: "It would be a cool OPTION". Iīm asking you all now: Why the hell not? Please, no more "itīs too hard, itīs too powerful and yadayadayada", try to expand your minds to that extent that there actually would be a need for a super-mega-with-cherry-and-several-christmas-trees-on-top-artifact in some scenarious, quests or campaigns, albeit very few...
Iīm not asking you to APPROVE of this idea, but at least give it a fair chance.
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ByteBandit
Promising
Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
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posted April 03, 2003 09:43 AM |
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I'm sorry that you feel bitter for people voicing their opinion on THE ULIMATE ARTIFACT. I suggest that if you WANT the ULTIMATE ARTIFACT, why not write a script up for it and there you go?
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lovedoc
Hired Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 12:35 PM |
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Iīm not bitter...
I think people should have any opinion they want, BUT, I also think that they could try to be flexible...
The attitude right now is: NEVER! IT CANNOT BE DONE! TO HARD TO IMPLEMENT! WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO AQUIRE IT etc. etc.
All I asked was that they could try to visulise a scenario where the ULTIMATE ARTIFACT actually could fill a purpose and be used.
I really donīt think that is asking too much...
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Odvin
Promising
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posted April 03, 2003 01:55 PM |
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It perhaps really could be done; the point is not that the people think it's too difficult. Maybe they simply have some better ideas to implement in the game than that ultimate artifact? Haven't you thought about it? And if you think it SHOULD be done, then you can really make it. We don't mind at all... hey, people, do we mind? 
It's just like saying: "Let's make a campaign that has no storyline and is impossible to complete, just to make an option for the players?" That's my opinion.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted April 03, 2003 04:26 PM |
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Yeah. We don't mind if you add such a thing to a map of yours via ERM scripting. Who knows? Maybe we'll even like the idea once we actually see it in the game?
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Arstahd
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 03, 2003 10:20 PM |
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The point that I was trying to get across was that there is very little reward for the effort involved in making this work. I think I can speak for the rest of the WoG team when I say that there are more worthwhile ideas to pursue. Even if it could be done solely via ERM (and not require Slava, our only programmer, to implement new code) it would still take up precious time from our scripters and bug testers that could be better spent on more usefull additions.
That said, I encourage you to learn ERM and have a go at it yourself. That's what I love most about WoG, if there's something that I don't like or that I feel is missing I can try to fix it. ERM can seem intimidating at first, but it's rather simple once you get the hang of it. There are a number or tutorial threads on the oficial forum including an excellent "ERM for dummies" thread by Qurqirish Dragon. If you have trouble there is almost always someone willing to help out.
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lovedoc
Hired Hero
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posted April 04, 2003 11:10 AM |
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O.K...
Well I donīt know anything about programming in WoG, but I do like passing around ideas. If none of you guys and gals seem to like the idea itīs apparently not a particulary good one, but I just thought it would be a cool option for all those seeking to create LoTR-type scenarious or something where the one possessing the artifact would be virtually unbeatable...
Oh well, just my two cents anyway. Thanks for the input.
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ByteBandit
Promising
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Soul Merchant
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posted April 04, 2003 11:39 AM |
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Hey Lovedoc, It's good to have ideas, that's how things get created. :-) And the ultimate artifact is, at best, an interesting idea. But kinda unconventional. I'm not dissing your idea in any way. I don't think anyone here is or was. It would be great if you get it, but divastating if the AI did. And the AI tries it's hardest at least to get whatever it can get it's greedy hands on. As an artifact to complete a campaign or a map, you would have to consider not putting Dragon Utopias on a map, as that will surely generate this artifact. It could be scripted, I'm sure, but think of the consequences if something so powerful fell into the wrong hands.....:-)......
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Gangrail
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Dead Man
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posted April 04, 2003 07:29 PM |
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Have no fear there is already an artifact being made for LOTR people. Kitten has made the graphics already and WoG 3.58 should have it in it so you LOTR fans will have an artifact to play with script and all.
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