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AndiAngelsla...
Disgraceful
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posted May 21, 2003 03:55 PM |
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Andi is talking like he had even played H4! Which in fact he hasn't, whereas his opinion doesn't mean squit.
I have no doubt that Heroes 4 has more strategic depth than H3 ever had.
do you have spy war installed on my Comp Thundertosser? Must be, coz i played h4 the first days i got it...
more strategic depth you say, ill explain why it looks to you that way: you sucked in h3, now quick to h4 (you prolly still dont play online coz you too bwaaak) - h4 is the easier game, you finally get something done, woohooo strategic depth everywhere 
H4 has a LOT stratgeic depth, you needa be good to run around with a unbeatable barbarian, or to kill something with vamps you get for free lol...
or hey, 2 heroes you needa manage + 1 every week (if i remember it right, damn thats a lot!
H4 sux, even the producers admit it, and some day all you blinded tossers will realize it too - at latest when h5 comes out
btw some things never change, i bet some players are still the chickens they were in h3, no doubt actually when i look at the ranking
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted May 21, 2003 05:25 PM |
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worse thing a man can have is,
no awareness of his ignorance and no respect for the uknown.
no converse plz.
:back to twillight zone you ugly beasts
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted May 21, 2003 06:08 PM |
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Sigh. Andi you are as ignorant as ever, which your comments show. I never sucked in H3.
Go and practice some more H4, you might even become aware of your ignorance.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted May 21, 2003 08:20 PM |
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This argument will always go on, but if anyone cares for my opinion, I am a big fan of both homm3 and homm4, hence why I take care of both for ToH.
After playing enough multiplayer on both, there truly is more strategic depth with homm4. HOWEVER, there is also more 'pattern strategy' in homm4 which misleads homm3 fans like andiangelslayer to say there is less strategic depth.
Strategic Depth: Far more options and methods in gameplay both on combat and adventure screen in homm4. (Going back to homm3 it felt like your options & movement was so limited and basic -- that pretty much tells you of its limitations)
Pattern Strategy: The Barbarian Rush, GM Necro, Immortality potions, etc... a lot more of it in homm4, and that is its unfortunate weakness, and it DOES come because of weaker balancing/playtesting.
But homm4 is a far more involved game with so many more options!
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haile73
Promising
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posted May 22, 2003 12:08 AM |
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well, I'm always curious to learn. Please tell me about all those strategic options you are mentionning all the time. When I browse through the forums, the "deepest" strategy threads I find are about questions like "Golems or Magi?".
From my limited experience, what I like best about H4 is the decision to choose how many and what kind of main heroes you want to build. This really is a strategic improvement imo. The rest is just knowing when to attack what. Specialize in a few maps and you'll move up the rankings (the last part also worked in H3 lol)
But all you veterans can enlighten me now and share your insights 
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zud
Promising
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posted May 22, 2003 12:34 AM |
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H4 what I enjoy
I guess what I enjoy most is the Building of Towns and Buiding my heroes the most.
there are many more "gotcha's" in H4 than H3, making it have many more "killer techniques" than H3 had. the big barb or death for 2 main examples.
but the hero development and differentation from H3 is what I like most. Having to learn certain magic schools to use spells. Building a Tactician to amplify my creatures strength. My beloved Ranger for Combat and Patfinding. This IMHO is where H4 is so much stronger than H3.
But to each their own. I love H3 very much, but I havnt played it in many months. I have a lot of fun playin H4.
It was not fun in single player, also map design is much more important than h3. (this is how barb rush is avoided usually) good maps.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted May 22, 2003 12:41 AM |
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haile said:Quote:
But all you veterans can enlighten me now and share your insights
its 5$ per hour haile
or search your way playing.
btw, not very gentlemenish of H3 players, coming to our front door and calling us morons, for playing this game.
i guess you'll never know,let it be it.
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salpinx
Hired Hero
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posted May 22, 2003 02:10 AM |
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Is it me or did JVC sound like a complete dolt? The only reason he sounded half-way intelligent at all was because the interviewer sounded like he was operating on a sub-100 IQ and stoned to boot.
I usually try to avoid being negative but everything about that interview was pathetic. I can't imagine H5 turning out any better than H4 now....
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haile73
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 22, 2003 08:46 AM |
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or search your way playing.
believe it or not, I've played this game more than most would thing (no not the campaigns ). Still I'd have a lot to learn, but that won't happen, since I don't wanna spend much time for long matches in a game I don't find addictive. Considering playing activity, I'm not the only one who sees it like this.
On a side note, even IF HoMM 4 had more strategic options (which hasn't been shown yet), it wouldn't make it the better game automatically. I remember those Napolean-round-based-Hexgames with tons of options, but they forgot to implement some fun hehe.
But like Zud said, everyone should play what they like best. Let's hope H5 will unite us 
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted May 22, 2003 10:38 AM |
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i thought we had an agreement haile...
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jb239
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posted May 22, 2003 07:08 PM |
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Hopefully H5 takes the best elements of H4 and H3
I played H3 wayyyy longer than I did H4, but I still liked H4 overall, except 3 things that kept me from playing it even as close to as much as I did H3 (aside from the fact I got less time cause of personal life, work, etc )
1) I hated gamespy...not sure why, but I loved MSN Zone, and even when i didnt play games id go there to chat. I didnt even wanna go to gamespy to find games
2) Data transfer killed me. with less time available, i wanted the game itself to last longer, not due to data transfers
3)The hero system. I didnt like how if you had 2 barbarians they basically looked the same...sure itd be harder to hand craft each hero for the battlefield, but if they felt more individual, and perhaps had a specialty or 2 itd make it more interesting
I still dont think H4 is a terrible game, but it didnt have the same impact as H3 did
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Blue_Camel
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posted May 22, 2003 08:48 PM |
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and perhaps had a specialty or 2 itd make it more interesting
well heroes in h4 are a hell of a lot more unique than h3 heroes. in h3 high level heroes were all almost exactly the same except for their little specialty. And usually the specialty was either way too good or really terrible, i.e. dessa was rapist with logistics, but then there was serena with eagle eye.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 22, 2003 10:04 PM |
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Yes I agree Camel. EVERY H3 game you seen same heroes. Hack-Tazar-Dessa-Kyrre-Soly-Jeddite-Alamar, my point was H3 became the same 10 maps and same 10 heroes EVERY game, tell me that isnt limiting. =)
But if ya really think about it besides the specialties of them 10 heroes, all of them would always take the same 8 skills so basically they were the same also. Offense-Armour-Logistics-EarthMagic-AirMagic etc. lol
I am curious how H5 will work with NO heroes on field, be kinda like regressing a bit. As long as they dont bring the stupid chaining back. =P
Jinxer
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Blue_Camel
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posted May 22, 2003 10:09 PM |
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well hopefully armies will still be allowed to move without heroes.. although it seems that you will once again need to keep at least 1 creature with your hero at all times
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 23, 2003 04:14 AM |
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You know Camel you should get that avatar with the real Blue Camel on it I think I seen someone with it awhile back hehe.
Makes you look more manly then with a hairless avatar like Fiur hehe makes you just look more femenime  yes no?
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
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banned
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posted May 23, 2003 06:20 AM |
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okies, here goes:
@Thunder: You sucked at heroes3, any n00b can write battles how they should turn out on paper. If you wanna learn..play the game, not write it.
Dont feel to bad though, i still rate you as "the king of singleplayer"
@Ves: IMO the movement in heroes is not limited, simply because of chaining and all its possibilities. How you use chaining IMO is something that seperate many good players from less good ones.
The only "limited" movement i can think of is battlefield, but then i like that alot. Your battle skills in heroes3 and how you use your creatures is another thing that could win a game for you even if opponent seem to be the stronger one at beginning of fight.
@insatiable: you are a moron.
@Haile: well said
@Jb: good points, the one about moving the chat from zone to GS seems to be a terrible choice.
@Blue_Camel: no, simple because certain heroes cant learn certain skills and are more likely to learn some skills than others. Also heroes speciality was something that seperated each hero. No hero in H3 is like another.
@Jinxer: you are still the best whiner, congrats
@Acu: you still makes as much "sense" as usual
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted May 23, 2003 07:20 AM |
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You know Camel you should get that avatar with the real Blue Camel on it I think I seen someone with it awhile back hehe.
Makes you look more manly then with a hairless avatar like Fiur hehe makes you just look more femenime yes no?
i had other name "camelnor" but people got confused so i made the blue camel name so that i was known as blue camel everywhere.. but then valeriy said i can't upload another avatar (the blue camel one) so now im stuck with this one  mean val
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted May 23, 2003 12:31 PM |
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okies, here goes:
@Thunder: You sucked at heroes3, any n00b can write battles how they should turn out on paper. If you wanna learn..play the game, not write it.
Dont feel to bad though, i still rate you as "the king of singleplayer"
Too bad you never had "time" to play the game you challenged me to, even though I several times tried to arrange it for us. Which only shows that you're only jesting and wasting time of others. Pity, now you are likely never going to find how good player I am. Take your immature annoyance elsewhere.
I agree with Blue Camel that heroes are more different in H4 than in H3. However, it would be better if they had specialties as well (but not like those in H3). Different specialties for different races (like Minotaur heroes would have good morale) would be good too.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted May 23, 2003 07:25 PM |
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uh-oh, the HC's IQ level dropped since sir_stiven entered the room, it has gone into negative
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted May 24, 2003 12:01 AM |
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lol all this fighting heroes battles on paper has gotten you alittle coocoo thunder?
Facts are you chickened out every time i challenged you and only games i remember you challenging me at was chess?
Hmmm maybe i was alittle unclear in my first post: we are discussing the heroes of might and magic games here
@Pedicyrica: yeah i know, dont feel bad though... im sure youll be passing 4st grade this time pedy...afterall you must have learned something from your previous 7 attempts?
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