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Kittenangel
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Lee's wifey
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posted June 21, 2003 06:52 AM |
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Flux is a part of heroes and it needs to be involved IMNSHO
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Attila
Known Hero
Young Warrior
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posted June 21, 2003 05:10 PM |
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Flux is a part of heroes and it needs to be involved IMNSHO
i agree kitten it is fun and needs played but i also think that it is to strong compared to other towns. What about a Conflux Tourement? Where players play with conflux? Just an idea.
Attila
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 21, 2003 10:25 PM |
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If you want Conflux, then design it properly within the system.
Here is a VERY rough example of what I mean. I admit I dunno what any bonuses or anything is, but Ill give an example that you can compare with how you are setting it up.
Stronghold Clan - Bonus - Start with Stronghold + 1 ancient behemoth.
Conflux Clan - Bonus - Start with Conflux + 5 air elementals OR (if person does not want to play vs conflux or does not have SOD) Random town + 50 Air Elementals.
Now the specifics are irrelevant, but the point is if they use Conflux they don't get many bonuses, but if they go random they get a greater bonus. This allows conflux to be used, but it also allows it not to be used if someone is strongly against it. then you can build bonuses around it to make things better. A solid system will make every clan type desirable and none supreme.
Point is..with well designed bonuses, conflux can easily be implemented.
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Divine_Master
Hired Hero
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posted June 21, 2003 10:44 PM |
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-------- JB239 --------
Stronghold Clan - Bonus - Start with Stronghold + 1 ancient behemoth.
Conflux Clan - Bonus - Start with Conflux + 5 air elementals
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I wonder why u say that..............?
i rather start without bonus if i had flux then,
u cant just say let othere clans start with 1-LVL7 creep and flux with 5 poor LVL2 creeps..........
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted June 22, 2003 01:36 AM |
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...i would like to see some "non-relating-to-town" clans like it was in the ves`s very well design clan season III.
Like there was rogues clans which could negate bonuses and stuff.
Bonuses shouldnt be too strong as then peeps get bonuses and then when they do have them noone plays them. The idea to give a bigger reward for peeps who play clan wars against already higher clan was also a very good idea.
Xarfax1
PS: Please dont give points for losses.
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 22, 2003 06:16 PM |
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Flux is a part of heroes and it needs to be involved IMNSHO
FLux is a toss in heroes and should kicked out IMNOSHOE 
As people has pointed out...there are to many "buts".
Id say like this, if it was for the fact that everyone had 4.0 and could play with flux... then it would be manageble even if i would still concider it a toss.
But now?
Nah you cant get a fair system here because nm how you twist it i have a feeling it will always be nicer to fight a conflux clan who has to use another random town (v1.4) and some extra elementals then the cfluxtoss town itself.
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2003 07:54 PM |
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-------- JB239 --------
Stronghold Clan - Bonus - Start with Stronghold + 1 ancient behemoth.
Conflux Clan - Bonus - Start with Conflux + 5 air elementals
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I wonder why u say that..............?
i rather start without bonus if i had flux then,
u cant just say let othere clans start with 1-LVL7 creep and flux with 5 poor LVL2 creeps..........
I told you not to take what I posted literally, and to take it as an example. My point was to balance everything, if 1 town is better than others, then give the others something to compensate. A well designed tourney will have lots of variety, but nothing too weak or powerful over the others.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2003 10:06 PM |
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conflux in clans would be the toss of the year. you can not demand from players who participate in toh to have SOD to join such a huge tourney and therefore NOONE can be forced to play vs. conflux.
if you make such a philo expect about 98% of the conflux phiolo games played with the substitue town...if not less.
and player facing such a philo in finals or so should simply say "sorry i have no SOD" - and if its just to avoid this piece of CENSORED town.
Ifthey got a bit of breains they will all come up with suchan excuse - i even admit i would do so lol
Motorschaaf
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted June 22, 2003 11:36 PM |
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learn to play the game instead of making sissy demands kitten
It was my opinion but oh wait forgot I am admin no opinion for me is allowed
Why do you insist on flux? I really do not understand why you want to shape and change rules for a sub-tournament that you will not take active part in. I could have understood your frustration if you were a player who played dozens of game.
As far as I see, you are the only one who is whining about "no-flux". Just let go.
You probably will play 1 or 2 games, and you want flux in for only a couple of games. Your being admin does not give you the right to act so capriciously.
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted June 23, 2003 05:46 AM |
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My point is Conflux is a part of heroes as much as people hate or just can't use it or whatever..... It should be involved in any tournament ran because it IS A PART OF HEROES III
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2003 08:08 AM |
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It should be involved in any tournament ran because it IS A PART OF HEROES III
its not. its a part of SOD/AB - not a part of Heroes 3. Period.
And even IF it would be a part of the basic Heroes 3 : why on earth should something that everyone beside you hates be involved ? makes no sense at all does it ?
lets face it 99% of al players dun want conflux in such a tourney. and the other 1% wont get the chance to play it in the tourney even if it would officially be possible. simply because the other 99% can easyily avoid playing versus it.
thismakesnosenseatallschaaf
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted June 23, 2003 08:15 AM |
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well like i said just my opinion
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 23, 2003 02:03 PM |
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so counting opinions 2 wants flux (kitten/jb) and the rest dont.
That should be reason enough for a "no" right?
What i would like to know though ravyn, is when clans kick off?
because i would like to participate it alot and i wanna know if its worth collecting up my 3 games now or if clans will be a part of next season?
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Kittenangel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted June 23, 2003 02:05 PM |
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Clans will more than likely be opening next season
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 23, 2003 02:15 PM |
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okies, then why is this season still running?
close it up and lets lock and loll.
one thing though.
If we are to mix players of different ranks, how would that work if we start a new season and most players will be footman/squires when clans kick off?
Someone mentioned a commitee of people who rates players into different classes, that might be a good idea.
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted June 25, 2003 06:26 PM |
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I had originally wanted to end this season with clans for exactly that reason Stiven. Then figured we'd maybe start out next season with Divisions but no one really wanted to extend the season (or shorten it for that matter). If it ends up, like it looks like it will, like it will be the start of next season, then perhaps we could use the end ranks from this season as a marker for the split up of clans and then have a few vets that know the other vets classify those of you that have not been very active into a level. The biggest hangup has been doing the bonuses and it's the only thing holding it up at the moment. Some of you have been VERY helpful and I appreciate all the input you have given me. In fact, someone even sent me a list of possible clan bonuses. I'm not going to tell you who, as they have asked to remain anonymous, but it IS a multi-season veteran. Here's the link, let me know what you think!
http://www.toheroes.com/myths/tourn/clans/List2.htm
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted June 25, 2003 07:22 PM |
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Hmmmm .... them bonuses are no good to random players.
But I guess that can't be helped right?@
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted June 25, 2003 07:32 PM |
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Those bonuses were set up by a basically non-random playing vet. If liked they would not have to be the only setups. I have stated many times that I would like someone that is an experienced random player to come up with a couple of sets of bonuses that would work for random players, so far no one has graced my email box.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted June 25, 2003 07:50 PM |
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LOL raven that is because a random map can;t have any bonuses me thinkx!@
Well perhaps the choice of heroe, but that would be tossing IMO.
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted June 25, 2003 08:03 PM |
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Sure they can!
1) Can have bonuses that negate others bonuses.
2) Can have bonuses involving map choices, color choices, etc.
3) We have an RMG text file, wouldn't there be a way to edit it in small ways to the advantage of the random clan player?
Might make it a little difficult for random clan players to get games with non-random players, but you are going to have that anyway, just because of the differences in preference. If we could get a variety of ideas, good for random players, then we could get more then one random based clan so there are more opponents. Just a thought.
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